Halloween Remake Thread... - Part 1

[Gianakin_]

Had a chance to see H2 yet?

Yup and here's what I posted earlier on it:

"And it was crap. Crappity crap crap crap. He took a great vision that was H1 and turned it to utter crap. Shame. Loomis had nothing to do but be a *****e, Laurie was too much of a b**ch (I liked where he intended to take her character, mind you, but it was too much), and for a person who bashed the hell out of H5 and 6 in the 25 year anniversary documentary, he sure as hell copied a lot of the former to give us Michael's point of view parts.

I started watching and I thought it was straight to video porn. I check IMDb and sure enough, he's changed DP for the sequel. Gone's the beautiful look of H1.

The story just goes nowhere and there wasn't any story to begin with. Whatever he built in H1 he completely destroyed in H2. Ironic, since he agreed to do the sequel when he found out the producers were going to do one, so he hopped onboard to prevent his vision from getting ruined by other. Well... he ruined it himself. Shame."

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I don't meet many who like H2, I flat out hate it. Gianakin, which cut did you watch? I've never seen the TC, only the DC but I figure neither would make it any better.

 

[Thundarr]

Yup and here's what I posted earlier on it:

"And it was crap. Crappity crap crap crap. He took a great vision that was H1 and turned it to utter crap. Shame. Loomis had nothing to do but be a *****e, Laurie was too much of a b**ch (I liked where he intended to take her character, mind you, but it was too much), and for a person who bashed the hell out of H5 and 6 in the 25 year anniversary documentary, he sure as hell copied a lot of the former to give us Michael's point of view parts.

I started watching and I thought it was straight to video porn. I check IMDb and sure enough, he's changed DP for the sequel. Gone's the beautiful look of H1.

The story just goes nowhere and there wasn't any story to begin with. Whatever he built in H1 he completely destroyed in H2. Ironic, since he agreed to do the sequel when he found out the producers were going to do one, so he hopped onboard to prevent his vision from getting ruined by other. Well... he ruined it himself. Shame."

With the exception of RZ's "great vision for H1", this is my opinion of H2 as well. I'd go one further and call H1 crap, while H2 is the horror movie equivelant of "2 Girls, 1 Cup".

 

[redhawk23]

H1 would have been awesome if it never actually moved on into remaking Halloween and instead was just focused on the parts with Loomis and Michael as a child.

It would be even better if it was basically just that without the Halloween association.

 

[marvelman2006]

LAst night on tv I think it was amc that had on all the halloween movies and I had on ressurection while I was working out and I stand by my original opinion of it but now I realize just how made for tv quality it was. At one point it bordered on unwatchable especially when they entered the house and the killings begin. Busta rhymes pretty much killed the movie when he came on screen and it didnt get better. The only good thing about that crap movie was michael's mask. It was a bad year for horror that year with Halloween ressurection and Jason X.

Also halloween 4 was beyond stupid, I was ticked off just by the opening 10 minutes. You mean to tell me that michael pretty much is engulfed by flames at the end of H2 but in part 4 his skins looks untouched besides a few minor burns on his hand? and loomis has a minor mark on his cheek? You can clearly see that the franchise just got worse and worse after part 2 and H20 had the only potential but failed too. Clearly a franchise that was made to end with part 2 yet even more evident the studio wanted to milk it for all it was worth, ******ed or not.

 

[The Shape]

Even as a die-hard Halloween fan, I still prefer Zombie's H2 to his H1 simply because he completely went off in his own direction with it. He did something different and stuck to it all the way through, unlike H1 where he was half-following the classic plot and half-adding in all of his white trash ********. Everything about H1 is uninspired but at least he tried something different.

Still kind of hate H2 and HATED seeing Michael without a mask, but when he's in the mask, he's brutal as ****.

 

[bullets]

They had no intention of keeping Michael alive after Halloween 2 ( in the original films). It seems ridiculous to keep him alive but Loomis shot him numerous times before then. Loomis coming back doesn't make much sense but he was a great character so it can be overlooked. I'm not a big fan of the sequels though.

