The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Beanjuice]

I agree, but the question was if he was a crazy before the scarring, not before the Joker came along..and I believe he was right on the brink

I think thats why he looked in so much pain whn he saw that the coin was burned on one side. almost like he realized what him and the coin both having one side torn apart really ment

 

[Simon Phoenix]

I think thats why he looked in so much pain whn he saw that the coin was burned on one side. almost like he realized what him and the coin both having one side torn apart really ment

right..he always identified himself with the coin...the scarring of himself and the coin hit it to an extreme to where he has the coin decide for him

 

[DACrowe]

While Joker stole the movie, I thought the movie really belonged to Harvey Dent. I do not mind the change of origin, because of the suspense and him hearing Rachel as she died worked very well. It just was tragic and the movie made it seem like a necessary change.

The end is also fine. Two-Face died a tragic death. While I kind of wish he'd live for another movie, he did what Two-Face was really all about (revenge killing with the chance of coin flip) and the ending of the trio was truly tragic. I'm glad we never saw him become a petty thief or mobster which I always thought was lame.

This is IMO the best depiction of Dent/Two-Face and that includes The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. There!

 

[Simon Phoenix]

While Joker stole the movie, I thought the movie really belonged to Harvey Dent. I do not mind the change of origin, because of the suspense and him hearing Rachel as she died worked very well. It just was tragic and the movie made it seem like a necessary change.

The end is also fine. Two-Face died a tragic death. While I kind of wish he'd live for another movie, he did what Two-Face was really all about (revenge killing with the chance of coin flip) and the ending of the trio was truly tragic. I'm glad we never saw him become a petty thief or mobster which I always thought was lame.

This is IMO the best depiction of Dent/Two-Face and that includes The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. There!

I agree with everything you say..except I'd have TLH and TDK Two-Face tied and Dark Victory Coming behind

 

[TLH]

Aaron Eckhart did such a fantastic job as Harvey Dent/Two-Face and yet has been and probably always will be overshadowed by Ledger's Joker, who was fantastic nonetheless. I thought Two-Face owned the movie (for me) but that's because he is my personal favorite.

Some people may not agree with the fate he is given in the film but as one of the character's biggest fans I thought he was (1) superbly written; (2) perfectly cast and acted; (3) looked completely gruesome...like from The Long Halloween; and (4) was handled with the focus in character development that really brought his character home.

Bravo, Aaron Eckhart. You did my favorite character proud.

 

[Saint]

He just kills...ok.

If Dent died (and I think it's at least feasible that he didn't, and Batman and Gordon covered it up as part of their plan), the only thing that bothers me is that it wasn't dealt with. If it was an accident, that would have been fine. I recall you once said you'd be interested to see Batman deal with having caused an accidental death. If Batman didn't intend to do it, but recognized it as a possibility, that might have worked as well. But it just wasn't addressed. I would like to believe that's because he wasn't dead, but it seems unlikely.

I imagine they just felt dealing with it would have disrupted the ending.

 

[The Guard]

I'm fine with the "open ending", but they implied pretty heavily that he was dead. Regardless of whether or not he's dead, Batman took yet another risk that could have endangered or killed someone. Did he really think tackling Dent and the kid off a ledge was the best way to save the kid?

 

[bunk]

I still don't understand why they felt the need to pin Two-Face's killings on Batman. I get that it plays into Batman being the "outcast", and I like where it could take the story but it doesn't really make that much sense to me. If they're going to lie to the public about who killed these people; why not just say it was some unknown criminal? If you're going to cover it all up, why not craft a story that benefits everyone?

 

[Gridiron]

Dent's legacy needed to be remembered as a good one and people would easily believe it was Batman as opposed to just some guy on the street.

 

[bunk]

They could've easily blamed it on one of Joker's thugs. I don't see what would be so unbelievable about that.

 

[Mdizzle]

I still don't understand why they felt the need to pin Two-Face's killings on Batman. I get that it plays into Batman being the "outcast", and I like where it could take the story but it doesn't really make that much sense to me. If they're going to lie to the public about who killed these people; why not just say it was some unknown criminal? If you're going to cover it all up, why not craft a story that benefits everyone?

