The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Armored Avenger]

Yeah, he was clearly drunk when he made his move on Rachel (and kissed her).

That's a no-brainer.

Bruce fakes his drunkeness in the Nolan films. In the scene in Harveys party when Bruce goes out onto the balcony he throws his drink over the ledge before Rachel joins him.

 

[ronny]

Bruce fakes his drunkeness in the Nolan films. In the scene in Harveys party when Bruce goes out onto the balcony he throws his drink over the ledge before Rachel joins him.

Just like The Joker. Neither of them seem to drink. I liked that little moment, it showed how similar they were in some small way.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think joker didn't mean to lose the champers, i think it was Heath improvising. he went to snatch the glass from the girl and accidently lost the drink but just rolled with it. i think Heath improvised alot of that scene, obviously he knew the lines and was given a general outline of the scene but i reckon Nolan just said to him "go out there and 5hit some people up, have some fun"

 

[CaptainClown]

It looked like there was a little left in the glass. I think he just rolled with it.

 

[Anita18]

This was one mixed feeling moment in the film. Both an incredibly shocking, tragic reveal and a geekgasm in one. Sometimes it's confusing to be a Bat-fan....

Can't see the photos probably because they're blocked at work (in addition to probably banned by now ), but if you're referring to the Two-Face reveal, I was highly amused since Nolan actually lets the audience see him a few seconds after you think he's going to do it. It's even written in the early script that Harvey shows his burned side when Gordon says his nickname was "Two-Face," but in the film, he does it when he tells Gordon, "No, you're not [sorry.] Not yet." In the film, the camera cuts back to Gordon right when Harvey turns his face, so you see the effect it has on him. This way, it emphasizes Gordon's feelings of guilt.

Very, very interesting shot choices in this film, yup.

 

[Alex The Bloody]

anyone who needs pics of two face hit me wit a pm

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

Honestly, I was actually disappointed by the look of Harvey Two Face in the movie. I thought it was way too overdesigned, and un-realistic. Everything Nolan had done was so grounded, then the look of Two Face was so ridiculous, and IMO very fake looking.

 

[JaD]

Bruce fakes his drunkeness in the Nolan films. In the scene in Harveys party when Bruce goes out onto the balcony he throws his drink over the ledge before Rachel joins him.

So Bruce was supposed to be assumed "drunk" when he came off of the helicopter with the girls by the audience?

 

[nightwing666]

Honestly, I was actually disappointed by the look of Harvey Two Face in the movie. I thought it was way too overdesigned, and un-realistic. Everything Nolan had done was so grounded, then the look of Two Face was so ridiculous, and IMO very fake looking.

Come on.As batfans we shouldnt be nitpicking at small details or any for that fact with these movies.Its never going to be the movie we all have dreamed of in our heads but for most they have come close.Nolan said that this batman is in a hyper realistic word, meaning most things could be in the real world but he still needs to make it look like in some parts like it would in the comics.

If nolan just did a twoface with just not as much damage on his face the audience would just go ahh ok that looks alright, but he wanted us to think and say HOLY **** look at this guy nowonder he's mad at the world.I think this verson of twoface was ment be beyond repair plus it makes sence that he would die at the end because this verson coundnt survive running around gotham for more than 1 movie without skin grafts or pain killers.Do u know where Im coming from???

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

I've liked virtually everything Nolan has done, so get off my back. I'm just saying I thought the design of Two-Face was ridiculously overdone. Especially in the context of how grounded everything else was that Nolan did ... it was almost cartoonish in retrospect among the setting and landscape Nolan put it against. I can live with what we got. It wasn't terrible. I just didn't think it fit at all visually with everything Nolan has done for his Batman movies. Everything was sober and in realistic fashion. Then there was this ridiculously un-plausible look to Two-Face. And it was all of a sudden this cartoon element, when Nolan managed to turn typical cartoonish characters (man in a giant bat costume, clown in purple suit) into real beings, as real threats, and then BAM ... we have this ridiculous looking Two Face, that to me wasn't believable at all. Something more toned down along the lines of Harry Osborn in SM 3, with alittle more scarring would have been alot more believable.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

The scarring was so overdone on Harvey, it became so cartoonish that it lost its purpose story wise. I no longer felt for the character, because it took me out of the framework of the movie. It was jarring in a bad way. Suspension of disbelief was lost because it was so overdone, and so unbelievable. I mean ... no upper lip, jaw bones potruding, eye ball rolling around without a socket ... I mean c'mon. It was ridiculous. And then to say he wasn't taking medication? He'd be crippled in pain.

 

[Toxin72]

Honestly, I was actually disappointed by the look of Harvey Two Face in the movie. I thought it was way too overdesigned, and un-realistic. Everything Nolan had done was so grounded, then the look of Two Face was so ridiculous, and IMO very fake looking.

Really? Well to each his own but I thought he looked amazing in TDK.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

Really? Well to each his own but I thought he looked amazing in TDK.

I didn't say it was bad. Just didn't fit within the context visually of everything else that was done. To me at least. Way too over the top. I saw it fitting in a Burton Batman film before I saw it fitting in visually with Nolan's Batman films.

