Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - Part 23

[Reek]

Reek....Drz.....you will now put each other on ignore.

You will not respond to posts made by each other.

You will not mention each other in posts from now on.

You both do not exist to each other any more.

There will be no more contact between each other.

I hope this clear....

Well... That is a shame.

Sorry if any conversations get 'thrown off' for this ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Marvolo]

Arya was already warging, by the time of Clash of Kings having her wolf dreams. Jaqen knows about this, because he had studied her.

Tell me, what other value does Arya bring to the organisation? She can't become a Noone and she is reckless.

Her warging capability is her only advantage.

Look, I know you're gonna say "the tv show doesn't have her as a Warg" but this is an adaptation of the books, just because D&D create these plotholes and badly motivated characters, doesn't mean we readers, cannot fill in these gaps of logic, with the source material.

Saltpans was the closest port from Harrenhall, book wise this makes sense that the Faceless Men ascociate would be waiting for her, tv wise it doesn't make as much sense due to the Vale plot.

Are you telling me an unimportant port like Saltpans, out of all the possible ships is just a coincidence that it's a Bravoosi ship?

This is also why Rorge & Biter we're searching for Arya and why they burn down Salttowns.



Good for you? Since you saw the original post, I'll stick with my recommendation. Re-reading the Arya chapters and Feast for Crows Brienne chapters answer your questions.

What's the point of this book reader's topic if we can't even discuss the plot holes, gaps of logic, etc. if whenever mentioning the books just results to "lol this is the tv show, not the books".

You have the general discussion for the tv-only talks, you can leave the book readers to speculate things using the source material. =)

The books are the books and the show is the show. Two entirely separatr universes/narratives with their own events and stories. Stop trying to combine the two into a single narrative. Reminds of Harry Potter fans that try to combine the books and movies and believe everything that happened in the books took place in the movie universe even when events in both contradict. Arya hasnt shown any sort of warging ability in the show. It doesnt matter what she did in the books. This is the show.

The point of this thread is to discuss spoilers and was to discuss events from the books that might happen in future seasons. Not to try to combine the two narratives into some bastardized single narrative like you are doing with this arya warging stuff. In the books arya is a warg. In the show she isnt. That could change in the show, but so far she hasnt been established as a warg.

 

[Drz]

I don't see why people are discouraging book readers discussing books here at all.

Arya's plot becomes a coincident after another if we remove her natural ability of warging and I honestly cannot see D&D ignoring something that is core to the character's nature.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't see why people are discouraging book readers discussing books here at all.

Arya's plot becomes a coincident after another if we remove her natural ability of warging and I honestly cannot see D&D ignoring something that is core to the character's nature.

Not a single person in here is discouraging book readers. What's being discouraged is you mixing the show and books and acting like things that happened in the books happened in the show even tho they didn't.

The Faceless Men in the show don't want Arya for her warging ability because in the show she hasn't shown any warning ability. No one not even Arya in the show knows whether she can warg. Neither do we. The show is the show and the books are the books. Two separate universes that are going down their own paths with their own interpretations of the characters.

And her not being able to warg in no way makes Arya's plot coincidental. And clearly they have ignored her ability to warg because they haven't established that she can. When or if her warging is ever relevant to her plot in the show they will establish that she can warg, but until then her ability to warg in the books is entirely irrelevant to the plot and events in the show.

 

[Victarion]

Bookwise, we know no more than Arya. Right now it seems like she's just meat off the streets. But we could learn more from Jaqen in future novels.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Bookwise, we know no more than Arya. Right now it seems like she's just meat off the streets. But we could learn more from Jaqen in future novels.

In a sexual way, or a cannibal way? Or both?

Because we know the Faceless Men bang the dead bodies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is starting to sound like some Buffalo Bill crap. They wear the faces, then have their ways with the bodies.

 

[godisawesome]

It's is more of a cult than a guild; cults tend to target unstable or vulnerable people who seem easy to manipulate. Arya may not be vulnerable, but she's a young girl with an obsession with death and killing. It's not far from the realm of believability that the Faceless Men want to make her a Faceless Man just because she shows the capacity to be a competent killer, particularly if Jaqen could tell Arya was hiding something while remaining comparatively innocuous in Harrenhall.

 

[Marvolo]

I think I know who the shadow was in the trailer that is stabbed in the back. It looked like whoever it was was stooped and had a beard. Im pretty sure Pycell. Its beyond time for him to die and with what he said about the Mountain and with Cersei being beyond tired of him his time is up. That old **** is gonna die.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Spoilers for 6x04 episode!!!:


I gota say I loved the Pink Letter's version for the show. I had given up on it appearing after Jon got ceasared. Nicely done.

I think I know who the shadow was in the trailer that is stabbed in the back. It looked like whoever it was was stooped and had a beard. Im pretty sure Pycell. Its beyond time for him to die and with what he said about the Mountain and with Cersei being beyond tired of him his time is up. That old **** is gonna die.

