The Rise of Skywalker General Star Wars Episode IX News/Speculation Thread - Part 1

[blueharvest]

 

[TheVileOne]

Do they really know what they want to do with Rey here?

 

[NHawk19]

Short answer no.

They tarnished the legacy characters and created what is at best a controversial new character. Now for some reason rather than create something new/better they seem bound and determined to make Rey happen.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I’ll never forgive zoomers for rehabilitating the PT. I remember back in the zoomer-less internet days. The PT was rightfully derided and mocked. Them were the days.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Personally, I’m very glad we’ve moved on from the “George Lucas raped my childhood” days.

PT forever!

 

[Drizzle]

The prequels are flawed, no one will argue that. But Revenge of the Sith at least stuck the landing, which is more than can be said for The Rise of Skywalker, which was a movie that absolutely should have been delayed so they could have more time to figure things out.

 

[Snow Queen]

Imagining a world where they delayed Rise of Skywalker to December 2020 before the other shoe dropped.

 

[Drizzle]

Imagining a world where they delayed Rise of Skywalker to December 2020 before the other shoe dropped.

Granted, delays don't always make for a better movie (Jurassic World Dominion comes to mind) but there was absolutely no reason for them not to delay Episode IX given the circumstances leading up to it, especially in a year where Disney had no shortage of billion dollar hits either.

 

[ENCK]

The prequels are flawed, no one will argue that. But Revenge of the Sith at least stuck the landing, which is more than can be said for The Rise of Skywalker, which was a movie that absolutely should have been delayed so they could have more time to figure things out.

The original script was far better by the director who left before Abrams took over ... I read it on-line. The entire section with Knights of the ren scenes and fighting would've been amazing.

 

[Sian]

The prequels are flawed, no one will argue that. But Revenge of the Sith at least stuck the landing, which is more than can be said for The Rise of Skywalker, which was a movie that absolutely should have been delayed so they could have more time to figure things out.

From a purely personal point of view, the PT did not completely destroy the Skywalker Saga as TROS did. In fact, they added to it, as seeing the tragedy of Anakin's fall made his redemption all the more moving.
I haven't been able to watch any of the previous films since I saw TROS. I find it too depressing because despite so many arguing how 'hopeful and satisfying' it is, all I can see is the entire Skywalker/Solo family gone while Palpatine's seed remains. It didn't help one bit that I lost my mum the year TROS came out. I desperately needed a bit of escapism that year.

 

[Drizzle]

From a purely personal point of view, the PT did not completely destroy the Skywalker Saga as TROS did. In fact, they added to it, as seeing the tragedy of Anakin's fall made his redemption all the more moving.
I haven't been able to watch any of the previous films since I saw TROS. I find it too depressing because despite so many arguing how 'hopeful and satisfying' it is, all I can see is the entire Skywalker/Solo family gone while Palpatine's seed remains. It didn't help one bit that I lost my mum the year TROS came out. I desperately needed a bit of escapism that year.

I'm sorry to hear that. TROS is associated with bad memories at the time it came out for me too which is partially a contributor as to why I don't rewatch it often apart from me just generally thinking it's the weakest Star Wars movie.

 

[Sian]

I've probably said this before but TROS tried too hard to please everyone.
Luke fans thought his character was 'disrespected' in TLJ, so they retconned him for TROS.
People argued Rey was overpowered so they made her Palpatine's granddaughter.
Ben fans wanted him redeemed so he got a rushed redemption.
Reylos were given a 'kiss' (as a former reylo let's just say that's all I want to say on that subject).
People who wanted FS Finn got him (although they did absolutely nothing with it).
People thought Snoke was a weak villain so they brought back Palps.

For me the whole film was a bit like the last season of GoT; it seemed they just wanted to hurry up and get the last chapter in the Skywalker Saga over so they could 'move on'. Curiously they do not seem to have done that; the tv series are set mostly BEFORE the ST, and despite their eagerness to rid themselves of the Skywalkers they keep dragging them all back, even Ben 'Kylo Ren' Solo in the comics.

 

[godisawesome]

I've probably said this before but TROS tried too hard to please everyone.
Luke fans thought his character was 'disrespected' in TLJ, so they retconned him for TROS.
People argued Rey was overpowered so they made her Palpatine's granddaughter.
Ben fans wanted him redeemed so he got a rushed redemption.
Reylos were given a 'kiss' (as a former reylo let's just say that's all I want to say on that subject).
People who wanted FS Finn got him (although they did absolutely nothing with it).
People thought Snoke was a weak villain so they brought back Palps.

