Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - Part 20

[Infinity9999x]

Not to mention the even stronger evidence being that Melisandre just got back to the wall literally a few hours before the shanking. That to me is more indicative than anything else.

Yeah. This is one of the biggest things for me. Having her come back otherwise would make almost no sense.

 

[Reek]

Im not saying the eye color change meant a damn thing.... Im fully confident Jon is dead right there and Mel brings him back... but .... His eyes certainly change color. Theres no doubt about it.

 

[Reek]

its like another D&D troll job.

 

[Marvolo]

but jons eyes have never been that color before lol

Like I said I don't think it's a case of his eyes actually changing color. I think it's a case of how the camera is capturing the light of the shot as the camera pulls in towards his face. Contrast and gamma and white and blacks and how a camera captures light can make colors appear to shift and fluctuate. And human eye color can look different under various lights and contrasted with various colors. My eyes are greenish blue. Depending on the light and what I'm wearing they either appear more blue or more green.

I think if they were going to actually have his eyes change colors due to some sort of magic they would have just went white or blue as opposed to turning another shade of brown as his pupils dilated due to death. A lighter shade of brown doesn't really point to anything and it's such a vague change that it seems so pointless.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Like I said I don't think it's a case of his eyes changing color. I think it's a case of how the camera is capturing the light of the shot as the camer pulls in towards his face. Contrast and gamma and white and blacks and how a camera captures light can make colors appear to shift and fluctuate.

I think if they were going to actually have his eyes change colors due to some sort of magic they would have just went white or blue as opposed to turning another shade of brown as his pupils dilated due to death. A lighter shade of brown doesn't really point to anything and it's such a vague change that it seems so pointless.

Exactly. The white balance a camera has on a certain shot can change the color drastically, or just the lighting in general. Heck, people with certain color eyes have been known to change color naturally. Gray eyed and hazel eyed people have a reputation for having "chameleon eyes" because their eyes will occasionally shift color depending on what they're wearing. Now, this is really just the eye's tendency to reflect the colors around it, and not the eye actually changing color, but still.

Anywho, point being, if they wanted to make it a definite stinger, they would have given him warg eyes. They didn't. As I said before, and as Marv is saying above, that either means they want to save that surprise for next season, or Jon really is deadski.

 

[ThePhantasm]

 

[stillanerd]

Even tho I don't think the eye thing is indicative of anything to do with his resurrection I do think he is coming back so don't let me ruin you hope. I'm pretty sure he is coming back. The alternative is Ramsay and 20 men going to capture castle black and the Wall storyline revolving around him and his band of merry Boltons. Just the thought of that:

Oh, the Night's Watch is screwed no matter which way you look at it. After all, just because The Wall is hundreds of feet high, doesn't mean the White Walkers, who are dead and thus can never tire, aren't able to climb it.

Not to mention the even stronger evidence being that Melisandre just got back to the wall literally a few hours before the shanking. That to me is more indicative than anything else.

Same here. It's way too much of coincidence. Though they'll probably build it up over the course of season 6.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can't believe some of y'all are still in denial about Stannis. Stannis from the very beginning was a man who used blood magic to murder his brother. He was never an honorable man. He was just a man who had his own morality based on his skewed idea of duty and right and wrong. Balanced good men don't do the things Stannis has done for the past 3 seasons. It's time to wake up and face the facts. Stannis wasn't a saint. And doing his duty and riding to the Wall to stop Mance and being too stubborn to let anyone tell him he couldn't stop his daughter's greyscale didnt make him one. I agree he isn't likeable, but I don't think book Stannis is likeable either. He burns people alive and cuts off the fingers of men who save his life.

Book Stannis may not have been "likeable" (not that every character needs to be charming) but he had a lot of admirable traits that really didn't make it into the show. His motivations were different, his view of right and wrong, while very draconian, still skewed more towards good than evil. You bring up the burnings, but in the books Stannis never burnt an innocent, he never burnt anyone because of their religious differences. All the people he killed where criminals who would have faced execution anyway, he goes out of his way to not burn people unless he can 100% rationalize that they're deserving of death and the one time he's pressed into killing an innocent, he demands absolute proof from Melisandre that she can back up what she promises and even when she does provide the proof ( despite not giving in until it's verified. "2 is not 3, Kings can count as well as smugglers") he still agonizes over the decision, and the only way he can make his decision is when the arithmetic is presented before him clear as day: Westeros or a single life. If you were in that position, and you knew with certainty that was what it came down to, it would be a choice you'd have to make, and if he was so truly black and white, he'd have killed Davos for disobeying him, yet in the books he doesn't even get angry. And as for Davos and the fingers, well Davos himself is very proud of that and admits it numerous times that what Stannis did him was a perfect example of justice.

