Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - Part 20

[Reek]

Stannis may not be dead yet. They should have shown Brienne cut his head off.

They didn't...so who knows what will happen now with this season being all over the place.

They have already confirmed in more ways than one, that Brienne cut his head off.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/10/game-thrones-stannis-dead

 

[Drz]

 

[Reek]

SO he didn't survive his head being chopped off?!? GAH!

 

[The Apocalypse]

LOL that they are still going on with the whole Jon Snow is really dead thing.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Marvolo]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/10/game-thrones-stannis-dead

I have to say that I'm glad the show showed restraint with that death. Stannis was a dick with a messiah complex, but seeing his head chopped off in all its gory stomach churning spectacle just wasn't the way I wanted to remember the last Stannis scene. It was the same with Ned. The camera didn't focus on him and the actual act. It cut away at the last minute and ended on Arya and the beginning of the next episode focused on the reactions of every one else. Handling Stannis's death n a similar fashion was the right way to go imo.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Granted, heels, but LOL at Sophie being taller than everybody except Conan.

 

[ThePhantasm]

what's up with the giant redheads

 

[Marvolo]

Sophie is only 5' 9". The rest of those people (except Conan) are just short.

 

[ThePhantasm]

what's up with all the short non-redheds

 

[Roose Bolton]

So no news on casting for season 6, pity. I was at least expecting Tarly and Euron announcements.

I have to say that I'm glad the show showed restraint with that death. Stannis was a dick with a messiah complex, but seeing his head chopped off in all its gory stomach churning spectacle just wasn't the way I wanted to remember the last Stannis scene. It was the same with Ned. The camera didn't focus on him and the actual act. It cut away at the last minute and ended on Arya and the beginning of the next episode focused on the reactions of every one else. Handling Stannis's death n a similar fashion was the right way to go imo.

 

[Drz]

I just hope the show isn't trying to show Brienne as doing the right thing with her Kingslaying and abondening her oath.

 

[Roose Bolton]

There's nothing heroic about abandoning your charge to rape and torture in the pursuit of killing an already broken and defeated man, in revenge for an arrogant jerkass who brought his fate upon himself.

 

[Marvolo]

How did she abandon her charge? She followed Sansa even after Sansa refused to go with her. She sent Sansa a message telling her that she would come to her rescue if she lit a candle. She never saw Sansa light the candle so she assumed things were fine. There was no way for her to know what Ramsay was doing to her. And she waited for weeks or however long Sansa was at Winterfell day and night in the freezing cold staring at that tower in case Sansa lit the candle.

I wouldn't call that abandoning her charge. How was she to know that the candle would light up the one time she stepped away from her post? After she gets done killing Stannis if she does go back to see if the candle is lit then she will see it and go to Winterfell. With any luck she may be able to realize Sansa fled and can find her and Theon.

 

[Drz]

How did she abandon her charge?

She promised Catelyn Stark that she would protect her daughters and find them. She knew where Sansa was.

She followed Sansa even after Sansa refused to go with her.

Sansa Stark is a 16 year old little girl who doesn't know any better, she might be 18 in the tv show, but she is still a naive little child who doesn't know any better.

Brienne is an adult and a knight, she is the one who should know what to do, and all she accomplished was murdering Vale Knights who we're simply doing their jobs and then she goes off to murder a King.

She never saw Sansa light the candle so she assumed things were fine.

Brienne wouldn't be guarding and waiting for the candle to be lit if she actually believed that.

 

[Marvolo]

She promised Catelyn Stark that she would protect her daughters and find them. She knew where Sansa was.



Sansa Stark is a 16 year old little girl who doesn't know any better, she might be 18 in the tv show, but she is still a naive little child who doesn't know any better.

Brienne is an adult and a knight, she is the one who should know what to do, and all she accomplished was murdering Vale Knights who we're simply doing their jobs and then she goes off to murder a King.



Brienne wouldn't be guarding and waiting for the candle to be lit if she actually believed that.

Yes she would. She feels it is her duty to be there for her if she needs her at some point. Do you not give your relatives and people you feel responsible for a way to contact you in the event they need help? Or do you only give them your cell number when you know for a fact they are going to be raped and tortured?

Brienne had no way of knowing the sort of sadistic monster that Ramsay is or that Ramsay will be there to hurt Sansa. She gave Sansa a way of contacting her, not because she knew with 100% or even 10% certainty that she would be raped and tortured at Winterfell, but because it was the prudent thing to do. She gave her a way of contacting her just in case something at all happened. It's better to have a means of contact and never need it than need it and not have it. And since Sansa had no desire to light the candle until after her wedding night and since Brienne isn't psychic it's silly and shortsighted to expect Brienne to have been able to get her out before anything happened. After the way Sansa acted in the Inn Brienne couldn't risk breaking into Winterfell only to have Sansa once again reject her offer. And Brienne would have a hard time getting out of winterfell if Sansa put up a fight and resisted. That is why Brienne didn't just infiltrate Winterfell half assed and half cocked with absolutely no intel. That's a quick way to end up dead. The only intelligent thing to do that wouldn't get Brienne killed, which would not help Sansa, was to give Sansa a way to contact her and leave the ball in her court, and that's exactly what she did.

Also, Brienne couldn't just drag Sansa by the collar out of that inn, stick her on a horse, and get away. Sansa is an 18 year old young woman surrounded by knights of the Vale. She is in the North and she is a Stark and Brienne was carrying a Lannister sword. Brienne also sticks out like a sore thumb. If you think she could just kidnap Sansa out from under Peter's nose in plain sight of everyone in that inn and get out of the North you have a higher opinion of her stealth skills than I do.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Given the infamous reputation House Bolton has for extreme cruelty, Roose being known as the one who killed Robb, Ramsay having recently flayed several lords (in front of witnesses) I'd say that it would be reasonable to assume that Brienne knows that Sansa is in the hands of monsters.

 

[Loki882]

Plus being treacherous a-holes to boot. And really, Renly wasn't deserving of "avenging." I get that he was likeable personality-wise, but he brought his death upon himself. Ironically, he's like Oberyn in that regard, which was another dumb "we need to avenge him" plot last season, hmm.

As for showing "restraint," I find that REALLY hypocritical from this show. They've had ZERO problem showing characters being horrifically tortured/mutilated, Ramsey openly flaying people alive in all it's graphic detail, women being horribly raped/brutalized, etc. But showing Stannis getting decapitated is "going to far?" Yeah no, that's nonsense imo.

 

[Drz]

Stannis lives!!!!!

 

[BestGirl]

I can't understand their restraint in regards to Stannis, either, given how badly the fanbase wanted him violently murdered after killing Shireen. Usually this show is pretty good about making its villains suffer. Maybe they didn't want to piss off the Stannis fans more than they already had.

I wonder if Davos will be the next lord commander of the Night's Watch. That could be his role from here on out.

 

[Victarion]

I wouldn't say I was pissed off as a Stannis fan. A bit disappointed, but then I reminded myself that my other favorite fantasy hero has a crippling addiction to sorcery and has sacrificed loved ones to feed that addiction.

Davos's skills as a smuggler could come in handy if they need dragonglass and Euron's fleets become a thing in the show.

They didn't pull back with Oberyn's death.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i think it was just their way of showing penance, both for the character and for the showrunners as producers who had the reputation of not really caring about stannis at all.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I can't understand their restraint in regards to Stannis, either, given how badly the fanbase wanted him violently murdered after killing Shireen.

I'm sure Ramsay will be killed painlessly offscreen

 

[Victarion]

I wanted to see Melisandre burn Ramsay like with the Florents last season.