 

[mclay18]

I'm surprised that people are surprised that Eckhart confirms Dent/Two-Face's death. To me, it was clear at the end that Dent was dead and the script and novelization solidified that for me.

I highly doubt Nolan will retcon Dent's death for a third film and actually have Gordon keep him in police custody while staging a memorial service for him.

 

[Crook]

The scarring was so overdone on Harvey, it became so cartoonish that it lost its purpose story wise. I no longer felt for the character, because it took me out of the framework of the movie. It was jarring in a bad way. Suspension of disbelief was lost because it was so overdone, and so unbelievable. I mean ... no upper lip, jaw bones potruding, eye ball rolling around without a socket ... I mean c'mon. It was ridiculous.

Well....that's Two-Face. He's always looked like that. Unless you hate his look in the comics as well, I can't possibly see why it'd be a problem here.

And then to say he wasn't taking medication? He'd be crippled in pain.

Only all the more of an indication that the majority do not care about realism as long as the material and visuals are handled well. Death aside, Nolan nailed everything down pat.

I'm actually defending Nolan against you here, haha. Quite a role reversal.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea and i think two-face would of looked stupid if his scarring was on par with Harry Osbournes. these films are still fantasy, they are just based in a realistic world. Nolan created a two-face that was true to his comic counter-part and for someone like two-face accuracy to the source material shouldn't be sacrificed for realism. I thought it looked quite realistic anyway, apart from his eye, i liked how his tendons were exposed and you could see them moving as he talked.

 

[ronny]

Dent looked fine. The scars were horrific because it was supposed to show just how far Harvey has went. He goes from being the beloeved DA to an unpredictable murderer, half his face burnt off, in agonising pain and only held up through sheer willpower.
I just wish Nolan didn't kill him. It wasn't necessary because now future directors will struggle to bring him back in the same continuity.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think after the third one the series won't continue anyway, we'll have to wait a few years for a new universe.

 

[ronny]

i think after the third one the series won't continue anyway, we'll have to wait a few years for a new universe.

That's quite possible. I just fear that with Nolan gone the new director will try to take Batman back to the campy Schumacher days. How could it go so wrong?
Well, let me ask you this: How could a Batman film have the Schumacher Two-Face after we saw Nicholson as The Joker in 1989? How could something so terrible follow something so mesmirising?
Never underestimate just how badly wrong people can get the characters.
Mark my words, some day they'll have Batman on ice skates again. Played by an actor who has "read the comics and always loved them very much."
But before that, hopefully these great films can lead to the characters being reinvigorated in the comics.
There's so much they could do with Two-Face. Personally I would like to see a comic dealing with his first stay at Arkham. How did a former DA manage to survive in a building full of people who hated his guts?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea that could be interesting, maybe in the future there could be Bat-films but not told from Batmans point of view. Like a Joker spin off move or Two-Face spin off movie using the ideas you just said. If a good enough director and production team were in charge i would welcome something like that.

 

[ronny]

Oh, let's not call them "spin-offs". That never leads to anything good. Batman should aways be the centrpiece because he holds everything together. He is the emeotional core of it all even if he is emotionally distant.
Think about the old myths, lots of cool monsters and Gods and yet none of that would work if there wasn't a central hero who had barriers to overcome and difficulties to face. Same concept with comics.
You need two sides of the story to create something greater. That's why unstoppable heroes and cardboard villains don't work. Because you have to understand where the protagonist and antagonist are coming from.
So, an entire film with Joker or Two-Face just would not work.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think it could work, theres a new Joker graphic novel coming out that doesn't even have Batman in it. i am well looking forward to that.

 

[CaptainClown]

A sign of how great Batmans rogue gallery is that they could all have stories about themselves and not include the protagonist. Batman while the origin of the characters of Gotham has created a universe where all the characters are interesting and do not NEED batman as the center of attention.

 

[Banquet]

The scarring was so overdone on Harvey, it became so cartoonish that it lost its purpose story wise. I no longer felt for the character, because it took me out of the framework of the movie. It was jarring in a bad way. Suspension of disbelief was lost because it was so overdone, and so unbelievable. I mean ... no upper lip, jaw bones potruding, eye ball rolling around without a socket ... I mean c'mon. It was ridiculous. And then to say he wasn't taking medication? He'd be crippled in pain.

Don't you know you're not allowed to say that here? It's forbidden.

A sign of how great Batmans rogue gallery is that they could all have stories about themselves and not include the protagonist. Batman while the origin of the characters of Gotham has created a universe where all the characters are interesting and do not NEED batman as the center of attention.

A sign of how great Nolan's work for Batman is in BB, Batman didn't let the villians take the center of attention.

 

[ronny]

A sign of how great Batmans rogue gallery is that they could all have stories about themselves and not include the protagonist. Batman while the origin of the characters of Gotham has created a universe where all the characters are interesting and do not NEED batman as the center of attention.

I don't know. I don't think that Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze or the Condiment King could really have a comic dedicated entirely to them.