Venom'sDad
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I think the Pre-Joker has already been introduced...did you see the amount of eye-liner on the Waynes killer's face?
I want to see Jack Napier on this show. Give me a Jack Napier that's along the lines of the BTAS and B'89 Napiers. That sounds awesome to me. They can introduce Napier as the Red Hood, but I don't want Joker to be sympathetic like in The Killing Joke.
It's a shame that they don't aim for that level of quality with shows like this.I liked the pilot. It certainly wasn't anywhere near the level of some other crime shows like The Sopranos or Boardwalk Empire, but it was pretty good.
Just watched the pilot. I didn't like the writing/dialogue, it was pretty bad which surprised me since Heller usually does good stuff on the mentalist. It seemed like they were just trying way too hard. Something about the visuals just looked off to me as well, couldn't put my finger on it though. For instance in the graveyard the tombstones looked way too big and went on as far as the eye could see. Just looked stupid to me. The first half was pretty terrible all the way around but I did feel like they were getting on the right track by the end of the episode though. Arrow and AoS took a while to find their groove so I'm assuming it will be the same with this show. Not going to give up on it I was just expecting more.
Organic?I also thought the opening scene with the crazy guy and Gordon "subduing" him was beyond stupid. Don't really agree on the too many villain cameos though, I thought it was pretty organic.
Agree on the Waynes...they could have been develop more, so we could have felt some kinship to them, and some empathy with Bruce when they are killed. They should have last 4 or 5 episodes, to feel the impact they had on the city, and how tragic their loss would be.
It honestly seems to me that this is what they were originally going to do, but then they lost faith in that premise and decided to shoehorn in as many Batman references as possible at the last moment.I just finished watching the pilot and wasn't that impressed. The plot was getting good towards the end but I think this show would only really work well if you took away the Batman elements from it and just left it as a crime drama.
I forgot to mention this in my complaints.The visuals are also pretty good (though the running close-ups of Gordon during the chase scene are a little odd).
I liked the pilot. It certainly wasn't anywhere near the level of some other crime shows like The Sopranos or Boardwalk Empire, but it was pretty good. I did find it too fast-paced for my liking, with scenes being very quick, up to a couple of lines in some cases before BOOM...on to the next scene. I prefer a more deliberate pacing, allowing time for the plot to develop.
It did get better towards the end of the episode. The conversation with The Roman, and the following scene with Gordon, Bullock, and Oswald at the docks were my favorites of the episode.
It was a lot better than I was afraid it would be, though it does have some flaws.
Yeah,I mean I prefer Alfred as the "kindly old grandfather" version.The recent years interpretation of the character seems to be as a sarcastic hard ***.Yes, I just finished the pilot and that is my thought too. The scenes were very quick and jumped about - it seemed like poor editing and very "clunky".
I did like it - locations, characters, style - but it wasn't put together very well.
Also, I thought it was supposed to be the story of one good cop against a tide of corruption - yet with that scene at the docks Gordon has advertised himself as a murderer.
Shouldn't he be defying the Mob and not, even in pretence, be alleging himself with them?
The Roman? Wasn't that Carmen Falcone?
Is the stand up comic meant to be a future villain? I assume not the Joker though
Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Penguin and the Riddler. Did I miss anyone else?
Actually, in further reflection, while I did like Pertwee's portrayal Alfred, the writers and director really botched the introduction. The most trusted, loyal and loving friend Bruce ever has just marches him away the alley with a "don't let them see you cry"?
Can't forgive the makers for that one.
They've also rushed Bruce a bit.
Yeah,I mean I prefer Alfred as the "kindly old grandfather" version.The recent years interpretation of the character seems to be as a sarcastic hard ***.
I forgot to mention this in my complaints.
The Gordon head cam and the ridiculous swinging light interrogation scene were extremely jarring.
What were they thinking?
That's what my wife said when we were watching the show. The Gordon head cam made no sense at all. For a second I thought I was watching Crank. lol
Does the actor who plays Gordon have an accent? It sounded like he was Irish or Scottish in some of the conversations.
On a side note, if the Waynes are so filthy rich why did they need to hail a cab? Wouldn't they have a driver waiting for them outside the theater? Why would they walk into a dark ally at night?
I'm the opposite. Bruce to turn into batman doesn't want someone to coddle him. He wants someone that will turn him, not just into a man, but a batman.
Alfred can care and grow to care more. But he has got to be able to accept what Bruce is turning into.
Not a dithering old grandpa - yes Bruce you play with your Batorangs. Good boy. Just going to have a nap.
He's his bodyguard/guardian. He has to be tough enough to see Bruce through these years.
Organic?
Catwoman slinking around in the background (in broad daylight), making cat poses, stealing milk, and interacting with cats?
Riddler actually speaking in riddles?
Penguin eating sardines and waddling?
Poison Ivy actually being named Ivy, and standing in the background watering plants?
What's next, Floyd Lawton crying in the corner with a picture of his family? Waylon Jones in a skin moisturiser commercial?
The Wayne's have been murdered in an alleyway in nearly every version of Batman. It isn't something just gone for Gotham.
However, maybe it is partially meant to be like a real life situation, as well as for atmosphere.
Plenty of real life victims are attacked in areas where normally they would not go, but are for various reasons.
True, but in that moment in the alley, he comes across as cruel.
I feel it is done to make Gordon seem more important, more of the mentor.