Game of Thrones General (Non-Book Related) Discussion Thread - Part 1

[FTCBIRDMAN]

It's too stupid to be real, but it is. I can only assume that tons of people saw it but they all wanted the day to end sooner than later so they kept their mouths shut.

But why couldn't they remove it in post?

 

[Enriquespy]

SAMMY MY BOI: So that's it uh? We are some kind of a song of ice and fire?

 

[Iceman]

So basically, if what I'm hearing is correct, the writers wanted out as soon as possible. So they said to hell with it and rushed everything to a conclusion.

Disappointing, but not surprising. Another good television show ruined by its very creators because they wanted out.

They definitely rushed it. That part is fact. What they achieved regardless is down to interpretation but that they rushed it isn’t. And unfortunately it shows, bigtime.

 

[Iceman]

I am watching the finale right now.

Ayra: I know a killer when I see one.

Me: Oh, you don't say Arya. What gave it away, the entire city being gone?

My Brother: She had to explain it for simple Jon.

Arya is officially a Minority Report PreCog who can see crimes before they happen. This is why she alone was able to call out Dany before anyone could have possibly known that she would go on to take a life (lives).

 

[Legendver2]

How that Dragon Pit council didn't object to Bran being king is beyond me. So Sansa was granted independence because of nepotism, but Yara, who was granted independence from Daenarys, didn't bother to bring that up then and there? What about Dorne? You'd think the rest of the kingdoms see the North become independent and would be, "hey we want that too..." And half the people voting have no clue on Bran's powers and have no reason to believe he has powers anyway. None of these cats were even at the Battle of Winterfell to experience Bran's stories first hand, and even if they did, Bran did next to nothing to prove he's worthy of being king aside being a rolling wiki. The War of Five Kings started because the kingdoms couldn't decide who the rightful ruler was, but somehow this time everyone's just cool with a totally rigged democracy in the North's favor? Lmao give me a break.

 

[Iceman]

I really don’t mind Bran ending up as king. I just need more material to justify it.

 

[Greens]

How that Dragon Pit council didn't object to Bran being king is beyond me. So Sansa was granted independence because of nepotism, but Yara, who was granted independence from Daenarys, didn't bother to bring that up then and there? What about Dorne? You'd think the rest of the kingdoms see the North become independent and would be, "hey we want that too..." And half the people voting have no clue on Bran's powers and have no reason to believe he has powers anyway. None of these cats were even at the Battle of Winterfell to experience Bran's stories first hand, and even if they did, Bran did next to nothing to prove he's worthy of being king aside being a rolling wiki. The War of Five Kings started because the kingdoms couldn't decide who the rightful ruler was, but somehow this time everyone's just cool with a totally rigged democracy in the North's favor? Lmao give me a break.

They could have dedicated several episodes to this plot point alone. Have people argue amongst each other why Bran is/isn't a good fit, what they personally desire. But nope, gotta get this out in 6 episodes.

 

[Iceman]

How that Dragon Pit council didn't object to Bran being king is beyond me. So Sansa was granted independence because of nepotism, but Yara, who was granted independence from Daenarys, didn't bother to bring that up then and there? What about Dorne? You'd think the rest of the kingdoms see the North become independent and would be, "hey we want that too..." And half the people voting have no clue on Bran's powers and have no reason to believe he has powers anyway. None of these cats were even at the Battle of Winterfell to experience Bran's stories first hand, and even if they did, Bran did next to nothing to prove he's worthy of being king aside being a rolling wiki. The War of Five Kings started because the kingdoms couldn't decide who the rightful ruler was, but somehow this time everyone's just cool with a totally rigged democracy in the North's favor? Lmao give me a break.

That council was not a very strong one to be making this decision lol.

 

[8ulk87]

They definitely rushed it. That part is fact. What they achieved regardless is down to interpretation but that they rushed it isn’t. And unfortunately it shows, bigtime.

It wasnt rushed. They decided they would have only 6 episodes for season 8 back when season 6 ended.

It was bad planning.

Only 6 episodes was a big mistake.

That council was not a very strong one to be making this decision lol.

We can add the council to the things that didnt make sense.

 

[Iceman]

It wasnt rushed. They decided they would have only 6 episodes for season 8 back when season 6 ended.

It was bad planning.

Only 6 episodes was a big mistake.

Sorry mate, I didn't quite understand how the above makes it not rushed.

So when season 6 ended they planned to have less episodes - ie to rush it. They then rushed it as planned. Which turned out to be a mistake. Am I missing something here?

We can add the council to the things that didnt make sense.

