The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Mr. Joker]

Yes, Nolan said so himself. And why are you using spoiler tags in a spoiler forum?

 

[The Spider-Bat]

So... it looks as if the leaked picture turned out to be exactly what we got. Guess those guys saying "it's concept art, it will look nothing like it" were wrong.

 

[Mr. Joker]

Hah, I'm glad they were. That look was amazing.

 

[The Spider-Bat]

Which brings me to a point, what did people think about the way Harvey was scarred? Obviously pretty different from the comics and more of an accident than anything. Oh, and yes, the big debate, no acid.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

I think it plays well...and we did get a nod with the court scene in the beginning

 

[Mister J]

I enjoy the symbolism of Harvey being scarred in the courtroom. It's where he crusades for justice; where he comes to prominence and makes his strongest stance for Gotham City. There's something striking about the irony presented when that place becomes what turns him into a villain.

TDK sorta took a route similar to BTAS, which worked in the context of the film. However, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping there'd be another courtroom scene, this time with Maroni in the witness chair, where the attempt to harm Dent was successful. In the scene with Rossi, I thought Nolan was setting up parallelism to follow later on.

Of course, if this were this case, the third act of the film would have needed to be tweaked. Two Face's crusade would have taken a different form and the 'fate of the triumvirate' parallel structure that was set up would have fallen favor to something else. I can't really complain because I'm thrilled with the end result. Naturally, there was a way to incorporate the comics origin. I would have preferred it, but I'm not left feeling empty that it was omitted. The main conveyance is preserved.

 

[DeaDheaD]

I like different approach Nolan continues to take, it kind of doesn't allowyou to be complacent and say, "I read the comic book, I know what happens, I'll just wait till the dvd comes out"

 

[Zmoker]

It's also worth bearing in mind that the randomness of the accident (well, of sorts ... ) is more inkeeping with Harvey's perverse philosophy of his life, for good or ill, just being total chance.

Not much chance involved in mobster's deliberately scarring him in his coutrroom.

 

[Kaiser]

there is 454 pages so this may already be here. did anyone notice at the end of the movie that when Harvey flipped the coin for Batman it was the good heads. Harvey decided to shoot Bats anyways. He broke his compulsion to obey the coin cause he just really wanted to shoot Batman.

Deff. the good heads. Anyone who says otherwise needs to get their eyes checked. It was clear as day.

 

[The Spider-Bat]

It's also worth bearing in mind that the randomness of the accident (well, of sorts ... ) is more inkeeping with Harvey's perverse philosophy of his life, for good or ill, just being total chance.

Not much chance involved in mobster's deliberately scarring him in his coutrroom.

That's actually a very good point, didn't think about it that way.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

Deff. the good heads. Anyone who says otherwise needs to get their eyes checked. It was clear as day.

yea I thought I saw that too...I kinda shruged it off thinking maybe it was the lighting glare off the coin or something...

 

[David Rice]

there is 454 pages so this may already be here. did anyone notice at the end of the movie that when Harvey flipped the coin for Batman it was the good heads. Harvey decided to shoot Bats anyways. He broke his compulsion to obey the coin cause he just really wanted to shoot Batman.

No, it was the bad side. He didn't brake his compulsion.

 

[DSET]

Which brings me to a point, what did people think about the way Harvey was scarred? Obviously pretty different from the comics and more of an accident than anything. Oh, and yes, the big debate, no acid.

I thought it was great
i like the fact that it was an accident, it adds to the theme of two face in the movie.Also it makes alot more sense than acid, but the little bit of sense it gained was lost with the way they designed his eye, thats the only area of the face that should have been fixed for sorry to say it but realism. But overall I thought he looked fine.

 

[Spoonman]

Ok guys waybe this topic was already discussed in past pages but anyway I have a serious question here. Was Harvey already a wacko before the scaring? you see a scene of him flipping the coin againts that criminal on hes knees..but if I remember correclty Batman arrives and distracts Harvey and he doesn't get to do anything about the criminal, what was that scene all about?

 

[Simon Phoenix]

yes...Harvey is supposed to be on the brink of crazy and the events of his scarring pushes him over the edge

 

[thisisbonertown]

Ok guys waybe this topic was already discussed in past pages but anyway I have a serious question here. Was Harvey already a wacko before the scaring? you see a scene of him flipping the coin againts that criminal on hes knees..but if I remember correclty Batman arrives and distracts Harvey and he doesn't get to do anything about the criminal, what was that scene all about?

He was trying to intimidate the guy into talking, and left the guy's fate into a coin toss - heads you live, tails you die. Of course, as we know, it's a trick coin with both sides being heads. He never planned on killing the guy to begin with.

 

[SuperBatman]

No, it was the bad side. He didn't brake his compulsion.

It was the bad side. Look at that scene again and Look how clear it is when Harvey flips the coin for himself. When he flips the coin for Batman it's kinda black and dirty so it was the bad side.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

He was trying to intimidate the guy into talking, and left the guy's fate into a coin toss - heads you live, tails you die. Of course, as we know, it's a trick coin with both sides being heads. He never planned on killing the guy to begin with.

but Harvey isn't supposed to be the type of guy to essentially kidnap someone and possibly torture him into saying what he wants to hear...we don't know for sure what would have happened had Batman not shown up...Harvey might have done something worse than a threat had he more time

 

[StrainedEyes]

What exactly was Harvey trying to do with the oil drums before Batman came in to save him?

 

[SuperBatman]

You know I kinda wish that scene played out diffrently because if Harvey killed that guy it would show hints of Harvey's Split Personality traits.

 

[SuperBatman]

What exactly was Harvey trying to do with the oil drums before Batman came in to save him?

Think he was trying to find something to cut himself loose with. Rachael was asking do you see a knife or anything that can help you.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

What exactly was Harvey trying to do with the oil drums before Batman came in to save him?

not really sure

 

[StrainedEyes]

Think he was trying to find something to cut himself loose with. Rachael was asking do you see a knife or anything that can help you.

But he thought he was going to die, I don't think he was interested in finding a knife.

 

[thisisbonertown]

but Harvey isn't supposed to be the type of guy to essentially kidnap someone and possibly torture him into saying what he wants to hear...we don't know for sure what would have happened had Batman not shown up...Harvey might have done something worse than a threat had he more time

Which is one of many points of that scene. It reinforces the notion that the Joker could get someone to abandon their morals and ethics if pushed far enough - in this case, trying to keep Rachel safe from harm. I still believe he wouldn't kill the guy, but if he causes injury to the guy, it would tarnish his white knight image, and with it, Gotham goes down the drain.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

I agree, but the question was if he was a crazy before the scarring, not before the Joker came along..and I believe he was right on the brink