The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Agentsands77]

No reviewer has pointed it out as being a detriment to the film, which says a great deal about how they handled it.

Indeed. The central guy claiming this end states that it's a strong dramatic choice that feels right.

 

[TLBorlando]

Only one, and it was almost an off-hand mention.

No reviewer has pointed it out as being a detriment to the film, which says a great deal about how they handled it.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the rumored fate of Two-Face. His screentime would be comparable to time spent as Two-Face in The Long Halloween.

The way I see it and heard it is

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The Batman goes on the run and takes credit for the lives that Harvey Two-Face took. He does that in order to protect Harvey Dent's hero legacy. Why would The Batman protect the legacy of Harvey Two-Face if he's still alive and killing people? I believe certain citizens have seen Harvey after his accident, so people know what he looks like.

 

[Agentsands77]

The way I see it and heard it is

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The Batman goes on the run and takes credit for the lives that Harvey Two-Face took. He does that in order to protect Harvey Dent's hero legacy. Why would The Batman protect the legacy of Harvey Two-Face if he's still alive and killing people? I believe certain citizens have seen Harvey after his accident, so people know what he looks like.

That's what I've heard, too.

At any rate, this revelation seemingly goes hand-in-hand with themovieblog's comments about THE DARK KNIGHT's final section.

 

[turtlefocker]

so this movie is kind of like one full movie then 30 minutes of another movie..?

 

[BatMatt]

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I sure hope Two-Face isn't dead for certain by the end of the movie. To create an arc as deep as they are within TDK and only to have a major side to Dent's character eliminated after 30 minutes would be a complete waste. Why such a build up for a 'cameo?'

 

[Agentsands77]

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I sure hope Two-Face isn't dead for certain by the end of the movie. To create an arc as deep as they are within TDK and only to have a major side to Dent's character eliminated after 30 minutes would be a complete waste. Why such a build up for a 'cameo?'

To be entirely honest, the most important section of Two Face is his origin and immediate appearance thereafter. Once you've covered that ground, as THE DARK KNIGHT does, you've pretty much used up most of Two Face's potential as a character.

 

[Figs]

Sorry if this has already been brought up or mentioned but I was looking at that better pic of Dent holding his coin. This one where you can see someone who appears to be kneeling down in front of him.

Someone had mentioned an idea/rumour that near the end of the film there is a

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scene where you find out that Harvey had the split personalities/schizo problem the whole time and that he was going around taking out mobsters before he even becomes Two Face. They said something about it playing out like a montage sort of like the end of The Usual Suspects, where it does a quick flash of "behind the scenes" showing Dent's evil deeds. I'm starting to wonder, if that is true and this is a big IF. That pic you can't tell if he has a gun in his other hand...and why would the guy be kneeling?

Just curious and intrigued so don't jump on me thinking I believe this is fact or truth.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

I think the origin of two face in this film was well done.

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Man Of Mass Destruction

 

[DSET]

Sorry if this has already been brought up or mentioned but I was looking at that better pic of Dent holding his coin. This one where you can see someone who appears to be kneeling down in front of him.

Someone had mentioned an idea/rumour that near the end of the film there is a

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scene where you find out that Harvey had the split personalities/schizo problem the whole time and that he was going around taking out mobsters before he even becomes Two Face. They said something about it playing out like a montage sort of like the end of The Usual Suspects, where it does a quick flash of "behind the scenes" showing Dent's evil deeds. I'm starting to wonder, if that is true and this is a big IF. That pic you can't tell if he has a gun in his other hand...and why would the guy be kneeling?

Just curious and intrigued so don't jump on me thinking I believe this is fact or truth.

that would b frigggin sick

 

[Figs]

that would b frigggin sick

Holy ****!!!!

I forgot, I compared the possible montage to Usual Suspects but just remember two things!!

Nolan did a montage just like that at the end of The Prestige and a reviewer or two had mentioned that TDK has a very Prestige "moment" in it.

Now I'm starting to think it's actually true.

