Game of Thrones General (Non-Book Related) Discussion Thread - Part 1

Marvolo said:
That was just talk. The second example especially. She was trying to strong arm her way into Carth.

Talk is easy, but actually slaughter hundreds of thousands of civilians with dragon fire is a whole other level.

This is the woman that crucified thousands because of their treatment of the innocent. This is the woman that locked her babies up because of a single dead child. This is the woman that agonized over executing a single commoner for crimes so that she wouldnt appear partisan. This is the woman that stood up to a doth raki that was trying to rape a woman. This is the woman that freed thousands or millions in Essos and outlawed slavery everywhere she went. This is the woman that repeatedly refused to reopen the fighting pits because the fighting pits and what they represented were antithetical to her ideas. It took repeated pressure and threat before she caved. Prior to episode 5 she had a temper and strong morals and goals. But what she did in Episode five was so far beyond that that it only makes sense as a sudden acute mania brought on by emotional trauma and depression. Ir wasnt a bloodthirsty nature that naturally developed.
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Thing is, she would burn cities. She'd destroy her enemies. Those aren't the normal folk. The entire point of breaking the wheel to protect those people. It's such backwards logic to suggest otherwise.
 
Roose Bolton said:
That was another problem, in that they fundamentally misread the Baratheons. They stated Renly was such a great guy, would have made an amazing king etc...that’s really not what the narrative of the books tells us.

Renly is a really charming guy, but it’s all false charm. He’s very good at getting people to like him, but he’s not really a good guy. Brienne adored him, but Renly thought she was a big joke and just took advantage of her devotion. He had been plotting for years to have who he believed to be his niece and nephews killed so that his lover’s family could come in and replace them, with Margaery marrying Robert. He joked about Shireen nearly dying of Greyscale and openly joked about killing Stannis but not mutilating his corpse too much. They really did a disservice in the show by making him the “good” sibling.

It’s as Donal Noye told Jon, “Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.”
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I need to read the first couple of books again, because I forgot Renly got that dark. :funny:

Renly felt like a victim of the more black and white nature of the show imo. For something that liked to act like it played in the grey, a lot of the show isn't like that. With Renly, they played him plenty unqualified, but that was really it. He was a decent dude, who was being pushed into a situation that got him killed.

Their take on Stannis on the other hand... yeah.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
I need to read the first couple of books again, because I forgot Renly got that dark. :funny:

Renly felt like a victim of the more black and white nature of the show imo. For something that liked to act like it played in the grey, a lot of the show isn't like that. With Renly, they played him plenty unqualified, but that was really it. He was a decent dude, who was being pushed into a situation that got him killed.

Their take on Stannis on the other hand... yeah.
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Renly in the books is basically a continuation on the theme George set up about appearances being deceiving. Cersei is beautiful, yet she’s actually a monster, the Hound is ugly, but there’s a heart buried there. Renly’s a charming, good looking guy who is great at engaging people...but he ultimately doesn’t care about them. He’s a very selfish character underneath, whereas the flip side of that Stannis has a purposefully blunt and prickly personality and isn’t too fond of dealing with people...but underneath he’s trying to do the right thing.

Whereas the show played it more as, Renly’s a bit of an airhead, but an ok guy and Stannis is the evil Richard the III type schemer. It’s a very shallow interpretation, but also one that’s not necessarily limited to the Baratheons. There’s an argument to be made that they bought into the Lannisters’ hype too much without examining the proper context. Cersei in particular...there’s not a lot of that book version in what we’ve gotten on screen.
 
Roose Bolton said:
Renly in the books is basically a continuation on the theme George set up about appearances being deceiving. Cersei is beautiful, yet she’s actually a monster, the Hound is ugly, but there’s a heart buried there. Renly’s a charming, good looking guy who is great at engaging people...but he ultimately doesn’t care about them. He’s a very selfish character underneath, whereas the flip side of that Stannis has a purposefully blunt and prickly personality and isn’t too fond of dealing with people...but underneath he’s trying to do the right thing.

Whereas the show played it more as, Renly’s a bit of an airhead, but an ok guy and Stannis is the evil Richard the III type schemer. It’s a very shallow interpretation, but also one that’s not necessarily limited to the Baratheons. There’s an argument to be made that they bought into the Lannisters’ hype too much without examining the proper context. Cersei in particular...there’s not a lot of that book version in what we’ve gotten on screen.
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Cersei to me is the biggest WTF. I mean it makes sense now... kind of? Because she didn't even really end up doing anything. :funny:

I felt like they did a decent job with Jaime until the last four episodes. They maybe made him a bit overly sympathetic, but overall it worked.

Tyrion was made a bit more palatable in general, but for the first 4 seasons I think he worked really well overall.
 
I’m not sure what their intentions were, probably just to prop up Lena Headey’s admittedly good performance...but I can’t see the book version pulling off half the stuff she did towards the end of the show. Plus they kept trying to hammer home that’s she maternal and her big redeeming quality, but she’s pretty abusive to those kids in the novels. It’s just an odd take.
 
Pretty sure "Young Griff" is meant to be in Cersei's place by the time the books wrap-up.
 
Yeah, which makes infinitely more sense with Dany having a breakdown. Young Griff is kind of an existential threat to her identity.
 
Book Cersei is infuriating. Show Cersei could at least see how horrible Joffrey was and she was sometimes humanized. Book Cersei has no redeeming qualities. She seemed like she was in love with Joffrey and her POV chapters made me want to reach in the book and strangle her. She would think to herself how Joffrey was too strong and smart for Margaery and she was always patting herself on the back for being so clever (like arming the sparrows in exchange for forgiving the crown's debt) even though her decisions were atrocious. Book Cersei is annoying af.
 
Elektra1 said:
Book Cersei is infuriating. Show Cersei could at least see how horrible Joffrey was and she was sometimes humanized. Book Cersei has no redeeming qualities. She seemed like she was in love with Joffrey and her POV chapters made me want to reach in the book and strangle her. She would think to herself how Joffrey was too strong and smart for Margaery and she was always patting herself on the back for being so clever (like arming the sparrows in exchange for forgiving the crown's debt) even though her decisions were atrocious. Book Cersei is annoying af.
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Book Cersei explains Joffrey and her relationship with Tyrion rather well imo.
 
i think we should start every sentence with "this is the woman who".... damn Marv :lmao:
 
Did the prophecies about Cersei even come true??? I'm not remembering the details, but it sorta seems like they didn't....
 
Be careful with those pitch meetings guys. Once you go down that rabbit hole, it's hard to escape. I watched like 30 of them the day I discovered it
 
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