For me the whole film was a bit like the last season of GoT; it seemed they just wanted to hurry up and get the last chapter in the Skywalker Saga over so they could 'move on'. Curiously they do not seem to have done that; the tv series are set mostly BEFORE the ST, and despite their eagerness to rid themselves of the Skywalkers they keep dragging them all back, even Ben 'Kylo Ren' Solo in the comics.

I’m coming from the largely opposite POV regarding the other ST films - I’m a huge Finn fan, was a Rey Skywalker theorist, loved Kylo as a loathsome foil to Rey and Finn, foiled himself by smarter Hux, with a smaller, leaner First Order… and therefore I despised TLJ for developing/introducing Reylo, thought the film itself proved why “Rey Random” was a bad idea because it immediately became obsessed with Kylo instead, hated how it mistreated Finn, and thought that the Luke story was well executed but horribly and inaccurately conceived…

But I agree 100% that TROS’s issue is trying to compromise between contradictory, and at times even somewhat dramatically exclusive goals - albeit, I think the fact that it was mostly formed on both a mind-numbing key short production schedule and yet also still had to mostly come about before audiences got a reaction to TLJ makes things even weirder.

…But that also means I think it was sort of in an impossible situation unless LFL decided to either go 100% against TFA (and promote Kylo Ren/Ben Solo over Rey and make it entirely about him as a Villianous Protagonist and Anti-Heroic Redemption story) or go 100% against TLJ (and demote Kylo/Ben back below Rey and Finn, and to the rank of only a villainous supporting character, and consider retconning Rey into Luke’s daughter anyway.)

Episode IX had to deal with trying to appease Non-Reylo Rey fans, Finn fans, people who love-to-hate Kylo, fans of Kylo as the Big Bad, Reylo Rey fans, “Ben Solo did nothing wrong!” fans, fans of the OT3 who hated the idea of them dying off without any descendants and therefore wanted Ben Solo to live, fans of the OT3 who hated Ben Solo for getting 2 of the OT3 killed and therefore wanted him dead…

…And that’s just the people who you could still somewhat count on to by a ticket for one watch.

You’re people who wanted Rey and Ben to run off and have a child together were stuck in the same boat as those who wanted Rey Skywalker to marry Finn and give him the family name - **** out of luck and at each others’ throats already.

TFA and TLJ are completely incompatible without someone pulling a Geoff John’s and doing some kind of “disrespectful”-level retconning one way or another.

As an example of what I mean:

The original script was far better by the director who left before Abrams took over ... I read it on-line. The entire section with Knights of the ren scenes and fighting would've been amazing.

I disagree that the Trevorrow script would have ever been good for Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren as their antagonist, or for the fate of the Skywalker Family… but I do think it would 100% work as a story for Kylo Ren/Ben Solo as a dual Villianous Protagonist and Big Bad.

If you share TLJ’s priorities, which favor Kylo/Ben, and depend on less formidable characterizations of… everyone else… then it’s good, and mostly inoffensive and equal to TROS elsewhere.

(I‘ll admit that as a Finn fan, if the Trevorrow script had more explicitly created a “Finn leads the regular stormtroopers in rebellion against the ‘brute’ troopers” storyline, I’d like to a lot more… but by the same token, if Finn had been allowed to have a lightsaber and a quiet scene with Rey talking about having the Force in TROS as originally planned, I’d like that even more.)

 

[Sian]

I actually think, looking back, that making a tv series would have been far better than making films. They would have had a lot more time to flesh out the characters, and their backgrounds.
I wish Finn and Rey had been a bit 'darker' to be honest. He was a child soldier, she practically a slave and I would have liked to see the effects their backgrounds had on their characters. 'Grey' heroes are more interesting and watching them redeem themselves is great entertainment.
But I don't think I will get over the fact that Disney's original intention was to make the last of the Skywalkers an iredeemable bad guy. And to wipe out the bloodline. I'm sorry, but I find that unfair to those of us who loved the OT heroes.

 

[donuts]

Lucasfilm Boss Kathleen Kennedy Expected to Retire This Year

The prolific producer has presided over the 'Star Wars' and 'Indiana Jones' franchises through ups and downs since 2012.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[ENCK]

Lucasfilm Boss Kathleen Kennedy Expected to Retire This Year

The prolific producer has presided over the 'Star Wars' and 'Indiana Jones' franchises through ups and downs since 2012.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

good

 

[Sian]

Who'll replace her, I wonder?