Harry using Original Green Goblin Costume?

[chaseter]

I would say that I didn't like it.


let me start over. what I meant was that his father would continue to haunt him and encourage him even more if he wore the goblin costume. sorry if you miss-read my post.

trying to kill more than one person is even more evil. I understand harry can die a hero while wearing the goblin suit but in the movies would it look right? I mean all new yorkers will know who that person wearing the goblin costume is which would make for confusion in the films.

Harry isn't going to be running around NYC killing people. He will only be focused on Spider-Man...so when he shows up at the end and saves Spider-Man...the people will think he is a hero. If you wouldn't want the Lizard changed...why is it ok for them to change GG2???

I can almost guarantee you that there will be a time in this film when Harry confronts his father(in his head). He will be under his control and become the "NIGHT SURFER"...God I hate to say that name...and try to avenge his death. But when Peter and MJ are in trouble, Harry will tell his father "NOO!!!" and do what is right.

 

[Venom 1988]

let me start over. what I meant was that his father would continue to haunt him and encourage him even more if he wore the goblin costume. sorry if you miss-read my post.

No I understood perfectly what you were saying. Your said that if he wore the GG suit, he would be evil forever. However that is not true, as I pointed out in my examples.

trying to kill more than one person is even more evil. I understand harry can die a hero while wearing the goblin suit but in the movies would it look right? I mean all new yorkers will know who that person wearing the goblin costume is which would make for confusion in the films.

Im sorry but that doesnt make any sense.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Harry isn't going to be running around NYC killing people. He will only be focused on Spider-Man...so when he shows up at the end and saves Spider-Man...the people will think he is a hero. If you wouldn't want the Lizard changed...why is it ok for them to change GG2???/

I just think that one or two things from the comics might not work out EXACTLY how we want them to on film. I myself love harry wearing the goblin costume in the comics but in the films it might be a better idea for him to be "New Goblin" because he has one main goal he has been focusing on which is killing peter parker. now I'm sure harry can do the same with wearing the Green Goblin costume but in the movies I don't think harry even wants to bother with Normans suit, he may even have wanted new parts so that he would be stronger and faster. harry himself probably (in the films) doesn't care about his fathers suit because thats the least on his mind. Just don't get me wrong about harry wearing the Green Goblins costume but I just don't feel it...would.....seem right, though I could be wrong.

 

[chaseter]

I just think that one or two things from the comics might not work out EXACTLY how we want them to on film. I myself love harry wearing the goblin costume in the comics but in the films it might be a better idea for him to be "New Goblin" because he has one main goal he has been focusing on which is killing peter parker. now I'm sure harry can do the same with wearing the Green Goblin costume but in the movies I don't think harry even wants to bother with Normans suit, he may even have wanted new parts so that he would be stronger and faster. harry himself probably (in the films) doesn't care about his fathers suit because thats the least on his mind. Just don't get me wrong about harry wearing the Green Goblins costume but I just don't feel it...would.....seem right, though I could be wrong.

Well what a coincidence...he does the same things in the comics...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well what a coincidence...he does the same things in the comics...

like I said ONE or TWO things might not work out as much as I and everybody else here wants them to. I mean these films have stayed really close to the comics so far so we shouldn't doubt them.

 

[chaseter]

like I said ONE or TWO things might not work out as much as I and everybody else here wants them to. I mean these films have stayed really close to the comics so far so we shouldn't doubt them.

Give me 3 good reasons why Harry being called Night Surfer and wearing an outfit that doesn't even have anything remotely to do with a Goblin is ok. And how does that justify Raimi deviating so far from the comics unlike any other character he has given us?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Give me 3 good reasons why Harry being called Night Surfer and wearing an outfit that doesn't even have anything remotely to do with a Goblin is ok. And how does that justify Raimi deviating so far from the comics unlike any other character he has given us?

1. harry shouldn't just step into his fathers suit just because he is suppose to (just in the films though). he should be able to think if his fathers suit has enough armor and has weapons on the suit. he must have thought that the suit he needed has to have more weapons on it to use for his advantage.

2. harry also doesn't concentrate on which suit he is going to wear. he just chooses the suit that has the most weaponry on it.


3. the main reason could be because he doesn't want to be on his fathers side right befor the final battle and decide he wants to wear the suit that his father wants him to. he must feel that he would be pleasing his father if he does that which is something he doesn't want to do once he gets on the good side. harry at the beginning of the film must decide he wants to use the suit that he supposedley made or just because...thats the suit he picked.


now as for sam justifying it, it might make for people who are average movie-goers to understand harry more or else if he wore the goblin costume they would get confused. see what I'm saying?

 

[Infinity9999x]

like I said ONE or TWO things might not work out as much as I and everybody else here wants them to. I mean these films have stayed really close to the comics so far so we shouldn't doubt them.

