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Gymrats & Stalkers: "I Was Assaulted In A Public Restroom"

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When we woke up this morning he told me that he's gonna go to his pastor and confess his sins on Sunday. He says he desires guidance on whether God still loves him. Depending on what guidance he gets from his pastor, will determine whether he comes back to me and our relationship.

Is it fair/right that he should put the future of OUR relationship in the hands/words of his pastor??? :whatever:

He's Catholic. Don't they believe that bisexuals and gays are the Anti-Christ? If so, he is gonna come back shut down and dejected.

I think that it depends on the priest. If they're going strictly by what the Bible says, then the term I recall reading in the Bible is that homosexuals are an "abomination to God." But like someone else mentioned, why would the priest in the confessional be giving any feedback? :huh:

He told me he was baptized there. So I guess all his life? His family rarely attends services there though. And Jason himself is not exactly a serious churchgoer either (beyond Easter and Christmas) so I'm not sure why he feels this sudden need to "go get saved" by his pastor of all people.

He sure as well wasn't trying to get saved last night. :cmad:

It is kind of strange. It sounds like he's taking all of his nervousness about coming out and converting it into religious guilt as if to prove to himself that he needs to confess and be "fixed."
 
It is kind of strange. It sounds like he's taking all of his nervousness about coming out and converting it into religious guilt as if to prove to himself that he needs to confess and be "fixed."
I think so as well. He probably cant think of an alternative...
 
It is kind of strange. It sounds like he's taking all of his nervousness about coming out and converting it into religious guilt as if to prove to himself that he needs to confess and be "fixed."

This is why I compare this thing to being some kind of mutant (like in X-Men). We are different from others but our gifts can't be "fixed".

"We don't need a cure!" LOL :oldrazz:
 
This is all absolutely ridiculous.

I think I'd be beating my head against the wall right now....or beating it against Jason's own head.

Repressing yourself and trying to be someone else that society will approve of is more unnatural than homosexuality.

And, in my hardly humble opinion, the condemnation that some religious authority figures like to dish out so much is a hell of a lot more sinful and "against God" than being in a loving relationship.
 
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Yeah, it is crazy. But we'll see how things turn out. We're going to the Church tommorrow. Jase wants me to come in to the church with him but for some reason that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I think I might just wait out in the car. :dry:
 
Did he say why he wants you to go with him?
 
Going to church really is not the best way to handle this. Not at all.
 
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Did he say why he wants you to go with him?

He didn't say specifically. He just wants me there with him during this meeting.

I talked to him today and asked him if he was going to talk to the Father or just confess to the priest at the window. He said that the priest he's known since childhood is indeed the Father of the Church and that the meeting will be in his private chambers. I think he wants to introduce me to the priest...which...is all sorts of scary to me. :o
 
He didn't say specifically. He just wants me there with him during this meeting.

I talked to him today and asked him if he was going to talk to the Father or just confess to the priest at the window. He said that the priest he's known since childhood is indeed the Father of the Church and that the meeting will be in his private chambers. I think he wants to introduce me to the priest...which...is all sorts of scary to me. :o

That would be very intimidating man...is Jason aware that it makes you uncomfortable?
 
I wouldn't call him an idiot. His religion seems to be very important to him...
Sure. My problem is connected to his lack of seeking alternative solutions.
 
Sure. My problem is connected to his lack of seeking alternative solutions.

If Jason's ultimate focus is 'whether or not he'll be forgiven and accepted by God'...what other alternative does he have other than confronting a priest?
 
If Jason's ultimate focus is 'whether or not he'll be forgiven and accepted by God'...what other alternative does he have other than confronting a priest?
Fair enough. I hope for his sake that the priest doesn't view homosexuality with disdain.
 
He didn't say specifically. He just wants me there with him during this meeting.

I talked to him today and asked him if he was going to talk to the Father or just confess to the priest at the window. He said that the priest he's known since childhood is indeed the Father of the Church and that the meeting will be in his private chambers. I think he wants to introduce me to the priest...which...is all sorts of scary to me. :o
On the up-side, its more likely to come out with a positive result than a straight confession would...
 
Fair enough. I hope for his sake that the priest doesn't view homosexuality with disdain.

I have a bad feeling that Jason is going to be bible-thumped and beaten down...which is only going to make things even worse.
 
His religion seems to be very important to him...

See, I actually disagree. From what Caliph has described, at least. It seems like he hasn't cared about his religion at all until it comes to being something that will allow him to channel his insecurities about being gay.
 
