The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[0neW0manSh0w]

Ok after seeing it again last night (3rd time in IMAX) I have different thoughts on Two-Face's fate.

At first I was convinced Harvey was dead and if he wasn't it would seem Batman's sacrifice at the end would've been for nothing.

This is where I changed my perspective: Yes, I believe Harvey Dent is dead... not Two-Face. I do think that in the next movie Two-Face will be back. He will be hell-bent on making Batman/Gordon/Gotham/Joker? suffer for what they did to his life.

Batman is now seen as the public enemy and I believe that Two-Face will re-emerge and the people of Gotham will see who he has turned into and it will be up to Batman to stop him and show Gotham who their true hero is!

I TOTALLLY AGREE!

 

[coleyhinson]

Dont flame me if this has been discussed...something i noticed today...my fourth time... There was confusion on how many people he killed... Next time you see it... watch the scene when Maroni is gettin in his car...the scene where two face is waitin for him...if you look to the left...one of Maroni's goons is grabbed and pulled of screen... So i assume he is killed.

 

[cryptic name]

I'm fine with the "open ending", but they implied pretty heavily that he was dead. Regardless of whether or not he's dead, Batman took yet another risk that could have endangered or killed someone. Did he really think tackling Dent and the kid off a ledge was the best way to save the kid?

he was going to shoot the kid, what would you have done?

 

[The Caped Knight]

1. Aaron Eckhart - THE DARK KNIGHT

2. Richard Moll - BATMAN : The Animated Series

3. Tommy Lee Jones - Batman Forever

Finally Harvey Dent/Two-Face get's an accurate in-depth portrayal in a live action film . Aaron was beyond good. He is spectacular in the role. I'm so glad Nolan didn't introduce him in Batman Begins (like him & Goyer originally planed). Because we really wouldn't have work as well as it turned out . Both The Viral Marketing & The film really explored The Rise & Tragic Fall of Harvey Dent in many layers . You Actually felt sadden by Dent fall from Grace in this film . And Nolan doesn't stop their , Instead of just making him the typical Bad guy . Nolan makes Two-Face a Vigilante . (Who goes after all the Criminals & The Corrupted that have caused Injustice ) . This Two-Face/Harvey Dent is on the same level as Bruce Timm & Alan Burnett from Batman : The Animated Series .

Where Schumacher failed with Tommy Lee Jones (As a Campy Joker like version of Two-Face) Nolan succeed with Aaron Eckhart (As a Serious version of The Classic Two-Face of the comics)

 

[CrimsonDeath]

If anything I think it was to emphasize the sacrifice that must be made on Batman's part...and also the idea of being the "hero" that Gotham needs, as opposed to being the "perfect hero"...i think it worked better to have Batman step up and offer to take the rap - it would almost have been too convenient to do otherwise ("let's just blame it on some random thug!"). I think it adds to his character and the whole "dark knight" theme of the movie.

Not only that, but remember that Bruce was going to turn himself in to the authorities, and what happens? Harvey takes the blame for being Batman, becoming a walking target to all even more so than before and why? Because Harvey believed in what Batman stood for, perhaps even more than Bruce at the moment....

Similarly, Batman realizes that he must take the blame to protect what Harvey Dent stood for, because Batman believed in what Harvey stood for, the good in the people of Gotham standing up against crime despite the cost, as those in the ferries demonstrated. Batman cannot let Dent's corruption be known. He takes the blame to control the evidence and make sure of it.

It's a reciprocality in theme, it's great to see the movie again and find all these little nuggets of gold.

 

[The Chairman]

I could not have been more blown away by Eckhart's performance. Like Heath, Eckhart owned the part, and managed to portray Dent's transformation brilliantly. It's almost a shame how good Heath was, because I'd like to se Eckhart get some kind of award too.

 

[CaptainClown]

I love the violent outbursts that were developing as the movie progressed. Especially him threatening a mentally ill patient.

 

[The Guard]

he was going to shoot the kid, what would you have done?

If I'm Batman, armed with a ****ton of martial arts skills, gadgets, and psychological weapons?

I would have appealed to Dent's good side, and I would have disarmed him. You know, like Batman does. Often.

I'll give you a hint. I wouldn't have further endangered the child's life and Harvey's by tackling them both over the edge.

 

[Beanjuice]

yah either that or instead of a tackle toss a batarang at his head lol

 

[cryptic name]

If I'm Batman, armed with a ****ton of martial arts skills, gadgets, and psychological weapons?