Really close to the comics?

-Organic Web Shooters
-Knowing Mary Jane since they were Children
-Not display his characteristic Spider-man wit
-Never Meeting Gwen Stacy
-Flash Thomson dissapearing after highschool
-Doc Ock being a nice guy and having the tenacles "mind control" him
-Doc Ock being Married
-Mary Jane acting nothing at all like her comic counterpart
-Mary Jane being the one thrown off the bridge instead of Gwen
-having Eddie Brock be a skinny reporter and look nothing like his comic counterpart
-Sandman killing Uncle Ben

That and more, the movies aren't as close to the comics as we think.

But even if the last two movies were perfect, if we were seeing this stuff coming out now, we shouldn't doubt simply because the last two movies were good? So, by that logic, if I ask a guy to draw me a picture of Superman, and this guy has drawn whatever I've asked him to before, and I see him start drawing Spider-man, I should just keep my mouth shut and watch him give me what I don't want because he did right the last two times?

I won't have blind faith in any movie even if it's predecessors were amazing. Just because a guy's done okay twice doesn't mean he won't mess up. And in my opinion, Rami has delivered good Spider-man movies, not great, and I don't like seeing what he's doing with the thrid.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Really close to the comics?

-Organic Web Shooters
-Knowing Mary Jane since they were Children
-Not display his characteristic Spider-man wit
-Never Meeting Gwen Stacy
-Flash Thomson dissapearing after highschool
-Doc Ock being a nice guy and having the tenacles "mind control" him
-Doc Ock being Married
-Mary Jane acting nothing at all like her comic counterpart
-Mary Jane being the one thrown off the bridge instead of Gwen
-having Eddie Brock be a skinny reporter and look nothing like his comic counterpart
-Sandman killing Uncle Ben

That and more, the movies aren't as close to the comics as we think.

But even if the last two movies were perfect, if we were seeing this stuff coming out now, we shouldn't doubt simply because the last two movies were good? So, by that logic, if I ask a guy to draw me a picture of Superman, and this guy has drawn whatever I've asked him to before, and I see him start drawing Spider-man, I should just keep my mouth shut and watch him give me what I don't want because he did right the last two times?

I won't have blind faith in any movie even if it's predecessors were amazing. Just because a guy's done okay twice doesn't mean he won't mess up. And in my opinion, Rami has delivered good Spider-man movies, not great, and I don't like seeing what he's doing with the thrid.

are you trying to say that spidey3 is not looking so good? because if you are then I say your wrong because it's not true. sure these films aren't as close to the comics as we think but they sure have entertained us fans. I mean we begged sam for venom and we got him so we should be grateful. also if you think about it all these things that sam added in has made for great storyline don't you think?

 

[Infinity9999x]

1. harry shouldn't just step into his fathers suit just because he is suppose to (just in the films though). he should be able to think if his fathers suit has enough armor and has weapons on the suit. he must have thought that the suit he needed has to have more weapons on it to use for his advantage.

....yes he should. We're making movies about comics here, and comics have a history. Saving Harry shouldn't step into his father's suit because he does in the comics is like saying "Spider-man shouldn't be called Spider-man just because he is in the comics." Also, Harry was flunking high school science, how is he going to build a better suit then what his father already had?

2. harry also doesn't concentrate on which suit he is going to wear. he just chooses the suit that has the most weaponry on it.

Pretty much same reason as above. Harry isn't the genius his father was, how is he going to build a better suit then his fathers?

3. the main reason could be because he doesn't want to be on his fathers side right befor the final battle and decide he wants to wear the suit that his father wants him to. he must feel that he would be pleasing his father if he does that which is something he doesn't want to do once he gets on the good side. harry at the beginning of the film must decide he wants to use the suit that he supposedley made or just because...thats the suit he picked.

His dad is dead. He only imagines his dad is still alive. He can not be on anyones side but his own, his own brain makes him believe his father is still alive nothing more. And Like I've posted before in this thread and others, Harry should've worn the Goblin costume instead of what we're getting, because it's a big part of his character and physche.

now as for sam justifying it, it might make for people who are average movie-goers to understand harry more or else if he wore the goblin costume they would get confused. see what I'm saying?

Why would they get confused? Average movie goers have seen that Harry found his dad's stuff. They know he has a beef to pick with Peter, it's more confusing to show Harry finding his dad's outfit and then not using it and somehow producing something completley different.

 

[Infinity9999x]

are you trying to say that spidey3 is not looking so good? because if you are then I say your wrong because it's not true. sure these films aren't as close to the comics as we think but they sure have entertained us fans. I mean we begged sam for venom and we got him so we should be grateful. also if you think about it all these things that sam added in has made for great storyline don't you think?

I still think SM3 will be good, but like the past two films it won't be great because of the small things Raimi changes and makes different that hold the films down.

