Gotham Gotham Season 1, Episode 22 "All Happy Families Are Alike" General Discussion

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As Gotham City’s gang war reaches its boiling point, Fish Mooney goes head-to-head with Maroni and Penguin in an attempt to re-stake her claim on the city. Meanwhile, Barbara and Leslie Thompkins are brought together after recent events, and Bruce searches Wayne Manor for any hints that his father might have left behind in the all-new “All Happy Families Are Alike” Season Finale episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, May 4th on FOX.

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[Sawyer]

Betting that Bruce finds a [blackout]proto-Batcave[/blackout].

Haven't there been stories where [blackout]Thomas Wayne acted as a vigilante in Gotham before getting killed[/blackout]?

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't like that idea. Takes away from Bruce's uniqueness.

[blackout]I'm betting he just finds a secret office or something containing all the proof about Wayne Enterprises' corruption.[/blackout]

 

[Codex Tesseract]

Was this the first time we saw Lucius Fox?

 

[ThePhantasm]

Episode 21 was the first time.

 

[Bathead]

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[Bathead]

Betting that Bruce finds a [blackout]proto-Batcave[/blackout].

Haven't there been stories where [blackout]Thomas Wayne acted as a vigilante in Gotham before getting killed[/blackout]?

There was one story where

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Thomas Wayne went to a costume party dressed as a bat. The party was interrupted by a gang trying to rob everyone, and Thomas stopped them. AFAIK, that was a one time thing, he didn't do it on a regular basis.

 

[Sawyer]

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I think I saw [blackout]Barbara hitting Leslie[/blackout] in one of those quick flashes. God help me, if she does any serious damage, I will literally crawl through my TV and choke the life out of that little b****.

 

[Gee]

The Ogre episodes were great and a nice change of pace with the whole Mooney/Dollmaker arc which quite bored me. Glad to see the Maroni/Falcone mob war back on track. Hoping for a good finale.

 

[Sawyer]

Destiny
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Ugh, [blackout]Barbara[/blackout]. Die before you can do any damage to the likable characters, please.

Look forward to seeing what's causing Nygma to flip out there.

 

[vantheman77]

There was one story where

Spoiler

Thomas Wayne went to a costume party dressed as a bat. The party was interrupted by a gang trying to rob everyone, and Thomas stopped them. AFAIK, that was a one time thing, he didn't do it on a regular basis.

I remember that story and it was likely the inspiration for Flashpoint.

I had a feeling what was going to happen between Leslie and Barbara and I wonder if Barbara becomes the Ogre herself.

 

[TheToker87]

Do you think we might get the 'Bruce falls down a hole into the cave' scene at the end of this episode, when Bruce is looking for clues regarding his father?

Would be a good hook to end season 1 with.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Looks like an amazing episode... I'm especially excited for the Fish v Penguin showdown. I wonder if they'll leave the door open for her return or just bump her off now?

I know Heller keeps saying many won't make it out alive... I swear if [BLACKOUT]Barbara does anything to Leslie[/BLACKOUT]. It might be the one area where Heller decides to break from the mythology

 

[X Knight]

Destiny
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Ugh, [blackout]Barbara[/blackout]. Die before you can do any damage to the likable characters, please.

Look forward to seeing what's causing Nygma to flip out there.

so, it looks like

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Bruce and Alfred discover a secret passageway, perhaps to an underground cavern?

Maybe Thomas was in the process creating a Batman-like vigilante persona to "clean up" the city on his own. But he was murdered before getting the chance to put his plan in place.

Bruce discovers his father's secret plans, and vows to complete it, but knows that he's too young and not ready. Thus, he begins his journey to train his mind, body, and spirit, to become Batman and "fulfill" his father's legacy.

 

[Sawyer]

Looks like an amazing episode... I'm especially excited for the Fish v Penguin showdown. I wonder if they'll leave the door open for her return or just bump her off now?

I know Heller keeps saying many won't make it out alive... I swear if [BLACKOUT]Barbara does anything to Leslie[/BLACKOUT]. It might be the one area where Heller decides to break from the mythology

I'm legit afraid for [blackout]Leslie[/blackout], but I do have some hope just due to the fact that I don't think they'd get rid of damn near all the females on this show. I mean...

There's Fish who, regardless of whether or not she survives, probably won't have the same sized role next season, due to Jada's comments.
There's Montoya who, even with the actress still being listed in the credits, has basically been a non-entity for the second half of the season, and I can't imagine that will be any different next season.
And then there's [blackout]Barbara, who's actions in the finale will IMO end one of three ways:
1. She dies, fulfilling what The Ogre said to Gordon before he got killed.
2. She ends up in Arkham, and I don't imagine we'll be seeing much/any of her next season.
3. She ends up on the run, and again, I doubt we'll be seeing much of her in the future.[/blackout]

I can't imagine the show would leave us with only two female characters left standing.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Wow, they really are making Barbara go full-on psycho-killer, aren't they?

 

[Codex Tesseract]

Wow, they really are making Barbara go full-on psycho-killer, aren't they?

I've been hoping this is not his future wife and he's just into women named Barbara (Like Ron Swanson's thing for women named Tammy)

 

[Sawyer]

Wow, they really are making Barbara go full-on psycho-killer, aren't they?

At this point, why not? She's been so thoroughly awful for awhile now that they might as well treat us to her meeting a violent end.

 

[X Knight]

If Barbara doesn't become Gordon's wife, maybe he names his future daughter Barbara because he somehow feels responsible for whatever happened to (adult) Barbara. Gordon feels like he "failed to protect her" or something.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

At least we know where James Jr. gets the crazy gene from.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Maybe Babs will just be Gordon's niece, like in the old comics, and they'll ditch him ever being married Barbara Kean.

 

[Sawyer]

I'd dig that.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[ThePhantasm]

Pretty excited about the finale tonight, to be honest. Hope it holds up to expectations.

 

[Just_Human]

wow

what a ****** action scene in the hospital, that was really lame