Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - - - - - - Part 25

[TheFuture]

As far as things D&D might do differently than in the books, having Davos join with house Stark is one I don't find unbearable. Though maybe make compelling reasons for Davos' sudden loyalty to why Davos, an athiest southron knight, takes the white walkers seriously and is so ride-or-die for Jon Snow.
Up until their last scene together in s5, their interactions always had Davos be a bit confrontational.

A desire to avenge Stannis and Shireen would have been a good motive, had Davos himself not denied it. At the time someone had speculated that it would be revealed that Stannis had given Davos sealed letters naming Jon as his he.

Also, maybe have Davos acknowledge the family he has in the Stormlands.

As others have said, they wanted to get from A to B in Jon's story, but didn't have the inclination or time to do a lot of the setup required. Which describes most of the North storyline, really.

When you say Stannis making Jon his heir, do you mean it was speculated in the books or show?

 

[Marvolo]

Man, I think the thing Im most anticipating this season is Ramin Djawadi's score for the scene when...

MAJOR SPOILERS

Spoiler

Dany arrives with her dragons to save Jon from the White Walkers and the music when the Nights King kills one of her dragons. And the music when the Night's King rides the dead dragon and melts the Wall.

Im also curious to see how the NK kills the dragon. Im thinking Dany and the deagons land so Dany can grab Jon and Viserion and Rhaegal are around Dany breathing fire to keep the wights back. The Nights King begins causing the temps to plummet and Viserion cant breathe fire and the Wight's swarm him and he is so weighed down that he cant fly off. Basically hed be like a butterfly getting swarmed by army ants.

 

[Reek]

Stannis does not name Jon his heir lol

he specifcally says, in the books, to put shireen on the iron throne should he fall.

 

[Roose Bolton]

AIs Davos an atheist? He seemed to go from indifference to searching for meaning in the seven.

Just little things like asking the mother to forgive him.

In the books he's sort of agnostic/lapsed believer of the Seven. In the show he expressed atheist views in Season 3 when talking to Stannis about the gods.

 

[Marvolo]

Stannis does not name Jon his heir lol

he specifcally says, in the books, to put shireen on the iron throne should he fall.

Well we still have 2000+ pages left in the books so Stannis could change his mind. If he doesnt he is going to die. That is if he doesnt die at Winterfell.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think if they're going to have any of the Five Kings name Jon as a secret heir, it would probably be Robb before Stannis. There's more immediate set up with that chapter in ASOS where Robb and Cat discuss it, and from what I can recall Stannis hasn't quite figured out Jon's heritage in the books like it was implied he may have had in the show.

It's why I don't see Davos sticking around the North post-Stannis. I think he's gonna pull a Gilad Pellaeon and lead what's left of the Stormlords into retaking Storm's End from Aegon and the Golden Company.

 

[Victarion]

^ We already had that in the show. Jon rolled through a bit of fire in 'Watchers on the Wall' and didn't burn.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Targaryen's aren't immune to fire. Dany surviving the funeral pyre was magic.

 

[Reek]

^ We already had that in the show. Jon rolled through a bit of fire in 'Watchers on the Wall' and didn't burn.

Jon burned his hand with a candle in the first season

 

[Roose Bolton]

Several Targaryens have died by fire, and it's been hilarious every time.

 

[Reek]

joffrey even tells a story of one of them drinking wildfire and dying

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In the books, Dany would die from fire. According to GRRM, the pyre was a one off thing.

 

[TheFuture]

I think if they're going to have any of the Five Kings name Jon as a secret heir, it would probably be Robb before Stannis. There's more immediate set up with that chapter in ASOS where Robb and Cat discuss it, and from what I can recall Stannis hasn't quite figured out Jon's heritage in the books like it was implied he may have had in the show.

It's why I don't see Davos sticking around the North post-Stannis. I think he's gonna pull a Gilad Pellaeon and lead what's left of the Stormlords into retaking Storm's End from Aegon and the Golden Company.

I remember show Stannis being dubious towards the likelihood of Ned fathering a bastard but do you think he suspected anything more than that?

 

[Roose Bolton]

I remember show Stannis being dubious towards the likelihood of Ned fathering a bastard but do you think he suspected anything more than that?