True, the SM movies have entertained me, but they've also annoyed me extremely. Why? Because they're so close to being really good. But then Sam goes and does stuff like not having Spider-man act like himself when in costume, completley changing MJ's character, making Doc Ock a nice guy instead of the true SOB he was in the comics, and now for some reason putting Harry in a second rate Goblin Costume.

So really, no I don't think any of the things Sam has added (story wise) has made the movies any better. When he stays true to the comics it's good, but when he adds something different, then no I don't think it's made the plot better.

Now, Sam has done wonderfully with the action sequences, and costumes amazing really, and when he doesn't change the general plot too far from the comics it's pretty good. I suppose I shouldn't say all the things Sam added have bugged me, the whole Fusion thing with Ock was fine, it's just what he did to Ock that bugged me.

So on a whole, no I haven't liked the things Raimi has added plot wise.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

....yes he should. We're making movies about comics here, and comics have a history. Saving Harry shouldn't step into his father's suit because he does in the comics is like saying "Spider-man shouldn't be called Spider-man just because he is in the comics." Also, Harry was flunking high school science, how is he going to build a better suit then what his father already had?


Pretty much same reason as above. Harry isn't the genius his father was, how is he going to build a better suit then his fathers?


His dad is dead. He only imagines his dad is still alive. He can not be on anyones side but his own, his own brain makes him believe his father is still alive nothing more. And Like I've posted before in this thread and others, Harry should've worn the Goblin costume instead of what we're getting, because it's a big part of his character and physche.



Why would they get confused? Average movie goers have seen that Harry found his dad's stuff. They know he has a beef to pick with Peter, it's more confusing to show Harry finding his dad's outfit and then not using it and somehow producing something completley different.

My first thought was that oscorp made the glider and suit or maybe even Norman did. I understand his brain makes him belive his father is alive which is because harry goes nuts. I myself wants to know why sam chose a new suit for harry, I want to know the main reason and I personally think it will be a good one.


oh and just for comic book and movie harry. just remember, it's not AS bad as you think it will be.....trust me. same event happening, just different costume.

 

[Doomriderr666]

AHhh this thread has grown tiresome and pointless along with the endless Venom thread. Comic book movies are different from the actual comic books, theres not much left to say

 

[Infinity9999x]

Oh, I know that Harry will probably be mostly in character for the movie, it's Just that I believe him donning the Goblin Suit is a big part of his character, and there really isn't a good reason for him not to be in the suit aside from the fact that Raimi wanted to change it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oh, I know that Harry will probably be mostly in character for the movie, it's Just that I believe him donning the Goblin Suit is a big part of his character, and there really isn't a good reason for him not to be in the suit aside from the fact that Raimi wanted to change it.

well you have to realize that it won't really affect harrys character in the films. I mean sure he could have worn the Green Goblin costume but would have it been the best of ideas? no entirley, I'm sure sam has a good reason why he chose a different suit for harry and personally I really like harrys suit.

AHhh this thread has grown tiresome and pointless along with the endless Venom thread. Comic book movies are different from the actual comic books, theres not much left to say

exactly, there will always be things in comic book films that are not in the actual comic book and in this case harry wearing a different suit. it's still okay with me as long as he will look kickass in the suit! and it makes for great action sequences and I think it will. also for those of you who think I am sucking up to sam is just wrong, because I know harrys suit will work out perfectly like I think it has and will.

 

[Infinity9999x]

well you have to realize that it won't really affect harrys character in the films. I mean sure he could have worn the Green Goblin costume but would have it been the best of ideas? no entirley, I'm sure sam has a good reason why he chose a different suit for harry and personally I really like harrys suit.

You have a point, I don't think it will effect Harry's character in the movie that much, but would wearing the suit have been a good idea? Absolutley. There's no reason he shouldn't be wearing it other then the fact that Sam decided to do something different.

exactly, there will always be things in comic book films that are not in the actual comic book and in this case harry wearing a different suit. it's still okay with me as long as he will look kickass in the suit! and it makes for great action sequences and I think it will. also for those of you who think I am sucking up to sam is just wrong, because I know harrys suit will work out perfectly like I think it has and will.

Yes, adaptations will always be different, but does that mean that the characters can be drastically changed? One can still try to keep a movie as close to the source material as possilbe. Look at Sin City, or even LOTR (and while LOTR did stray in many places, at least it kept it's main characters very, very much like their book counterparts).

Just because movies are a different medium, it doesn't automatically mean that a director should go "hey, I can screw things around the way I want it, because a movie is going to be different then a comic!"


Now, in all honesty, is Harry's suit going to bother me so much that it'll ruin the movie for me? No, while I'm watching the movie I'll be caught up in fanboy delight, but it'll still be one of those little annoyances to me.....like trying to sleep with a mosquito near your ear.