 

[Anita18]

Sorry if this has already been brought up or mentioned but I was looking at that better pic of Dent holding his coin. This one where you can see someone who appears to be kneeling down in front of him.

Someone had mentioned an idea/rumour that near the end of the film there is a

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scene where you find out that Harvey had the split personalities/schizo problem the whole time and that he was going around taking out mobsters before he even becomes Two Face. They said something about it playing out like a montage sort of like the end of The Usual Suspects, where it does a quick flash of "behind the scenes" showing Dent's evil deeds. I'm starting to wonder, if that is true and this is a big IF. That pic you can't tell if he has a gun in his other hand...and why would the guy be kneeling?

Just curious and intrigued so don't jump on me thinking I believe this is fact or truth.

Ehhhh, it would depend on how they handle it. In interviews, they've been adamant that Harvey really has to be the good guy and have good intentions.

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Not to say that he shouldn't have a dark side at all - we should see that there is some anger there that reflects Batman's own anger, but he shouldn't cross that line entirely until he becomes Two-Face

Eh, what do I know, though?

 

[Figs]

Ehhhh, it would depend on how they handle it. In interviews, they've been adamant that Harvey really has to be the good guy and have good intentions.

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Not to say that he shouldn't have a dark side at all - we should see that there is some anger there that reflects Batman's own anger, but he shouldn't cross that line entirely until he becomes Two-Face

Eh, what do I know, though?

I understand where your coming from and being a fan of the comics it would take away from the Harvey we know from the comics. It would be more like the Big Bad Harv from the animated series, which I never really cared for.

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I do remember a review(and I'm almost 100% positive it was the guy from Rottentomatoes. If you go to his thread you'll see I was posting shortly after he put it up and I even asked him a question.) He had said there is a "very Prestige moment" in the film. I'm really starting to think this is how it's going to pan out.

Nolan is going to make everyone think Dent is this White Knight with no corruption. Then Bam! At the end he throws everyone for a loop.

Although it would take away from the "tragic" downfall of his character I still think it would be a damn good shocker for the general audience who don't know the character that well.

 

[ronny]

So, with Two-Face we're getting a Long Halloween style character? He does "what needs to be done". Namely killing people he couldn't even send to jail before.
Makes a lot more sense than Face The Face. I mean, he went to a zoo for Gods sake. Two-Face isn't really a criminal, he's a vigilante with a messianic complex. he still thinks that he can clean up Gotham. The interesting thing will be to see him lose all sense and start to believe that Batman, Dawes and Gordon are just as corrupt as everyone else. Because with this character I get the impression that he feels everybody is at fault but himself. Harvey Dent - and Harvey Dent alone - will cleanse Gotham of the freaks and the crooked and make it a nice place. But the reality is that he's shooting people on something as trivial as a flip of a coin.
He's not a bank robber and he's not a common crook. Same ultimate goals but warped and confusing methods. That's Two-Face.
Oh, he's a great character. Can't wait to see him.

 

[FinchersGhost]

so this movie is kind of like one full movie then 30 minutes of another movie..?

In one dude's opinion, yes.

 

[BatoutofHell]

One, it said "A prestige moment" which is just a "moment" that really steps it up. Not referencing the movie, but if you want to use that movie, sort of like Cutter's description of a magic trick. The Prestige, the 'Wow' moment.

You know, when he turns Teller around and the card is in his mask type moment.

Also, I think it ruins his downfall if hes bad all along. If he is, so what? Big deal. No downfall, the guy was bad the whole time. He needs to be the savior with problems who turns into Two Face.

 

[Rikxiepoo]

I will actually be glad,

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if proven true, that they killed Two-Face and not the Joker. Two-Face is supposed to be a vigilante in this film, and that only works for as long as he has people that are still alive that he wants dead. The Joker, on the other hand, can stir up all kinds of plans for causing chaos in Gotham, regardless of who is alive. If Two-Face served his purpose in this film by getting his revenge, then there is no use for him in sequels. Otherwise the whole "revenge" thing would get redundant.