The scene in that same episode with Baelish seemed to give off the vibe that it was fairly common knowledge to those in power at the time knew that Lyanna/Rhaegar was a love affair rather than a rape. Couple that with the basic understanding of Ned Stark's personal character and Jon clearly looking like a Stark, I wouldn't put it past Stannis as considering it a possibility that he might be Lyanna's child.

 

[Reek]

when i first started the series, i thought jon was roberts

 

[Marvolo]

I just found out that we may have seen Tormund's daughters:

On another note, I saw a piece of fan art. Its Jon facing an army of Wights holding Lightbringer and it made me wonder if the show will mirror Jon standing with Longclaw before Ramsey's charging cavalry by having Jon stand defiantly in front of a charging horde of wights while he is holding Lightbringer? That happening at night could be a powerful moment for the show.

 

[Reek]

i think longclaw will turn into lightbringer yea.

 

[Marvolo]

i think longclaw will turn into lightbringer yea.

Thats my hope as well. Im kind of thinking that revelation will happen the way Longclaw being able to stop the White Walkers blade happened. Like it will begin to glow unexpectedly in a moment of absolute desparation or determination. But if they go another way...

Ive been thinking of ways it could be turned into Lightbringer in the show. Im leaning towards him having to either stab a dragon or Dany. In the legend, Azor Ahai drove his blade into the heart of a lion and it didnt work. The second time he drove it into the heart of his beloved and it worked. So it got me thinking. If the show takes a literal approach to the legend. Maybe in season 8 Jon could kill a Lannister with Longclaw. Cersei or Jaime. Then later in the season he kills Dany (maybe she is going to do something horrible, does something horrible, or maybe he is just that desperate and knows about the legend) and when he stabs Dany through the heart he pulls the blade out and it begins to glow.

A less literal theory I have is that he uses Longclaw to kill [blackout]the Night's King's Dragon[/blackout] by stabing it in the heart and when he pulls Lightbringer out its glowing. Maybe the blood and fire of the dragon somehow mixes with the dragonsteel of the blade and makes it Lightbringer.

I definitely think a dragon or Dany is involved in the birth of Lightbringer somehow.

Another theory I have is Lightbringer is Jon and Dany's child.

Spoiler

The season ends with them having sex. Not to be crude but the sword can be symbolic of a penis. And Jon will be thrusting his "sword" into Dany. And the legend speaks of Nissa's ecstasy. Fire has been used in art as a symbol of ecstasy. So maybe the Legend is actually about Azhor Ahia and Nissa creating their heir. The fire is only a symbol of Nissa's ecstasy. Azhor's sword is his penis. Nissa's heart is a symbol of her womb or their love. And Lightbringer is their child.

Maybe Jon and Dany's child will be the "light" in the darkness. The future heir that will rule the kingdoms and usher in a new "Spring" And whats more in the middle ages the birth of an heir was marked as a time of joy and hope in a kingdom. Even during times of war.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Dany's magic-induced infertility hasn't been adapted on the show as far as I can recall. So that's something to consider.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

When you say Stannis making Jon his heir, do you mean it was speculated in the books or show?

Show only.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

In the books, Dany would die from fire. According to GRRM, the pyre was a one off thing.

Didn't she get burned by Drogon in the Mereen pit, too?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I just found out that we may have seen Tormund's daughters:

Those are Karsi's daughters, the female chieftain from Hardhome. I didn't really get a vibe that the two of them were an item.

I don't mind being spoiled, so will the BoB be heading to Winterfell, or will they join the Night's Watch?

 

[Reek]

At what point did Stannis appoint jon as his heir?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

At what point did Stannis appoint Jon as his heir?

He didn't.

But leading up, and during, season 6 airing, there was some speculation that when Stannis, who at that point had decided to sacrifice Shireen, had decided to name Jon as his heir in case he didn't make it out of the battle alive. And that that was the reason Davos was suddenly fervently supportive of Jon.

Which didn't turn out to be the case, of course, but to be honest, if it did, it wouldn't have been close to the worse thing D&D have done.

 

[Reek]

the worst thing theyve done is have stannis burn shireen.