So the way I see it, and other fans see it, Stannis as a morally complex figure that is more Anti-Hero than straight hero and villain. He's a flawed man, but that's what makes his dedication and noble actions all the more interesting. I think Reek, and the other fans here are complaining about is that the show was a poor adaptation of that character that denied him of the positive qualities in favor of a more villainous approach. For my opinion, I really didn't care about how he was portrayed this episode because at this point it's a different character. Show Stannis and Book Stannis are apples and oranges, and at least this time Ramsay had 20, 000 good men with him

 

[Reek]

Let's us all face the facts, Gents.....

JON STONEHEART

 

[Roose Bolton]

The fact of the matter is...Balon Greyjoy won the War of the Five Kings. All of his rivals are now dead and his kingdom has autonomy, he should go down in the annals of history as hero to the Ironborn.

 

[Reek]

hes the rightful king right now. WHY IS THIS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED .

REEK WILL SIT THE IRON THRONE. With no semen, but BLOOD and... PORK SAUSAGE

 

[Roose Bolton]

Also, Ellaria Sand just sent her nephew to certain death, and Doran doesn't believe in Third Chances.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Also, Ellaria Sand just sent her nephew to certain death, and Doran doesn't believe in Third Chances.

I am desperately curious to see what happens here.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'd like to see the Sand Snakes call her out on that. They're angry as well, but Trystane is their cousin...surely they wouldn't want to see him hurt.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd like to see the Sand Snakes call her out on that. They're angry as well, but Trystane is their cousin...surely they wouldn't want to see him hurt.

They seem stupid enough not to care. Surely Tyene helped with the poisoning.

 

[Reek]

Obara will join Doran... thats obvious.

 

[Reek]

Why are we ignoring the fact that Ollie is actually Rickon? You people seem sooooo ****ing smart but can't open your goddamn eyes.

 

[Drz]

They may have seriously ****ed up with that ending. They left the viewers with absolutely no hope so to the unsullied this seems to be just another Stark and favorite character dying...again.

I'm kinda mixed. I despise season cliff hangers, but the Warg eyes would have been a dead give away, but yeah we'll see.

And this season didn't have anywhere near enough goodwill earned to pull that ending off. It's just one more kick in the balls to the unsullied and unsullied in a season of kicks in the balls.

This season was a castration to book readers lol.

Very mixed feels about the Theon scene, on one hand I like that he took action, on the other... There was no confession, no pathos

Maybe for season 6 episode 1?

What with the R+L=J

Considering D&D know how popular that theory is, how do you know it's a tease? It's only a "hint" for book readers who believe the theory, but you don't see tv viewers going "oh Aemon said last Targaryen and Jon Snow entered the room, heh heh!" Because let's face it:

R+L = D

B+A = Jon Snow. Believe it!

This Season of Game of Thrones Was Packed With Murder and Rape. It Was Also So, So Boring.

Yeah Stannis'm death/defeat + Shireen Burning + Sansa rape we're not build up well and had no emotional punch, just like Jaime raping his sister.

I like AFFC and ADWD but it's not the best source material for a good season or two of television. So this season was ****ed in that regard from the beginning.

What makes you think that? I really don't see why we needed all the drastic changes made from AFFC like Brienne and Jaime having so different stories alongside Stannis.

I agree completely. The way some people have been talking about Stannis around here, you would think he was Ned in the books.

Ned and Stannis we're literally like brothers, they we're both honorable men. Remember that Ned Stark died for supporting Stannis Baratheon.

Book Stannis still used blood magic to murder his brother.

It was self defense, would the death had been any better if it was through assination or war battle?

Book Stannis was still seriously considering (and probably would have) murdered an innocent child to advance his war.

Melisandre had "proven" her power when she "killed" the 3 other things.


Here's one of my biggest issues with Stannis loosing: How are these mercenery organizations ever going to receive a new employment and aren't they afraid of the Iron Bank?

Stannis hired his army in the show through Iron Bank's money, these said mercenery organizations most definitely must have known where Stannis is getting his support, so shouldn't the Iron Bank hunt down these cowards who caused their investment to fall flat on their face?

 

[dude stannis]

I love that all the people using the "He killed Renly" excuse forget Renly cut and run on Ned and if he hadn't Ned would still have his head.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Obara will join Doran... thats obvious.

Obara, Nym and Tyene are going to meet Hotah's steel bride.

 

[Drz]

Does anyone have any gifs from Stannis this episode? Dillane had great facial expressions/scenes when:
- He saw his dead wife
- When he realized he was going to get crushed by Bolton army
- I'd also like the fight gif when he fought off those two boltons
- His exchange bit with Brienne

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My biggest problem with this finale is outside of one moment, everything was ****. We lived through Ned's execution, the Red Wedding and many other horrible things. But this, this is extremely depressing. All they had to do was give the people a little hope. My mother is pissed. She started crying, because through all the crap, she at least had Jon. Now she doesn't even know if she has that.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Dillane in general is a great actor, and if anyone in this cast gets Emmy consideration for this season it should be him. He would have made a great Admiral Thrawn.

 

[Reek]

 

[Reek]

I love that all the people using the "He killed Renly" excuse forget Renly cut and run on Ned and if he hadn't Ned would still have his head.

quoted for emphasis.