Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[fabman]

Singer's the kind of director... who can't deal with f'ing budget. Superman Returns is no way something that looks like it costs 200 million dollars... Spider-Man looks more expensive, and that movie only cost 100 million dollars. Damn, Men in Black looks more expensive, 90 million dollars...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Singer's the kind of director... who can't deal with f'ing budget. Superman Returns is no way something that looks like it costs 200 million dollars... Spider-Man looks more expensive, and that movie only cost 100 million dollars. Damn, Men in Black looks more expensive, 90 million dollars...

Adjusted for inflation, Men In Black would probably cost around $150-200 million to make today. So it's unfair to compare the budget to an effect-heavy blockbuster from '97 to one from now.

Then again, studios lie all.the.time about how much they spend to make tentpoles. I know for a fact that the upcoming The Curious Case of Benjamin Button wound up being a well-over $200 million production. Will the studio admit to that? Maybe, but I doubt it.

Singer handled the mega-budgets of the X-Men films well mostly because again he was forced to cut corners and (at times) was restrained by Fox (which is one of the reasons why he jumped ship to the Superman franchise over at WB).

 

[fabman]

Okay, but even if Men in Black would cost 150 million dollars today... you'd totally see where that money went. With Superman Returns... it's still a mystery. I mean, he spent so much money for... crap, basically. Really something mediocre. That's the problem of Superman Returns, it's just mediocre, nothing special, nothing memorable or really entertaining, just... plain... bland, like Singer's directing since X-Men. The X-Men movies were okay, but they, aswell, were also kinda bland... but no way as bland and uninteresting as Superman Returns.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

It's your opinion that it's bland, crap, etc. (i.e. X2 = OK/bland?!?)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Singer's the kind of director... who can't deal with f'ing budget. Superman Returns is no way something that looks like it costs 200 million dollars... Spider-Man looks more expensive, and that movie only cost 100 million dollars. Damn, Men in Black looks more expensive, 90 million dollars...

Did you SEE some of the special effects in the first Spiderman movie?

 

[stargazer]

Okay, but even if Men in Black would cost 150 million dollars today... you'd totally see where that money went. With Superman Returns... it's still a mystery. I mean, he spent so much money for... crap, basically. Really something mediocre. That's the problem of Superman Returns, it's just mediocre, nothing special, nothing memorable or really entertaining, just... plain... bland, like Singer's directing since X-Men. The X-Men movies were okay, but they, aswell, were also kinda bland... but no way as bland and uninteresting as Superman Returns.

Just your opinion, of course. I like the X-Men movies Singer directed, but SR is just much better to me. And I'm sorry, but the SR production values, sets like The Daily Planet, Lex's yacht, The Fortress, Gertrude's mansion, for instance, all look great.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Okay, but even if Men in Black would cost 150 million dollars today... you'd totally see where that money went. With Superman Returns... it's still a mystery. I mean, he spent so much money for... crap, basically. Really something mediocre. That's the problem of Superman Returns, it's just mediocre, nothing special, nothing memorable or really entertaining, just... plain... bland, like Singer's directing since X-Men. The X-Men movies were okay, but they, aswell, were also kinda bland... but no way as bland and uninteresting as Superman Returns.

Well, that's real corn you see on the Kent farm.

Singer is brilliant.

 

[SuperDaniel]

The point is...Singer spent so much money where it wasnt needed....stupid street signs, etc etc etc...that stupid boat with the glass floor and details that weren`t needed...Cutting one of the best scenes in the movie also didnt help...

SR is on HBO right now and i still mantain my opinion. It just doesnt work as a movie. The script is a mess. One of the greatest villains of all time is reduced to a stupid caricature. The make up on Brandon Routh sucks so much that on real life he looks more like Superman than in the movie with that stupid hair and costume with dull collors.

X-men 1 had nothing of a budget. X2 was bigger and more expensive.. I fail to see Singer improving the sequel with 100 million dollars less...

With a budget of 250 M and we can still see whenever a CG Superman is on screen its just absurd. It just makes me laugh. Singer really screwed up.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

To be fair alot of directors have been overspending on their mega franchise movies. The thing is, they overspent on sequels to huge blockbusters that already made so much money the studio just didn't care.

Examples:

Pirates 1: 140mil, Pirates 2 225mil.
Spider-Man 1: 140mil, Spidey 2 200mil

Now if I were Singer I wouldn't care if the studio gave me 200mil for a first in a franchise but the studio should have cared. It was a surpremely bad idea to spend 200mil on the first movie in your franchise, especially if your movie doesn't feature the fights/action scenes people expect in a superhero action adventure film.

The budgets to these type of films always go up. No matter how much Mr. Singer and the studio keep saying it, a sequel to SR isn't going to come in under the first one, expect a 250 to 300million dollar price tag. I say 300mil because judging from past reports Singer will obviously go way over budget.

