Glee Episode V: The Sylvester Strikes Back - - - - Part 13

[Sawyer]

TV Line has a promo for the Beatles episodes, but of course the FOX player is being a real pain in the ass.

 

[Sawyer]

Found one that works...
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[Schlosser85]

lol @ Principal Sue (how did that happen again??) torturing janitor Figgins.

"You're a monster, Sue Sylvester!"

 

[Sawyer]

lol @ Principal Sue (how did that happen again??) torturing janitor Figgins.

"You're a monster, Sue Sylvester!"

They must have remembered that one dangling plot thread from the end of S3 where Roz said she wanted to team up with Sue to take out Figgins, that they never followed up on in season 4.

 

[DACrowe]

So I have not really watched since the Season 4 premiere. I just felt the show was done after they graduated...or technically after Season 1, but that's another matter.

Anyway, I decided that I was going to watch the Tribute to Cory, because that seems like such a moving thing and important for even former fans of the show. Then, I hear about behind the scenes things like Ryan Murphy refusing to invite Dianna Agron and the guy who plays Puck whining about coming back, comparing it to Syria and...

Yeah. I am a little less interested in watching it if that is the direction the tone of the show has gone.

 

[Sawyer]

So I have not really watched since the Season 4 premiere. I just felt the show was done after they graduated...or technically after Season 1, but that's another matter.

Anyway, I decided that I was going to watch the Tribute to Cory, because that seems like such a moving thing and important for even former fans of the show. Then, I hear about behind the scenes things like Ryan Murphy refusing to invite Dianna Agron and the guy who plays Puck whining about coming back, comparing it to Syria and...

Yeah. I am a little less interested in watching it if that is the direction the tone of the show has gone.

Wut?

 

[DACrowe]

Saw this on HuffPo or the like the other day, just googled it:

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[Schlosser85]

Yeah. I am a little less interested in watching it if that is the direction the tone of the show has gone.

What does Mark Salling's Facebook/Twitter rambling have to do with the tone of the show?

 

[DACrowe]

It was more the snubbing Agron who was both pivotal to the show, Finn's character and apparently a friend of Cory and Lea. On top of that, some people seem to be treating it as a ratings grab they don't want to participate in.

I don't know. It just feels so cynical.

 

[Sawyer]

I think it's too soon to make that kind of judgement call.

 

[Schlosser85]

Supposedly in Finn's episode, Santana sings "If I Die Young" by the Band Perry.

 

[protocida]

Ioan Gruffud, Peter Facinelli and Christopher Curry have joined the cast in unnamed roles. Curry is likely playing Jürgen, while Gruffud and Facinelli are speculated to be either Roderick Easton, the Funny Girl director; Henry, the Funny Girl male lead; and/or Jim Elliot, an academic who might be Ryder's father.

 

[Sawyer]

Ioan Gruffud, Peter Facinelli and Christopher Curry have joined the cast in unnamed roles. Curry is likely playing Jürgen, while Gruffud and Facinelli are speculated to be either Roderick Easton, the Funny Girl director; Henry, the Funny Girl male lead; and/or Jim Elliot, an academic who might be Ryder's father.

Interesting. Not the typical Glee casting we're used to: Either huge, on-the-nose guest star for a ratings grab, or a relatively young unknown.

 

[protocida]

Indeed.

Considering these are supposed to be somewhat recurring roles, I can see why they didn't bring in major stars who can't commit for multiple seasons.

 

[Schlosser85]

It slightly annoys me that we've seen parents for Marley, Jake, Unique, and soon Ryder, but not Blaine and especially Mercedes and Tina.

 

[protocida]

Erinn Westbrook has been cast as Bree, a evil cheerleader. She's the "Ruby" character that is potentially becoming recurring and a member of New Directions. She's also supposedly [BLACKOUT]the mastermind behind the "Carrie" plot.[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Sawyer]

Oh and let me guess, let me guess... she'll gradually work her way up the evil ladder (I don't count the Tina thing. After this past season, Tina kind of deserves it ), finally culminating in something truly awful that makes her stand back and say "Whoa, I went too far." She'll half-heartedly apologize and her horrible behavior/personality will be forgiven in one episode and all but forgotten in the next. Rinse. Repeat.

In other words:

 

[Pink Ranger]

Oh and let me guess, let me guess... she'll gradually work her way up the evil ladder (I don't count the Tina thing. After this past season, Tina kind of deserves it ), finally culminating in something truly awful that makes her stand back and say "Whoa, I went too far." She'll half-heartedly apologize and her horrible behavior/personality will be forgiven in one episode and all but forgotten in the next. Rinse. Repeat.