Yeah I thought so as well. I don't mind if Pycelle dies in a way different than in the books. But I really hope that at least [BLACKOUT]Kevan's[/BLACKOUT] death is left intact as in the books, which I believe will be the case because of that shot of [BLACKOUT]Vary's little birds stabbing something on the floor[/BLACKOUT] in the trailer

 

[Marvolo]

Spoilers for 6x04 episode!!!:


I gota say I loved the Pink Letter's version for the show. I had given up on it appearing after Jon got ceasared. Nicely done.





Yeah I thought so as well. I don't mind if Pycelle dies in a way different than in the books. But I really hope that at least [BLACKOUT]Kevan's[/BLACKOUT] death is left intact as in the books, which I believe will be the case because of that shot of [BLACKOUT]Vary's little birds stabbing something on the floor[/BLACKOUT] in the trailer

I think the only change to [blackout] Kevan's[/blackout] death will be that Qyburn orders the little birds to kill him instead of Varys.

Varys is in Mereen and the little birds work for Qyburn now so it makes sense that Qyburn would order them to kill him. I think its going to happen while the Tyrell armies are causing a ruckus at the Sept. Im not sure how Cersei and Jaime will get rid of Lady Olenna, but its bound to happen sooner than later.

 

[rashad]

Damn this episode was fantastic. Firing on all cylinders this season.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

I think the only change to [blackout] Kevan's[/blackout] death will be that Qyburn orders the little birds to kill him instead of Varys.

Varys is in Mereen and the little birds work for Qyburn now so it makes sense that Qyburn would order them to kill him. I think its going to happen while the Tyrell armies are causing a ruckus at the Sept. Im not sure how Cersei and Jaime will get rid of Lady Olenna, but its bound to happen sooner than later.

That could work. Seeing as Jaime said that while theres all the conmotion at the Sept, Kevan will stay at the Red Keep.

I wonder when will Jaime go to [BLACKOUT]Riverlands[/BLACKOUT].
He really needs to retake where he left to catch up with his book counterpart. I believe it was season 4 last time we saw humble Jaime. I wonder how will they adress his falling out with [BLACKOUT]Cersei[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Reek]

Interesting feeling... having some spoilers but not being able or willing to share them out of fear Dontos will report you to the king.

 

[Victarion]

I'm not snitch; I don't like stitches.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Interesting feeling... having some spoilers but not being able or willing to share them out of fear Dontos will report you to the king.

Just make a thread that says SPOILERS in the title and unleash on us, please!

 

[Marvolo]

Interesting feeling... having some spoilers but not being able or willing to share them out of fear Dontos will report you to the king.

Well you know Ill take all the spoilers you have. You dont even need to wait on me to pm you. Just assume I want them and send them my way.

 

[rashad]

Hot damn!!

 

[Marvolo]

I bet she is actually an old hag too like Mel. That girl is wearing the same sort of necklace Mel wears to hide her true form.

 

[Drz]

I hope we get to see the Fiery Hand or Moqorro too someday soon.

Moqorro would surely heal Jorah's hand!

 

[Victarion]

I'm afraid Kinvara is our Moqorro.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm afraid Kinvara is our Moqorro.

Hmmm. Looked up the character and her full title is:

Kinvara High Priestess of the Red Temple of Volantis, the Flametruth, the Light of Wisdom, and First Servant of the Lord of Light


I find it hard to believe that someone so apparently young would be one the highest ranking leaders in the Lord of Light religion. Makes me almost certain that she is much much much older than she appears. And she may be even more powerful than Moqorro.

I wonder if Dany will join up with Kinvara and bring her to Westeros? Dany is all about fire and dragons and is a Targ so R'hllor goes right along with that. And now Jon has Mel with him and he is a Targ. So we've got two Targs with their own red priestesses and 3 dragons. Thats a lot of "fire power".

 

[Victarion]

Someone in the WotW comments said it looks like the children of the forest are in the stone henge where the white walker brought Craster's bastard. I don't really see it - I think those are trees behind them, but its interesting to think that the cotf may have created the white walkers to deal with the first men, and then lost control of them.

They've got the firepower, but remember from Hardhome - that white walker that Jon fought walked right through the fire engulfing that meeting hall.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Someone in the WotW comments said it looks like the children of the forest are in the stone henge where the white walker brought Craster's bastard. I don't really see it - I think those are trees behind them, but its interesting to think that the cotf may have created the white walkers to deal with the first men, and then lost control of them.

They've got the firepower, but remember from Hardhome - that white walker that Jon fought walked right through the fire engulfing that meeting hall.

That was an icehenge. I put a pic of it in the WW thread.

A hail of arrows tipped with dragonglass can deal with WW's and there's plenty on Dragonstone and near any other volcanoes.

Dragonfire is also not the same as regular fire, it being hotter and perhaps having a magical quality.

 

[Reek]

Just make a thread that says SPOILERS in the title and unleash on us, please!

Some people don't deserve them.