 

[bullets]

With the exception of RZ's "great vision for H1", this is my opinion of H2 as well. I'd go one further and call H1 crap, while H2 is the horror movie equivalent of "2 Girls, 1 Cup".

Maybe Zombie is a fan of Grindhouse films.

 

[66 Face]

They had no intention of keeping Michael alive after Halloween 2 ( in the original films). It seems ridiculous to keep him alive but Loomis shot him numerous times before then. Loomis coming back doesn't make much sense but he was a great character so it can be overlooked. I'm not a big fan of the sequels though.

Wasn't JC's idea to make a movie called Halloween every year and just make it differnt horror stories. I almost wish Zombie would have gone back to that.

I actually just got back from seeing the re release tonight. Its so awesome to see it on the big screen. Sadly there were only about 15 people in the theater and almost everyone I talk to said they didn't even know about it.

 

[The Joker]

Wasn't JC's idea to make a movie called Halloween every year and just make it different horror stories.

It was. It's a shame it didn't work out because I quite enjoyed Halloween 3 as a stand alone movie.

 

[Gianakin_]

H1 would have been awesome if it never actually moved on into remaking Halloween and instead was just focused on the parts with Loomis and Michael as a child.

It would be even better if it was basically just that without the Halloween association.

Agreed 100%. Zombie handled everything perfectly up until the Carpenter parts.

 

[Gianakin_]

They had no intention of keeping Michael alive after Halloween 2 ( in the original films). It seems ridiculous to keep him alive but Loomis shot him numerous times before then. Loomis coming back doesn't make much sense but he was a great character so it can be overlooked. I'm not a big fan of the sequels though.

I'd go as far as say that MM wasn't supposed to come back at all. MM was the boogeyman, he was shot and left and that's it. A horror cliffhanger. Hence the final exhange between Laurie and Loomis.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I'd go as far as say that MM wasn't supposed to come back at all. MM was the boogeyman, he was shot and left and that's it. A horror cliffhanger. Hence the final exhange between Laurie and Loomis.

I agree but it served less as that and more as sequel bait for the studio. Can you imagine if we had gotten the anthology? Makes me wonder if some of Carpenter's other films would have become Halloween sequels. Aka Halloween 4: Princ eof Darkness, Halloween 5: The Thing, etc. etc.

 

[Gianakin_]

Heh, imagine that. I would like the Thing to be standalone, though.

 

[Hordakfan]

It's not that I don't like gore. But gore for gore's sake is meaningless and not scary. People like Rob Zombie and the people behind the Saw and Hostel franchises just don't understand that.

And I thought that Saw I was okay, but they should have stopped there. And if not there, then CERTAINLY once Jigsaw finally died. And Hostel was just Saw on crack.

Those are mainstream horror movies you can eat a chili dog and enjoy.

Have you ever seen any ACTUAL grindhouse films like I Spit on Your Grave, Last House on The Left, Men Behind The Sun, Maniac, Cannibal Ferox, The Untold Story (aka Bunman), A Serbian Film, Cannibal Holocaust and all that?

All stuff mainstream lovers would puke.

 

[Slushy]

The main reason why I liked Zombie's version because he gave Michael a believable background that would create a serial killer, none of that supernatural crap. That made Michael Myers all the more terrifying. To see a human being like that capable of such madness because there was nobody left that cared about him. Human isn't a single entity. It's part of the human heart and it's horrifying to see it on that level.

Re: Official answer on movie's biggest plot hole

"How did Michael know Laurie was his sister?"

For years like others, I've wondered that question. Well, I asked Tyler Mane that at a convention over the weekend.

In his opinion, Michael knew she was his sister by being around her since he was raised with her. (I can't explain it too well, but people who have sisters might know what I'm talking about. That "sibling connection" you guys can feel.)

According to him though, Zombie intentionally left it unanswered as another nod to the original with the mystique theme.

You have to watch the H2 director's cut. The theatrical is not very good, but the director's cut is a great (completely different ending and it's 20 minutes longer) It plays out more like a drama than a slasher.

Halloween 2 was dogsh** either way, but I prefer the theatrical version's ending.