I also wonder if it is a family issue as well. Maybe this is just a precursor to how his family will react... :dry:

You know, like he's going to the church first because what he really can't face is his family?
 
...and....??

In short, it didn't go too badly Joe.

Jason was extremely nervous when we pulled up to the church. He was quiet all morning and didn't even eat breakfast because he said his stomach was upset (I think it's wrong that any religion has enough power to make any person sick like that). Even his hands were sweating.

Anyway, when we got there I was like, "I'll wait for you out here." But he insisted that I go with him. I told him this really wasn't my thing, but he was like please so I went into the joint with him. Interestingly enough, the place was completely devoid of any people...and to be honest it was a little creepy in there because it was so dark with the high ceilings and stain glassed windows. I didn't like the vibe I got from there at all.

Jason wanted me out of earshot as he gave his confession so I don't know how that went. But when he was ready to meet with the priest he motioned me to follow him up these steps to this office off to the side of the podium. The priest was a man in his 70s I'd say. Very friendly and certainly he has a great repore (sp?) with Jason...been knowing him since he was a little boy. Apparently Jase's family went to church a lot when he was younger and then they all just kinda...fell off. I stood by the door behind Jason as he sat down in front of the priest at his desk.

Anyway, when the priest asked Jase why he had asked to meet with him it took Jase like...a full 3 or 4 minutes to speak up. Like literally. I was like, "This guy is never gonna say it." :oldrazz: But then Jase took a deep breath and finally blurted out that he and I had been involved sexually and that he couldn't see himself living out the rest of his days without me involved in his life. It probably wasn't the most tactful way of putting it, but at least he kept it real. And the part about living out the rest of his days...that really got me. Jason never talks like that...I mean, he has his moments, but he stays away from the corny mushy stuff. But when he was talking to this priest it was as if he was talking to his father--and I wasn't even in the room.

The priest was noticeably serious/disturbed by what Jason was telling him. He kept looking me up and down and that made me uncomfortable. He started to reach for his Bible and I just shot him the look of death like "You better f***ing NOT damn him". He looked at me and I think he got my memo because he just patted the Bible and kept listening. The more Jason kept talking the more I realized how important this was to him. Then he started wiping back tears and he kept saying "Sorry", or "Excuse Me", but the tears just kept coming. Both the priest and I gave him kleenex at the same time, but I let the priest be the actual one to give it to him.

Jase wanted to know if God still loved him. And the priest said that He did. He then said that God hates what we're doing but that His love for us will always be unconditional. This latter part confused the...ahem, hell...out of me because if God hates what we're doing, then how can his love be without conditions?

Anyway, Jason seemed to be very relieved at the moment the priest said he was still loved by God. It was as if he blanked out and ignored the rest. He smiled a bit, almost in relief. He asked if the priest would marry us. At that point I was like "WTF!?!?!?!" :wow: But then Jason qualified the statement by saying hypothetically. In other words, did the church believe in Gay marriage or would it perform those types of unions. The priest said no, but that if we were committed in our hearts that was all we needed.

Jason shook his hand and left, and I just walked out after him. I thought about it and poked my head back through the door and mouthed "Thank you" to the priest and he nodded back. When we came out we realized that the service would be starting soon, because people were filing in. So we stayed for the service which was boring as ever. But afterward, Jason said he felt a lot better. He said that maybe we should get back together because he couldn't think of a better person to burn in hell with than me. He laughed at this, but I was deeply insulted even though I knew he was joking. :dry:

We just got back in from taking a walk around the neighborhood and we've talked some things through. I think we might get back together, but I think he still needs some time. Nothing should be powerful to break us up aside from us ourselves--not the Church. And the fact that he can give them that kind of authority over his life deeply disturbs me.

At any rate, I'm moving out Saturday.
 
Right......Yeah the preist didnt have the faintest idea what to do or say. Per usual he made up something to make Jason feel better and of course he believed it.

Prime example of self deception on Jason's part.
 
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Nothing should be powerful to break us up aside from us ourselves--not the Church. And the fact that he can give them that kind of authority over his life deeply disturbs me.

Amen, people should be free to live their lives without God's self-appointed spokespeople making them feel damned for it for their own ulterior motives.

And as far as what the churches consider sins and what I believe are actually sins, let's just say I don't think a lot of them are the same....and let's just say I think some of the condemnation and judgment some religious figures and organizations like to throw around so much is a hell of a lot more "sinful" than being in a loving and faithful relationship with someone.
 
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