 

[BatoutofHell]

I will actually be glad,

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if proven true, that they killed Two-Face and not the Joker. Two-Face is supposed to be a vigilante in this film, and that only works for as long as he has people that are still alive that he wants dead. The Joker, on the other hand, can stir up all kinds of plans for causing chaos in Gotham, regardless of who is alive. If Two-Face served his purpose in this film by getting his revenge, then there is no use for him in sequels. Otherwise the whole "revenge" thing would get redundant.

But thinking beyond TDK, what would you rather have, Eckhart reprising his role as Two Face, a recast Joker, or an entirely new villain? I'm in favor, and I think this is whats going to happen, of Two Face sharing BB3 with another villain, which according to Oldman will be the Riddler.

 

[Rincewind]

But thinking beyond TDK, what would you rather have, Eckhart reprising his role as Two Face, a recast Joker, or an entirely new villain? I'm in favor, and I think this is whats going to happen, of Two Face sharing BB3 with another villain, which according to Oldman will be the Riddler.

Sorry, but... what? Have I missed something?

Sorry if this has already been brought up or mentioned but I was looking at that better pic of Dent holding his coin. This one where you can see someone who appears to be kneeling down in front of him.

...and why would the guy be kneeling?

Well, there was a part in the sides, where a "Cop" is interrogating a "Thug" in some basement and shoots his knee caps. I'm not saying that this is the same scene for sure, but I think that it's a possibility. At least so far, the sides have been proven to be truthful.

 

[BatoutofHell]

Sorry, but... what? Have I missed something?




Well, there was a part in the sides, where a "Cop" is interrogating a "Thug" in some basement and shoots his knee caps. I'm not saying that this is the same scene for sure, but I think that it's a possibility. At least so far, the sides have been proven to be truthful.

Indeed. There is a board here devoted to sequels. Venture into said board and all will be revealed to you.

 

[Nightmare]

The Riddler :

 

[Rikxiepoo]

But thinking beyond TDK, what would you rather have, Eckhart reprising his role as Two Face, a recast Joker, or an entirely new villain? I'm in favor, and I think this is whats going to happen, of Two Face sharing BB3 with another villain, which according to Oldman will be the Riddler.

Since Ledger cannot reprise his Joker role, I would rather love to see the Mad Hatter in the big screen. Hes a better villain than the Riddler in my opinion.

 

[Ironfan72]

I believe Two-face is such a great character and should b explored more, he shouldn't be religated to a second tire thug, I didn't like how he was handled in Batman Forever, very comicbookie if that makes sense.
I guess you can tell Two-Face is my favorite villian and I don't care to hear they kill him off because they essentilly don't have any other ideas of how to use him, if so why show Two-face so soon, use Ekhart to develop the character and relationship with Wayne in this movie and save Two-Face for the next film, so movie goers will feel more the Harvey as he becomes Two-Face.

 

[tw9876z]

i remember in ong halloween that dent was killing mobsters. i thought he did it atleast 3 times in the story.

and since that was a big surprise at the end, i wouldnt be surpised if they put it in the film

 

[blueblueblue]

Man... I mistakenly read a reviewer's comment on the fate of Two Face at IMDB. Came here to get it confirmed or denied and many denied it... until a day ago when these Two Face speculations came back.

****... I really hope that doesn't happen. If anything....

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I'd want him to be sent to Arkham for psychiatric help. Probably, a little corny and cliched, but I'd rather have that over Two Face dying... He's one of my favorite villains; most likely because Batman: TAS had tons of bad ass Two Face episodes.

I just hope all this speculation on the ending is a clever ruse by WB and co.

 

[hannya]

Regarding the villain in the next film, I wouldn't be surprised if we see WB making very strong suggestions to Nolan that he should start to "expand" the DC universe. They will have seen what Marvel is starting with their crossovers, and the dollar signs will be ker-chinging in their greedy eyes right now.
This is not necessarily a bad thing, but I have to hold my hands up and say I don't know enough about the DC universe to guess which non-Batman villain would fit... Anyways I still like the idea of a Phillip Seymour Hoffman Penguin tearing up the scenery.