I would have appealed to Dent's good side, and I would have disarmed him. You know, like Batman does. Often.

I'll give you a hint. I wouldn't have further endangered the child's life and Harvey's by tackling them both over the edge.

when you're 10 feet away from someone with a gun, martial arts ain't going to help ya. and he tried to appeal to harvey's good side, it got him shot. he possibly could have thrown a batarang, but that could have just as easily got the kid hurt

 

[Mr. Joker]

Truthfully, things worked out best as is, and I don't think good ol' Harvey is even dead.

Btw, I don't know about anyone else, but seeing Two-Face got me so amped up I wrote a whole new story.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Truthfully, things worked out best as is, and I don't think good ol' Harvey is even dead.

Btw, I don't know about anyone else, but seeing Two-Face got me so amped up I wrote a whole new story.

What are you talking about?

 

[Joe Kerr]

The joker's goal is to crush the city's hope right?

well the only 2 people who know about dent's fate other than batman, gordon, and gordon's family, are 1; Maroni (IF he's alive) and 2; Ramirez

If i was the joker, my first move would be to break out of Arkham and snub out maroni (if alive) and Ramirez, just so he could control what everyone knows, and reveal it to all of gotham.

 

[anrrd_2]

when you're 10 feet away from someone with a gun, martial arts ain't going to help ya. and he tried to appeal to harvey's good side, it got him shot. he possibly could have thrown a batarang, but that could have just as easily got the kid hurt

yes, but you seem to be forgeting something

Spoiler

 

[Crook]

when you're 10 feet away from someone with a gun, martial arts ain't going to help ya. and he tried to appeal to harvey's good side, it got him shot. he possibly could have thrown a batarang, but that could have just as easily got the kid hurt

Hmm, possibility of hurting the kid with a sharp object or possibly killing the kid from a fall. Decisions, decisions.

Take into account this is a movie, so whatever decision Batman would have made, Nolan obviously wouldn't let the kid get harmed. So in the context of the scene itself, I do think tackling Harv was one of the worst maneuvers when there's a kid hostage. But of course, Nolan probably planned on Harvey dying, so that was probably the best course of action for that to occur.

 

[Mr. Joker]

Dying from that fall....I doubt it. If Marooni could survive a fall at basically the same height, so could Two-Face.

 

[Nirvana]

Did Eckhart sign on for multiple films?

 

[anrrd_2]

^good question....im not sure

 

[StrainedEyes]

I had to create a whole new account to make my point after reading 47 pages of this dreck.

hopefully you guys can finish your petty squabbling over this plot point (aside from the fact that it was made quite clear in the film that he was dead).

here is a direct page from the official shooting script- There is no doubt at this point.

This was posted in the Fate of Two-Face thread.

It's a scan from The Dark Knight: Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Knight-F...bs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216760710&sr=8-4

Harvey Dent is no more.

 

[anrrd_2]

easily retconned....because the movie did not actually say "dent lies at the bottom of the hole. neck broken. DEAD"

 

[laudanum09]

and gordon says 'dies with harvey's reputation' not 'dies with harvey'. it may not have been purposefully left open but it the ambiguities can be used to bring him back. easily. and if the nolan bros are up to it, then im sure it will be 'logical' to some extent. and just the fact that they bring him on for a third film will be sure to please fans.

 

[StrainedEyes]

and gordon says 'dies with harvey's reputation' not 'dies with harvey'. it may not have been purposefully left open but it the ambiguities can be used to bring him back. easily. and if the nolan bros are up to it, then im sure it will be 'logical' to some extent. and just the fact that they bring him on for a third film will be sure to please fans.

He said that because he was talking about Harvey's reputation. The public's belief in Harvey wouldn't die with him, it would die when they found out what he did before he died.

That line isn't ambiguous at all, it makes sense.

 

[Doc Holliday]

He said that because he was talking about Harvey's reputation. The public's belief in Harvey wouldn't die with him, it would die when they found out what he did before he died.

That line isn't ambiguous at all, it makes sense.

I think what he meant by "ambiguous" is that it didn't say "Oh man, Harvey's dead, now we're screwed." It didn't clearly say that the man himself was dead, but rather that his reputation would be if word of his deeds got out, like you said.

 

[Megalith]

Two-Face's half-scarred suit was stupid as hell.

That is one thing that Nolan didn't have to stay true to.

 

[Crook]

How was it stupid?