Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - Part 19

[Marvolo]

That isn't the point. The idea that Sansa would kill a Stark is ridiculous, as is the idea of her getting pregnant by a Bolton. So they either have her knocked up by Ramsay, and have a kid she shouldn't have. Or she aborts a baby, and does something no Stark would likely do. Not even Mr. Shock himself would do that. When you do something GRRM would probably shake his head to, its probably not a good idea.

And you act like this was the only possible way for her story to go, when in fact this is not where her story should be. I get change, I support most of them. Not when it fundamentally changes the character's arc.

I've seen nothing in the show that leads me to believe that Sansa wouldnt abort a baby put in her by Ramsay or that Starks are somehow morally opposed of abortion. Her child might have Stark blood in it, but it would carry the Bolton name, which would disgust any Stark so honestly I have zero problem believing a Stark would abort it. I doubt that they all are honorable to a fault like dear ol dead Ned.

As for where her story should be, it seems that the story and major players are going to be converging on the North so this may be exactly where her story is supposed to be for the ending D&D have planned. I'm sure D&D have a reason for taking her story in this direction. And imo something bad involving Sansa shaking Theon out of his apathy is more compelling thann something involving some character we don't care about it.

 

[Loki882]

So in order for Theon to "snap out of it," he had to witness Sansa being raped on her wedding night, by the same man who tortured him no less. Yeah that problematic on a whole other level as it makes it more about him. And that's not how you do a rape plot-line either.

 

[TheFuture]

That ending was worse than any previous violence (sexual or otherwise).

And they didn't even have to show it happen. ****ing hell.

 

[Marvolo]

Bronn cut himself this Ep. I wonder if [blackout] It was a poisoned weapon like Oberyn preferred. [/blackout]

****.

 

[Tyrell Wellick]

Spoiler

Yes Dany's nephew Aegon VI. He has a role in ADWD (the fifth book). Honestly I don't know if he's even going to appear on the show. They might "simplify" things by combining his arc with Dany's.

Spoiler

So it means, we wont see the character ?

 

[Marvolo]

So in order for Theon to "snap out of it," he had to witness Sansa being raped on her wedding night, by the same man who tortured him no less. Yeah that problematic on a whole other level as it makes it more about him. And that's not how you do a rape plot-line either.

Have to? No. But I like Sansa and Theon's motivations and stories being tied together so closely. Your viewing this in a vacuum of just this one scene. I'm sure beyond the scene it will be just as much about Sansa overcoming this and having her revenge.

Y'all may not like it but I think it's pretty easy to see why the show went this way. We've seen Ramsay do awful depraved things so him doing one more depraved thing to some no name character is just Ramsay being Ramsay. This way Theon's motivation and this particular action of Ramsay's involved someone we actually know, have invested in, and give a crap about.

 

[Greens]

And that's not how you do a rape plot-line either.

What does the Rape Plot-Line guidebook say?

 

[SuperT]

I'm just tired of these writers using rape as a plot device to further female characters story arcs. It's such a played out writing technique, you'd think they were smarter than that, but yet, here we are again.

 

[Loki882]

What does the Rape Plot-Line guidebook say?

Make it about HER. HER reaction, HER struggle, HER thoughts/feeling, HER development. That's the only way to truly make a plot like this work, and even then it's a crap-shoot.

And the fact that the writers KEEP resorting to this lazy trope, is just sad. And the fact that the clearly didn't learn their lesson from the Jamie/Cersei fiasco last season, is even more so.

 

[Loki882]

Spoiler

So it means, we wont see the character ?

Spoiler

I don't know if we'll see him or not. I'm just speculated based on available evidence.

 

[Greens]

Uhh.. I heard her reaction just fine. She was screaming. And she cried after Ramsay ordered her to take off her clothes. I think her thoughts were... "****, I'm getting raped"

You can do two things at the same time. Theon snaps out of it (possibly) and Sansa is scarred for life... again.

 

[Loki882]

I'm just tired of these writers using rape as a plot device to further female characters story arcs. It's such a played out writing technique, you'd think they were smarter than that, but yet, here we are again.

Agreed. And they take it even further by using it to further MALE character's story arcs, which is even more problematic. Tryion and Oberyn come to mind right away.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I found it to be an unnecessary change from the books.

 

[SuperT]

Agreed. And they take it even further by using it to further MALE character's story arcs, which is even more problematic. Tryion and Oberyn come to mind right away.

Exactly. They made that entire scene all about Theon and will most certainly use it as a way to empower him to seek out revenge against Ramsay. Who cares about Sansa.

Great job, taking a female characters rape and making it all about a man and his story arc. Terrible.

 

[Greens]

Those damn men, stealing all the story arcs! Especially the rape ones.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I'm just tired of these writers using rape as a plot device to further female characters story arcs. It's such a played out writing technique, you'd think they were smarter than that, but yet, here we are again.

Yeah, it was unnecessary.

 

[Reek]

theres still some torture for theon coming... but hes theon again now...

 

[Roose Bolton]

You think Sansa cares what happens to Theon?

 

[Reek]

I don't understand what everyone's griping about. What did you think Ramsay was going to do? Wine and dine her? Lay down some rose pedals?

I feel like some of you are forgetting the world we are watching and comparing it to ours.

Don't forget... Drogo tore up Dany's ass. But it was OK because Drogo turned out awesome.

I mean... it's rape, i know... but its not as if Ramsay did something not normal and expected at a bedding lol. Had Tyrion not loved Shae, he would have ****ed Sansa. No doubt.

 

[killface]

D&D should switch things up and have a male character get raped.

That way, a female character's arc could progress.

 

[Reek]

 

[Reek]

D&D should switch things up and have a male character get raped.

I can name a few...

Victarion
Euron
Barristan
Probably Podrick

 

[dude stannis]

Theon spent two years reliving the entire Saw series. But he didn't get penetrated, so it was ok.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can name a few...

Victarion
Euron
Barristan
Probably Podrick

how could you forget Aeron "I need an adult" Greyjoy? They could have mined the child molestation angle

 

[Loki882]

I don't understand what everyone's griping about. What did you think Ramsay was going to do? Wine and dine her? Lay down some rose pedals?

I feel like some of you are forgetting the world we are watching and comparing it to ours.

Don't forget... Drogo tore up Dany's ass. But it was OK because Drogo turned out awesome.

I mean... it's rape, i know... but its not as if Ramsay did something not normal and expected at a bedding lol. Had Tyrion not loved Shae, he would have ****ed Sansa. No doubt.

No we're annoyed that the writers felt the need to completely alter her storyline in the name of yet another rape scene (they already did that with Jamie/Cersei and they added the whole Craster's rape dungeon, so there's a trend here). That's the ONLY thing that they could think to do with her character, perhaps the most cheap, annoying, lazy, and overuse cliché in all of fiction. They couldn't think of ANYTHING else to do with her character, they have that little creativity. And it's also pointless because EVERYTHING that may come of this could have happened without it.

-Ramsay's a sadistic a-hole-We already knew that.
-Life for women in Westeros sucks-We already knew that.
-Theon needs to break out of this funk that he's in-Well if THIS is what does it, then that's even more problematic.
-Sansa needs to "grow" as a character-So the only way that they could think to do that is via rape. And not, oh IDK, any of the other horrible crap that she's gone through, her entire character thus far seems to be about being abused/degraded. WOW, bravo there writers, bravo. Real freaking original, truly you are the masters of subtlety.

Oh and people DID complain about the Dany/Khal Drogo thing btw.