Spoiler

Having Laurie take her brother's place as the killer was a bold move!

 

[Donnie Darko]

I still fully enjoyed Zomibe's Halloween 2. I just viewed it as its own thing, and I liked how crazy he went with the direction.

 

[Thundarr]

Those are mainstream horror movies you can eat a chili dog and enjoy.

Have you ever seen any ACTUAL grindhouse films like I Spit on Your Grave, Last House on The Left, Men Behind The Sun, Maniac, Cannibal Ferox, The Untold Story (aka Bunman), A Serbian Film, Cannibal Holocaust and all that?

All stuff mainstream lovers would puke.

I've seen most of the movies you've listed, and really enjoyed them. But they are really well done movies, not a bunch of gore for the sake of showing gore crap. That's the difference.

 

[Thundarr]

The main reason why I liked Zombie's version because he gave Michael a believable background that would create a serial killer, none of that supernatural crap. That made Michael Myers all the more terrifying. To see a human being like that capable of such madness because there was nobody left that cared about him. Human isn't a single entity. It's part of the human heart and it's horrifying to see? it on that level.

Re: Official answer on movie's biggest plot hole

"How did Michael know Laurie was his sister?"

For years like others, I've wondered that question. Well, I asked Tyler Mane that at a convention over the weekend.

In his opinion, Michael knew she was his sister by being around her since he was raised with her. (I can't explain it too well, but people who have sisters might know what I'm talking about. That "sibling connection" you guys can feel.)

According to him though, Zombie intentionally left it unanswered as another nod to the original with the mystique theme.



Halloween 2 was dogsh** either way, but I prefer the theatrical version's ending.

Spoiler

Having Laurie take her brother's place as the killer was a bold move!

I disagree. Not about the supernatural crap, I agree with you on that. But if you only watch Part 1, 2, and H20 (as I do) from the original franchise, there's no mention of a supernatural origin.

Rob Zombie wasted over half his movie showing us how and why Michael became a killer, which makes him LESS terrifying. Not only does it humanize Michael, time spent explaining his need to kill to the audience takes time away from trying to build suspense. And all the violent deaths in the world aren't going to make a movie scary if there's no suspense leading up to them.

It's not the supernatural element that makes the originals superior to Rob Zombie's piece of crap remakes. It's the suspence that was built up in the movies before each kill that makes them better.

 

[Thundarr]

I still fully enjoyed Zomibe's Halloween 2. I just viewed it as its own thing, and I liked how crazy he went with the direction.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I can eat a box of Alphabits Cereal and crap a better script than what Rob Zombie came up with.

 

[Specter313]

'Saw' Writers Hired to Tackle New 'Halloween' Horror Movie (Exclusive)

Don't call it a reboot or a remake. It's a "recalibration."

Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan, the writers behind some of the installments of the hit Saw movies, have been tapped to pen the latest entry of the Halloween horror franchise for Dimension Films.

Malek Akkad, who has been associated with the franchise since the mid-1990s and producing the movies since the 2007 reboot, is producing with Matt Stein. He is the son of Moustapha Akkad, the man who executive produced the original batch of movies.

Rob Zombie directed the reboot and its 2009 follow-up, but no director is attached to the new installment, which has been in development for several years now. Patrick Lussier (My Bloody Valentine) and Todd Famer were at one point working on a Halloween 3D, but since they departed years ago, it’s been quieter than a night in Haddonfield, Illinois.

In fact, it’s been so long since the last movie, it is unclear what to call the latest project that will tell the bloody tales of Michael Myers, the seemingly unstoppable killer who stalks the Halloween holiday.

Sources say it’s not a remake, not a reboot, and not a reimagining. One source said the project is a “recalibration.”

Whatever it is, Melton and Dunstan should be suited to the task. The pair wrote four of the seven Saw movies (numbers IV to VII), Piranha 3DD as well as an adaptation of The Outer Limits, which is in development at MGM. They also worked on God of War for Universal and most recently wrote Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, which they sold as a pitch to CBS Films

Melton and Dunstan are repped by WME, Underground's Trevor Engelson and attorney Dave Feldman.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/saw-writers-hired-tackle-new-771891

 

[Thundarr]

'Saw' Writers Hired to Tackle New 'Halloween' Horror Movie (Exclusive)

Don't call it a reboot or a remake. It's a "recalibration."

Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan, the writers behind some of the installments of the hit Saw movies, have been tapped to pen the latest entry of the Halloween horror franchise for Dimension Films.

Malek Akkad, who has been associated with the franchise since the mid-1990s and producing the movies since the 2007 reboot, is producing with Matt Stein. He is the son of Moustapha Akkad, the man who executive produced the original batch of movies.

Rob Zombie directed the reboot and its 2009 follow-up, but no director is attached to the new installment, which has been in development for several years now. Patrick Lussier (My Bloody Valentine) and Todd Famer were at one point working on a Halloween 3D, but since they departed years ago, it’s been quieter than a night in Haddonfield, Illinois.

In fact, it’s been so long since the last movie, it is unclear what to call the latest project that will tell the bloody tales of Michael Myers, the seemingly unstoppable killer who stalks the Halloween holiday.

Sources say it’s not a remake, not a reboot, and not a reimagining. One source said the project is a “recalibration.”

Whatever it is, Melton and Dunstan should be suited to the task. The pair wrote four of the seven Saw movies (numbers IV to VII), Piranha 3DD as well as an adaptation of The Outer Limits, which is in development at MGM. They also worked on God of War for Universal and most recently wrote Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, which they sold as a pitch to CBS Films

Melton and Dunstan are repped by WME, Underground's Trevor Engelson and attorney Dave Feldman.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/saw-writers-hired-tackle-new-771891

Hmmmmm. Not sure how to take this news.

On the one hand, they're not continuing with RZ's series of crap films, which is certainly a good thing IMO. And they're not making a sequel to the crapfest that was Resurrection, also a good thing.

However. . . the people tapped to write the script are the same people who wrote Saw IV through. . . XXXVIII (or whatever number that series goes up to), as well as Piranha 3DD. Really? And some people see this as a GOOD thing?

First of all, they wrote all of the Saw films that had been universally panned by fans and critics alike. I've only ever seen the first one, and have only moderate interest in seeing Parts 2 & 3. Beyond that, they're mostly just sequels for the sake of making sequels. While I enjoyed the first one, unlike with some other movies I didn't like it enough to feel compelled to see the sequels.

Secondly, they wrote Piranha 3DD! Seriously! Piranha 3D was a silly but fun horror/adventure movie. While panned by critics, most movie goers actually enjoyed it for what it was. The sequel? Not so much. Fans hated it. Critics hated it. It bombed at the box office. It went from theatres to DVD faster than The Millennium Falcon traveling through hyperspace at .5 past lightspeed. And the retailers can't even GIVE that damn DVD away!

And THESE are the credentials that make people think that these two have what it takes to retell the tale of Michael Myers on Halloween night? I'm sorry, but that does NOT fill me with a lot of confidence.

 

[BH/HHH]

This is the wrong thread for discussing the new Halloween

 

[TX85]

If they reboot..Which I think they should if they want to make another film,I definitely agree about retconing the brother-sister stuff and not just in the first film but if they make sequels to it.

Back to the mental patient with a dark history that escapes and stalks babysitters..or young females.Part 2 can be set in a hospital like the original part II but Michael attacking just to finish business.

IF they still want to keep the brother-sister connection,Have Judith survive and she grows up to have a daughter..Laurie.Michael escapes then stalks them after finding Judith wanting to sell the Myers house.

 

[Wildcard]

I disagree with that last bit...Judith needs to die by Michael's hands when he's a child. Having her survive and then have a kid Michael hunts down would be messy, imo.

They really do need to get rid of the brother-sister angle, though. I think Zombie made the best story-line pertaining to it but now it's time for something darker. Imo, it's much scarier to have a mental patient stalking victims at random than if it's just some guy targeting his family.

It needs to be something effective that returns to suspense and tension. Get rid of Laurie Strode and the entire brother/sister plot, update Dr. Loomis but keep his narrative, return Michael to being the Shape and I think we're good to go.