Only if she's pretty enough. In the Glee universe, only attractive people get redemption. Everyone else is a Dick Tracy villain.

 

[protocida]

I guess that's the problem with the show. They create an antagonist, they eventually join the glee club and become popular, so they are redeemed, and then you need to create a new antagonist, and since this is a somewhat realistically high school show, they go back to the same mold of "nasty person who is popular".

In other news...

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[Sawyer]

Only if she's pretty enough. In the Glee universe, only attractive people get redemption. Everyone else is a Dick Tracy villain.

Even the unattractives get their redemption on Glee, as long as they have backstory. A character could push someone in front of a bus on this show, only to turn around and be like "I'm sorry I did that to you. You see, it's just that when I was in the fifth grade, a bully wearing your exact backpack took $5 of lunch money from me." And the person who got hit by the bus and is in a hospital bed would be like, "It's okay... we're the same. WE'RE JUST KIDS!!!" And they both get teary eyed and embrace, and forget that this ever happened.

 

[Schlosser85]

Don't forget the sappy but heartwarming duet they'll close the episode with while Will looks on with his patented misty-eyed proud expression.

But yea....

Jesse, Karofsky, Sebastian, Sue (on an endless loop), Cassandra July, Kitty...every Glee "villain" takes their spin in the InstaRedeemer sooner or later. There is no escape.

Karofsky I could buy. It was well-developed enough, IMO, and he was complex enough. Kitty I could also buy being shaken up enough by thinking she was trapped in a school shooting.

But Sebastian? He was literally making jokes about his near blinding of Blaine and pulling internet blackmail on Rachel with doctored nude photos of Finn five minutes ago, then some kid he made fun of at a gay bar once attempted suicide, and Sebastian is all "I've reflected on my life and wow I'm a jerk, gee everyone, I'm really sorry". And everyone else is "it's cool bro, life's too short", and voila, New Directions--led by Finn, no less-- is standing up and applauding Sebastian's Regionals performance, and his assault victim Blaine crosses the stage to shake his hand.

Cassandra is even less-motivated. She kind of just stops being evil because the writers need to wrap her role up.

 

[Sawyer]

If Karofsky's turn was written like any of the other villains on this show, it would've been like...

Step 1: Karofsky harasses Kurt
Step 2: Kurt has nervous breakdown at school
Step 3: Karofsky kind of feels bad
Step 4: Karofsky haphazardly comes out in front of the student body and threatens to kick anyone's ass who messes with Kurt
Step 5: Karofsky joins ND and performs a joyous number with Kurt, smiling, laughing and spinning in circles together
Step 6: The writers briefly attempt a genuine love triangle with Kurt/Blaine/Karofky
Step 7: The writers abandon it three episodes in
Step 8: The writers create a completely bland, repetitive new character to be Karofsky's love interest
Step 9: The audience loses interest in Karofsky's presence

At the very least, they left us wanting more.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I am really tired of NDs hive mentality. Whenever they do a tribute, majority of the club has to talk them up like gods while 1 person isn't having it so everyone has to list every reason in the book as to why said person(s) is so great. It is so annoying. The writers are so dense that they don't realize that giving these characters different interests in music would actually be interesting and help them develop more instead doing the same old same old.

And next time instead of dedicating it to one person/group, why not have them just do a tribute to the evolution of music? Would be very simple to have Shue split the group into 3-4 mini groups (and actually mix the kids up instead of boys/girls and usual people who sing together) and give each mini group a different decade/era of music to do and have them choose a few songs to mash up that really represent the decade/era.

Also...is Blaine no longer a cheerio? If he is he needs to be in that uniform all day every day just like Kitty has to.

Glee needs to stop doing cliff hangers, they are awful on following them up.

 

[protocida]

I don't mind redemption, even Cassandra's was slightly foreshadowed in her first two episodes. The problem is the writers have the characters do extreme things while in their "bad" phase, so, when they are forgiven, if comes off as forced.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don't mind redemption, even Cassandra's was slightly foreshadowed in her first two episodes. The problem is the writers have the characters do extreme things while in their "bad" phase, so, when they are forgiven, if comes off as forced.

Exactly. Sebastian throwing rock salt in Blaine's eyes and Kitty manipulating Marley into an eating disorder were so vicious that its a little jarring how the writers just dismiss it later.