Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - Part 23

[TheVileOne]

To quote Craig, I'm really looking forward to the FMA:Brotherhood version.

I've said this too Roose. After the show is over, wait until the book series is finally done and then redo the ENTIRE SHOW that's more faithful to the books. In other words, yeah the Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood version.

Milk this cow until its dry.

 

[TheFuture]

A lot of people seem to think that the Umbers could still pull a fast one with Rickon playing an active part in the deception, and that handing him over to Ramsay could even be his idea.

I suppose it's still possible but it just doesn't fly with what we know about the battle of the bastards, and I haven't the heart to bring spoilers into the discussion.

 

[Drz]

To quote Craig, I'm really looking forward to the FMA:Brotherhood version.

Amen to that!

 

[Reek]

@TheFuture ... no one really knows if those spoilers are legit or not... they are kind of suspect with past set reports in regards to a certain someone.

 

[Reek]

From the EW article...

For the producers, determining how much time Jon Snow would spend as a lifeless corpse provoked some discussion. “There was some talk about putting the resurrection at the end of the first episode because it’s such a great premiere ender,” says writer Dave Hill. “But Bryan made a great point — we really want to milk Jon Snow’s death, otherwise he’s only been dead for 50 minutes. We wanted to let his death sink in and let the other characters play that emotion. At the same time, his body would start to decompose, and storywise we had a lot of pressing action that takes place with Jon Snow this season, so we didn’t just want him lying on a table for three episodes. Plus, Kit probably would have murdered us!”

See..that adds to the confusion of Davos's reasoning in protecting the body... the resurrection talk was probably meant for episode 1 but in order to milk it out, they split it into 2 episodes. Bad move? Not necessarily... but IMO it would have been better to have the resurrection discussion first, then the resurrection later (by first i mean very early in the premiere giving Davos purpose in what he is doing).

 

[Legion]

I've said this too Roose. After the show is over, wait until the book series is finally done and then redo the ENTIRE SHOW that's more faithful to the books. In other words, yeah the Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood version.

Milk this cow until its dry.

The show is pretty faithful and we don't know how different the ending and the events leading up to the end will be until the books are released.

Anyway I don't think there would be enough interest to see the entire show remade. Maybe a movie to give the series a new ending or new season but not the entire show.

 

[TheFuture]

The show is pretty faithful and we don't know how different the ending and the events leading up to the end will be until the books are released.

Anyway I don't think there would be enough interest to see the entire show remade. Maybe a movie to give the series a new ending or new season but not the entire show.

Yeah, like to suggest remaking the show is like suggesting that there's something fundamentally wrong with the show. The show is a phenomenon that is both critically acclaimed and has the accolades to back it up. It's a definitive adaptation and quite simply does not need to be retreaded.

The books are what they are and that will never be taken away from people.

 

[Drz]

Yeah but someone making a more faithful version wouldn't also take anything away from the show's original fans.

 

[Roose Bolton]

As a HBO million dollar an episode show, it'll never get remade. But 10 years down the track with the show finished and the books (hopefully) finished, I could see the story of the books being retold in comic or anime format. GRRM himself has said he's not opposed to seeing his works done that way.

On the actual live action front, we'll get a HBO series of Dunk and Egg, or nothing at all as a follow up.

 

[craigdbfan]

To quote Craig, I'm really looking forward to the FMA:Brotherhood version.

Good to see you Bolton. Looks like our musings from that night are pretty much coming into full fruition. I'm still enjoying the show but it's very much going through an "anime only ending" type of deal which is fine for this go around I suppose.

I've said this too Roose. After the show is over, wait until the book series is finally done and then redo the ENTIRE SHOW that's more faithful to the books. In other words, yeah the Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood version.

Milk this cow until its dry.

I actually fully agree. I believe the franchise/brand is strong and popular enough to undertake a task like that.

It would be interesting to see if maybe it can be told in film format through a slate of 8 - 10 film. Now that would be truly unique. While it would still omit certain elements from the books it will still follow the "true" author's canon and that to me will still make it a fully new experience.

Amen to that!

As a HBO million dollar an episode show, it'll never get remade. But 10 years down the track with the show finished and the books (hopefully) finished, I could see the story of the books being retold in comic or anime format. GRRM himself has said he's not opposed to seeing his works done that way.

On the actual live action front, we'll get a HBO series of Dunk and Egg, or nothing at all as a follow up.

I think they can do it sooner than 10. People are becoming fairly immune to the quick reboot (e.g Spider-Man).

 

[TheFuture]

Yeah but someone making a more faithful version wouldn't also take anything away from the show's original fans.

Would a retread of old ground (which it would be more or less) pull in the casual viewer though, that's the question.