The Night King's defeat, Dany's turn, Dany and Jon's love, Bran's rise. All things I am absolutely fine with, they just needed more time and buildup for me to fully appreciate them. 2 full seasons at minimum but preferably 3 or 4, especially given the relaxed pace of the earlier seasons. And they would have had that if D&D hadn't suddenly reduced their available time left due to trying to get it finished asap.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This is something I've thought for a long time and given the reaction to Sam's suggestion in the episode more than ever the solution is obvious..

What Westeros needs is an Industrial Revolution and the rise of the Proletariat.

 

[harlequinade]

 

[kguillou]

Damn i feel alone. None of my friends liked the ending or this season and have apparently turned on the show entirely. One saying “i will never recommend this show to anyone.” These were all people who werent even book fans they just watched and loved the show over the past several years and this killed it for them. Another good good friend is completely irate about it and he was the one who got me into the show. As someone who liked the ending and was okay with this season its depressing that theres no one to share that enthusiasm with.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Damn i feel alone. None of my friends liked the ending or this season and have apparently turned on the show entirely. One saying “i will never recommend this show to anyone.” These were all people who werent even book fans they just watched and loved the show over the past several years and this killed it for them. Another friend is completely irate about it. As someone who liked the ending and was okay with this season its depressing that theres no one to share that enthusiasm with.

As someone who doesn't despise Spider-Man 3, I feel your pain

 

[Iceman]

HBO say that the finale drew a record 19.3m US television viewers.

 

[Iceman]

Haha, awesome.

 

[8ulk87]

Sorry mate, I didn't quite understand how the above makes it not rushed.

So when season 6 ended they planned to have less episodes - ie to rush it. They then rushed it as planned. Which turned out to be a mistake. Am I missing something here?




The Night King's defeat, Dany's turn, Dany and Jon's love, Bran's rise. All things I am absolutely fine with, they just needed more time and buildup for me to fully appreciate them. 2 full seasons at minimum but preferably 3 or 4, especially given the relaxed pace of the earlier seasons. And they would have had that if D&D hadn't suddenly reduced their available time left due to trying to get it finished asap.

No i get what you mean i just wanted a little clarification as to not make it seem they didnt have planned this early on.

As i said 6 episodes was a mistake. The season would have benefited from a longer buildup.

It would have made everything more fluid. Still i like episodes 1-5. Episode 6 not so much.

 

[P Supreme]

I feel like she was working overtime to sell Dany's last scenes, despite or perhaps because of her personal dislike of them. She wanted to send her character off on as high a note as she could salvage.

IMO she did sucks for her that she was giving vomit in the form of scripts from D&D

 

[Madam-Shogun]

The ending actually seemed way too sweet than bitter imo, almost to the point of being out of place even.

 

[kguillou]

The ending actually seemed way too sweet than bitter imo, almost to the point of being out of place even.

I think after last week’s nuclear meltdown a sweet ending was badly warranted and God was I relieved because the way the first 30 minutes were going I was sure it would end in a dark bloodbath.

 

[Iceman]

No i get what you mean i just wanted a little clarification as to not make it seem they didnt have planned this early on.

As i said 6 episodes was a mistake. The season would have benefited from a longer buildup.

It would have made everything more fluid. Still i like episodes 1-5. Episode 6 not so much.

Oh right, makes sense.

Yeah, I was very disappointed when I heard. Season 4 was amazing and I was hoping they would go to 10 seasons judging by the pace they were getting through the book material! What’s done is done and I will still enjoy all the good and ignore the bad from the series now that the first viewing of everything is done.

 

[Brother Jack]

It feels more thematically conclusive to have no one on the throne. To have the council become the collective governing body and the seven kingdoms become loosely independent, taking steps towards a democratic republic rather than remain in the feudal and monarchical system. They kind of have that with the council voting on the new king, but there's an implication with the ending that the wheel Dany wanted to break is going to continue, if it could ever be broken at all. Dany becomes the kind of tyrant she swore to destroy. Bran comes off as an absentee ruler. There's no indication that the cycle won't repeat itself in a few generations. You're left wondering how much has really changed.

 

[harlequinade]

 

[InCali]

This is something I've thought for a long time and given the reaction to Sam's suggestion in the episode more than ever the solution is obvious..

What Westeros needs is an Industrial Revolution and the rise of the Proletariat.

I've worked as an organizer before and that's one job I would probably turn down. Organizing unions in Westeros....uh, no thank you....

 

[NotNickFury]

In hindsight, I imagine those upset about 7 and 8 could just view this scene in the Season 6 finale as the series finale. It does feel like an ending of sorts, with Dany, Tyrion, and company setting sail for the world ahead of them.