 

[chaseter]

^HAHA...I like your analogy at the end. It won't ruin the movie for me either. When I walk out...I will be like "DAMN!" and then get back in line again to see it over. But I know I will say..."I wish Harry would have been a little different." I mean seeing walk into his father's secret lair in SM2 with all that equipment and the mask staring right at you...it was great. And then we get the first screens of Harry for SM3 and I was like WTF!?!?!?!? I will get over it but I just don't understand why Sam did it and like I said before...he better explain why Harry looks this way in the movie.

 

[Venom 1988]

1. harry shouldn't just step into his fathers suit just because he is suppose to (just in the films though). he should be able to think if his fathers suit has enough armor and has weapons on the suit. he must have thought that the suit he needed has to have more weapons on it to use for his advantage.

He could have easily updated the old suit, instead of making one from scratch.

2. harry also doesn't concentrate on which suit he is going to wear. he just chooses the suit that has the most weaponry on it.

If thats the case as you are saying, then he wouldnt even bother making a new suit and just take the GG suit.

now as for sam justifying it, it might make for people who are average movie-goers to understand harry more or else if he wore the goblin costume they would get confused. see what I'm saying?

How would they get confused? They saw that at the end of SM2 that he finds the Goblin lair with the suit and all the weapons, so they would totally get why he has the same or updated version of the GG suit.

Anyway Im not saying I dont like his new suit. As an individual idea it looks pretty cool, but as a goblin suit it looks like crap. Still Im gonna enjoy the movie, despite these annoyances.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

He could have easily updated the old suit, instead of making one from scratch.

maybe harry felt like the suit asn't good enough for him or it didn't look like it matched the way he would fight.

If thats the case as you are saying, then he wouldnt even bother making a new suit and just take the GG suit.

harry could have wanted a different suit because he just didn't want to use the goblin suit or because he wanted to make a new suit from scratch so he could add what he wants to a suit. makes sense doesn't it? there are plenty of reasons why he chose to make his own suit, maybe he made a new suit that could let him be more flexible and not so bunched up.

 

[Overman27pj]

only a couple of months now...

 

[jmk_4000]

well the reason why the costume is diffrent is because they didnt want to be repeitive.

long live venom

 

[The Shape]

Harry doesn't need to wear the Goblin suit because he is not trying to be the Green Goblin. It's as simple as that, people. His goal is to avenge his father by destroying Peter/Spider-man, and his father's technology is providing him with the means to do so.

That's it. He won't be parading around attacking innocent people. Harry is going after Peter. The only reason he's being called the New Goblin is simply because of the similarities in technology between him and Norman, and I'm willing to bet that he's given that name by the Bugle. Even in the footage we've seen with Harry talking to "Norman". We see Normal telling him, "Avenge me." He doesn't go, "BECOME THE GREEN GOBLIN AS I DID!" Yes, this is different from the comics, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Harry is not wearing his father's suit. And the only reason we have toys of the original Goblin is because they are creating an extensive villain lineup, with Kraven, Rhino, and others. So everyone needs to chill on this.

 

[He-Man]

I still think he's going to show up for the battle royal with the original GG suit on.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Harry doesn't need to wear the Goblin suit because he is not trying to be the Green Goblin. It's as simple as that, people. His goal is to avenge his father by destroying Peter/Spider-man, and his father's technology is providing him with the means to do so.

That's it. He won't be parading around attacking innocent people. Harry is going after Peter. The only reason he's being called the New Goblin is simply because of the similarities in technology between him and Norman, and I'm willing to bet that he's given that name by the Bugle. Even in the footage we've seen with Harry talking to "Norman". We see Normal telling him, "Avenge me." He doesn't go, "BECOME THE GREEN GOBLIN AS I DID!" Yes, this is different from the comics, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Harry is not wearing his father's suit. And the only reason we have toys of the original Goblin is because they are creating an extensive villain lineup, with Kraven, Rhino, and others. So everyone needs to chill on this.

exactly my point. I mean if harry was out to kill innocent people and peter then yes I could see him wearing the goblin costume but in this case no. harry in the film isn't meant to be the green goblin either, he just puts on the suit he made and tries to get revenge. I could see harry wearing the goblin costume if he was phsyco but he's not that sick in the head.

 

[Venom 1988]

harry in the film isn't meant to be the green goblin either, he just puts on the suit he made and tries to get revenge.

And thats the exact reason why he became the Green Goblin in the comics. So your point is null. Just admit it, the only possible reason why hes not the GG in the movie is from a marketing standpoint. Storywise it doesnt make sense for him to not be the GG.

I could see harry wearing the goblin costume if he was phsyco but he's not that sick in the head.

Then seeing images of your dead father talking to you is quite normal I guess.