Such a show would be unprecedented as well, it's never been done before. It's not like a superhero franchise that reboots, as they have bottomless pits of different stories to take inspiration from.

I'd liken such a remake to remaking something like the Harry Potter books: how do you tell essentially the same story again while being a hit? You could translate the book to screen page for page, but structurally you're talking about a mammoth task (both in terms of story and runtime), and history tells us such adaptations fail in the main.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Would a retread of old ground (which it would be more or less) pull in the casual viewer though, that's the question.

Such a show would be unprecedented as well, it's never been done before. It's not like a superhero franchise that reboots, as they have bottomless pits of different stories to take inspiration from.

I'd liken such a remake to remaking something like the Harry Potter books: how do you tell essentially the same story again while being a hit? You could translate the book to screen page for page, but structurally you're talking about a mammoth task (both in terms of story and runtime), and history tells us such adaptations fail in the main.

It would have to live up to and surpass extremely high standards in casting and acting which has already racked up so many awards that I don't believe a reboot can recapture that kind of lightning in another bottle. It would always be compared to the first series and be found wanting in various ways, IMO.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, like to suggest remaking the show is like suggesting that there's something fundamentally wrong with the show. The show is a phenomenon that is both critically acclaimed and has the accolades to back it up. It's a definitive adaptation and quite simply does not need to be retreaded.

The books are what they are and that will never be taken away from people.

Not at all. Brotherhood wasn't saying there was something fundamentally wrong with the original FMA series. They simply went the way they did since they ran out of manga material to adapt, and they needed a new story. It became a very dark and rough show, and that actually gave the show a ton of acclaim.

Brotherood was a more faithful rendition of Hiromu Arakawa's manga because there was an opportunity to tell the story again and in some ways, it turns out totally different. It's basically just like getting an AU version of FMA. So now we simply have two fantastic versions of FMA. One that's darker and more bleak, and another one that caters to the fans more of the manga.

 

[Reek]

The season finale is 69 minutes long...

also... Tower of Joy spoilers

Spoiler

Apparently... this sunday is just the fight... then 3ER tells Bran they have to leave. Then episode 5 (the Door) is the promise scene... the door being the door to Lyanna in the tower

 

[Reek]

my buddy just sent me POTENTIAL Episode 3 spoilers (much like the ones i posted for episode 2)

I won't post them in here for obvious reasons from the past week... No idea if these are true or not, but its always fun to read speculation too just to get more pumped up

 

[Victarion]

I wanna get pumped up too. Please send them my way Reekers.

 

[Reek]

Ohhhh... YOU EDITED YOUR POST?!?!

Why? Huh Vic? WERE YOU MEAN TO ME?!

...pm.

 

[Victarion]

No just overexcited and made a mess in my post.

 

[Reek]

Well, HBO took down those spoilers... so... could be legit... luckily I saved them lol

 

[Marvolo]

The season finale is 69 minutes long...

also... Tower of Joy spoilers

Spoiler

Apparently... this sunday is just the fight... then 3ER tells Bran they have to leave. Then episode 5 (the Door) is the promise scene... the door being the door to Lyanna in the tower

D&D, you SOB's!

 

[Reek]

So they gave a reason for the Umbers to be against the Starks now... a reason that doesn't make much sense but whatever.

 

[Victarion]

The resolution of the traitors' plot thread is interesting...

 

[dude stannis]

On the actual live action front, we'll get a HBO series of Dunk and Egg, or nothing at all as a follow up.

Dunk and Egg's stories don't warrant a show though. Hedge Knight would be a word for word adaptation as a film and be about 2 hours and change.

I'm still wondering what the hell is happening with the next lot of graphic novel adaptations though.

 

[Reek]

Only the Hedge Knight and Sworn Sword are out right?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Good to see you Bolton. Looks like our musings from that night are pretty much coming into full fruition. I'm still enjoying the show but it's very much going through an "anime only ending" type of deal which is fine for this go around I suppose.

I think they can do it sooner than 10. People are becoming fairly immune to the quick reboot (e.g Spider-Man).

Hiya Craig!

The big thing that comes to mind, other than the fact that both FMA and GoT diverge at roughly the same place in their respective stories (halfway through) is that I think we're going to see a similar thing with the main villains. The Night's King seems to be the GoT equvilant of Dante, whereas I think the novels will give us something along the lines of Father, or even Truth in terms of the endgame.

Dunk and Egg's stories don't warrant a show though. Hedge Knight would be a word for word adaptation as a film and be about 2 hours and change.

What GRRM proposed was something akin to Sherlock, with there being either a HBO telemovie or two-part mini-series being released every year adapting the stories in the life of Dunk and Egg. As far as a live action module, that's what I meant.