If anything I think it was to emphasize the sacrifice that must be made on Batman's part...and also the idea of being the "hero" that Gotham needs, as opposed to being the "perfect hero"...i think it worked better to have Batman step up and offer to take the rap - it would almost have been too convenient to do otherwise ("let's just blame it on some random thug!"). I think it adds to his character and the whole "dark knight" theme of the movie.

 

[anrrd_2]

perhaps its to make criminals fear him even more.....ther have been times in the comics when criminals have even said to him "what are you going to do? everyone knows the bat dont kill"....now in nolans world they think he does.

 

[DunDun]

I dont think bat ment to kill face. He was just doing his job. Kinda of like when he was blowing up cars etc.

 

[Ratatat]

Ok after seeing it again last night (3rd time in IMAX) I have different thoughts on Two-Face's fate.

At first I was convinced Harvey was dead and if he wasn't it would seem Batman's sacrifice at the end would've been for nothing.

This is where I changed my perspective: Yes, I believe Harvey Dent is dead... not Two-Face. I do think that in the next movie Two-Face will be back. He will be hell-bent on making Batman/Gordon/Gotham/Joker? suffer for what they did to his life.

Batman is now seen as the public enemy and I believe that Two-Face will re-emerge and the people of Gotham will see who he has turned into and it will be up to Batman to stop him and show Gotham who their true hero is!

 

[bunk]

perhaps its to make criminals fear him even more.....ther have been times in the comics when criminals have even said to him "what are you going to do? everyone knows the bat dont kill"....now in nolans world they think he does.

That's certainly a useful byproduct of Batman taking the blame. On the other hand, now he's no longer the inspiration to the people he was before.

 

[Mdizzle]

^^it will be interesting to see how they deal with this in the third installment.

btw, love your avvy!

 

[anrrd_2]

heh...nom nom nom...classic

 

[anrrd_2]

That's certainly a useful byproduct of Batman taking the blame. On the other hand, now he's no longer the inspiration to the people he was before.

imo batmans always been more concerned about being a nightmare to the criminals than an inspiration to the masses. after all, he has turned away people who have been so inspired by him that they decided to immulate him.

 

[ct joker]

why cant harvey be alive?? i mean it was the same fall that batman took and batman got up and friggen ran away lol why couldnt harvey have been just taken away arrested and taken to arkham and they held a fake funeral to cover up that he turned sour...i mean gordon faked his death...we dont actually see twoface in a casket or anything we just see a speech and photo....i think two face could def make an apperance in the next installment...and he could be pissed off and explain that he didnt die that he did infact do all those horrible things and the police and batman covered it up to, no pun intended save face for harvey. to make him look good still when really he's not anymore. I think two face should make his comeback in the 3rd movie...it seems right..him and riddler..yes like that other batman movie but this version would be better nolan was a great twoface the look was awesome and i think with the right riddler...

 

[DACrowe]

Because the movie said so.

 

[anrrd_2]

maybe because batman is wearing 25 pounds worth of body armor? honestly i would like to see him return but perhaps in the end its best that this was it.

 

[omid17]

I haven't seen the movie yet , but im going to soon. If Harvey Dies, i doubt there's a chance he'll come back some how, i mean remeber the clip they showed online where the guys say's something like " i thought you were dead", that would be stupid if they said some line like that in Batman 3, since we've already heard that line before, so that's why imo Harvey ain't coming back

 

[Mdizzle]

I want to feel like anything's possible...that we may see Harvey in the next movie. The logistics re: his fall notwithstanding, I think this is a possibility plot-wise, just because the good-guy-turned-bad routine wasn't explored to its fullest in TDK...his turn as Two-Face could certainly continue. I think we pretty much saw him "fall/die" (however you want to interpret it) having chosen to cross the line; perhaps if they bring him back, he could have a similar choice to come back to morality/law and order at some point...like the coin flip, he could go either way.

Anyway, I liked what Nolan did with his character and would have no complaints about him making an appearance next movie.

 

[Mdizzle]

double post

 

[The Caped Knight]

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