A huge part of me would like to see a 300 million dollar SR sequel come out and fail. But I'd perfer a reboot.

And no SR fans, I'm not saying that boxoffice makes a movie good or bad, I'm just stating the facts about a poor business dicssion thats fun to discus because I didn't like the film. As I've said before, I love Hellboy but even I can't see how it was a great dicission ofn the studios part to make a sequel to it. I don't care about that though because I found the first to be a good movie and I'm going to see the sequel. I'm sure you feel the same about SR.

 

[dark_b]

Well, that's real corn you see on the Kent farm.

Singer is brilliant.

you are aware that they used tons of CGI corn in the kent farm shots?

 

[Showtime]

They grew a certain amount of corn, and then the rest was painted in with CGI, there are some great videos on one of the effects house's websites. Must be Sony Imageworks.

 

[dark_b]

They grew a certain amount of corn, and then the rest was painted in with CGI, there are some great videos on one of the effects house's websites. Must be Sony Imageworks.

why grow real corn for weeks if you could have all corn CGI?

why was teh kent farm scenes so expensive? we all know why.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Not just that remember they built the Kent house as well as well as Superman's Ship.

 

[dark_b]

Not just that remember they built the Kent house as well as well as Superman's Ship.

you mean the whole kent house that was in the movie for 3 minutes?

sarcasm t:

 

[Nightwing1977]

The last time Singer went "all Wrath of Khan," he gave the world X2: X-Men United.

Actually, he went "all Empire Strikes Back". Or at least that what he said in the interview with Wizard magazine at that time.

WB is definitely going to have more of a say in The Man of Steel than they did with Returns...and that's a good thing imo.

Agree. I think Singer need to go with less money & can still make great action along with F/X like Transformers. I always thought TF cost more than $150 millions to make with all of the F/X & everything. Hopefully can take a cue for that on MoS.

 

[SatEL]

Describe an ideal action scene you would love to see on the big screen maybe for the sequel or reboot.

 

[darkseid26]

-i wanna see superman fight brainiac on new krypton
and
-superman fight darkseid in the streets of metropolis (sorta like the last justice league episode destroyer) and it end with superman flighing darkseid in the source wall (like in superman/batman: supergirl).

 

[GreenKToo]

I want to see Superman and Brainiac square off in the middle of Metropolis. Fire and smoke fills the air from a earlier struggle.
An epic fight ensues. They use semis and cars as clubs.
I want to see punches thrown so hard that they both get knocked through multiple highrise buildings.
The fight ends up over the open ocean, where ships are then used as weapons by Brainiac, with Superman of course saving them.
Finally, I want to see it end with Superman becoming so angry that he unleashes his heat vison at full power on Brainiac.
Superman's eyes would be crackling and smoking from the blast he unleashed.

 

[dark_b]

I want to see Superman and Brainiac square off in the middle of Metropolis. Fire and smoke fills the air from the earlier struggle.
An epic fight ensues. They use semis and cars as clubs.
I want to see punches thrown so hard that they both get knocked through multiple highrise buildings.
The fight ends up over the open ocean, where ships are then used as weapons by Brainiac, with Superman of course saving them.
Finally, I want to see it end with Superman becoming so angry that he unleashes his heat vison at full power on Brainiac.
Superman's eyes would be crackling and smoking from the blast he unleashed.

we are 100% on the same page.

 

[GreenKToo]

we are 100% on the same page.

lol. I think alot of us are. The big question I have though, is W.B.?

 

[November Rain]

a controlled superman being taken down by the league and batman showing up with kryptonite to save the day.

Then once normal, supes realises darkseid has been controlling him and flies at superspeed to apokolips and proceeds to fight darkseid there on a planetary scale confrontation.

everything lasts aproximately 25 minutes, it'd be grand.

 

[GreenKToo]

My dream film would be for the M.O.S. ending with Superman Defeating Brainiac, but Supes discovers that Brainiac was really controlled by Darkseid, who sent him to test Earth's defenses.
Meanwhile Batman, in Gotham, learns of this at about the same time, and he realizes that the earth faces a grave threat.
The final shot would be of the Dark Knight looking at folders of other metahumans on Earth, such as The Flash, G.L., W.W. etc.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I have a couple of ideas, but nothing concrete, you guys have covered a lot of what I'd like to see...I wanted to post a YouTube video of an STAS fight that I really love but I couldn't find it!

 

[bunk]

I'd like to see a crazy ass fight in space. If you think about it, there are few characters that could really do it, and we've seen space ships fight a hundred times. I want to see Supes fight someone hand to hand inside the rings of Saturn and then a nebula and so on. That could be really crazy I think.

As long as he doesn't get buried in the moon...

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I'd like to see Superman fight some in the sky, while flying. I think that would be intresting to see, after all, he can fly, and he does have enemies that can fly.