The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[magus]

Harsh wrods. It's that he repeats the mistakes of the first franchise, doing something he says he didn't like about those movies. Seems a bit hypocritical anyway.

All we can do and hope it is just Harvey that is [blackout] dead [/blackout] and that we don't actually see a [blackout] body [/blackout]. I don't expect a shot of him standing next to Falcone's frozen body (Dark Victory) but the rest of the character arch seems very much in line with The Long Halloween and Dark Victory and I can only hope that it at least leaves the possibility of Two-Face's return open.

 

[regwec]

Spoiler

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie.

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So, no room for hope.

 

[magus]

Spoiler

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie.

.

So, no room for hope.

In the realm of fiction, no matter how "realistic" Nolan may be, there is always hope. It would take one hell of an explanation, but there is always hope. I hope...

 

[itsthebatman]

Spoiler

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie.

.

So, no room for hope.

[BLACKOUT]You're forgetting the autopsy scene where they crack open his skull, and then shoot shotgun rounds into his body just to see what happens.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Joe Kerr]

[BLACKOUT]You're forgetting the autopsy scene where they crack open his skull, and then shoot shotgun rounds into his body just to see what happens.[/BLACKOUT]

lmfao

 

[regwec]

Yeah, it seems like a particularly morbid episode of Itchy and Scratchy.

 

[regwec]

In the realm of fiction, no matter how "realistic" Nolan may be, there is always hope. It would take one hell of an explanation, but there is always hope. I hope...

The only hope I can see would involve a resurrection of the Daemon's Head, and some nefarious scheme involving Lazarus pits. Or the occult. But either would require a change of tac for the movies, and no doubt a different director.

 

[Clark Kent]

So I guess that's who the big funeral scenes were being shot for then, .

 

[magus]

The only hope I can see would involve a resurrection of the Daemon's Head, and some nefarious scheme involving Lazarus pits. Or the occult. But either would require a change of tac for the movies, and no doubt a different director.

I agree. I'm just trying to be optimistic.

 

[kooldude88]

come on guys cheer up, regard less, the movie is gettin stellar reviews so regardless, im just happy that goin into this thing, i no its gonna be a damn good movie no matter how the movie ends

 

[magus]

come on guys cheer up, regard less, the movie is gettin stellar reviews so regardless, im just happy that goin into this thing, i no its gonna be a damn good movie no matter how the movie ends

I agree with that too, but it is still disappointing to know that within this franchise we probably will not get to see the rogue gallery serialized in a way that it resembles the comics. That is quite a bit to ask for in an expensive film franchise but it would be fantastic to see the world grow into a continuity rather than just a slew of sequels, no matter how good they are. Regardless, I am sure I will love this film and won't find the director's choices completely unjustified.

 

[regwec]

How would we all feel if Batman died in this film, and was replaced by Nightwing? It might make for extremely poignant drama and an epic sweep of narrative, but we would be a little bit annoyed, no?

 

[Diablo101]

How would we all feel if Batman died in this film, and was replaced by Nightwing? It might make for extremely poignant drama and an epic sweep of narrative, but we would be a little bit annoyed, no?

Actually, I've been waiting for that to happen for the longest of times.

I would totally love to see Nightwing take control. Bring something fresh and new to the mythos.

I guess I'm part of the few who likes to see comic-book films try to EXPAND the mythos, not just recreate the mythos on screen.

 

[regwec]

It wouldn't be "expansion" if the central pillar were kicked away in favour of a supporting beam. That would just be "alteration". But thanks for your view- it's interesting that, for a lot of posters, the movies are "senior" to other Batman media.

 

[Diablo101]

It wouldn't be "expansion" if the central pillar were kicked away in favour of a supporting beam. That would just be "alteration". But thanks for your view- it's interesting that, for a lot of posters, the movies are "senior" to other Batman media.

It's not senior nor did I even imply that it is. It's on the same level. Get that through your close-minded head.

TV, animation, movie, comic-books....different medium, same level. No one medium is greater than the other.

If you want to be close-minded, fine. You're the loser that is going to be dissapoitned and upset while the rest of us are going to enjoy what is going to be a great addition to the Batman mythos.

 

[regwec]

Where was I being close minded? I interpreted a vague statement in a reasonably neutral fashion. And why would I be "disappointed" or "upset" about watching a movie? The movies are secondary, to me.

there's no need to be defensive or shrill, you know.

 

[namtaB]

It wouldn't be "expansion" if the central pillar were kicked away in favour of a supporting beam. That would just be "alteration". But thanks for your view- it's interesting that, for a lot of posters, the movies are "senior" to other Batman media.

It's not senior nor did I even imply that it is. It's on the same level. Get that through your close-minded head.

TV, animation, movie, comic-books....different medium, same level. No one medium is greater than the other.

If you want to be close-minded, fine. You're the loser that is going to be dissapoitned and upset while the rest of us are going to enjoy what is going to be a great addition to the Batman mythos.

Where was I being close minded? I interpreted a vague statement in a reasonably neutral fashion. And why would I be "disappointed" or "upset" about watching a movie? The movies are secondary, to me.

there's no need to be defensive or shrill, you know.

 

[Diablo101]

there's no need to be defensive or shrill, you know.

You replying to my statement is defensive. So unless you feel there is a need to be a hypocrite...oh, you do.

 

[Joe Kerr]

LMFAO

 

[Implodingsoul]

Spoiler

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie.

.

So, no room for hope.

I usually just lurk the hell out of this forum but I'll put my 2 cents in here since I find this pretty interesting.
What if

Spoiler

Two Face isn't the one who is buried? Or if it's an open casket or something and Bruce notices something different about the body?
Or if the coffin is really empty or something like that at the very end?
I have seen a number of Nolan's movies and it could very well be what happends as his movies just aren't overly simple.
At least it's a possibilty that everyone just thinks Two Face is dead at the end of the movie....

 

[kooldude88]

I usually just lurk the hell out of this forum but I'll put my 2 cents in here since I find this pretty interesting.
What if

Spoiler

Two Face isn't the one who is buried? Or if it's an open casket or something and Bruce notices something different about the body?
Or if the coffin is really empty or something like that at the very end?
I have seen a number of Nolan's movies and it could very well be what happends as his movies just aren't overly simple.
At least it's a possibilty that everyone just thinks Two Face is dead at the end of the movie....

that sounds like a good idea, but ive been reading here for a while, and ppl are saying that

Spoiler

that you see his body, and he is just dead

but theres always that possibility my batfriend

 

[BatoutofHell]

I don't think so. I really think Nolan isn't going to use such a tired device. When it happens, it really happens. People keep saying it is The DARK Knight for a reason. No Spider Man ******** here.

 

[Sub-Zero]

since he

Spoiler

dies in the movie

he proves that "you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
very poignant.

 

[Tel Aviv]

I wouldn't worry. Really, the most compelling aspect of Two-Face is his character arc and, by the sounds of it, that's what we're getting, a fully developed character. And if Nolan favors Two-Face as Long Halloween style vigilante, as opposed to his later mobsterism, I'm cool with that. It has the most dramatic potential.

 

[Dcknight]

I think the point here as many of you has stated, is that Harvey doesn't become a villain only a vigilante with more agressive and vengeful kind of saving the city (for him) and we all know that he kill.
But the point is that Nolan don't want to make a movie with ''villain'' the vilain are person who have a vision and want to show it, and in reality a guy like two face wouldn't stand long to create chao, he was only a district attorney not a mob guy or super villain. So the explanation of his ''end'' is quite good.
I don't if you're seeing my point guys, it is a little bit complicated in there :P