TylerHaslett
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Hmm, I like your points, but I dunno. I still feel more for TLH Harvey than TDK Harvey. I guess I just gravitate towards characters who really can't help careening into self-destruction.I see what you're saying, but Dent is already somewhat psychologically unhinged in TLH and that causes the reader to doubt his goodness throughout the story, so that once he does turn it feels expected. In TDK him becoming a truly likable person who goes through a massive tragedy makes his character more poignant.
As you point out Dent does have a dark side. In the movie he honestly admires Batman and wishes he could do what he does (be a vigalante). And his sense of justice past what is considered ethical is hinted at when he admires a man who led to the end of democracy in Rome (while comparing him to Batman, a man he honestly admires now) and then of course he tortures Schiff. He doesn't plan to kill him, but he obviously pushes boundaries. As you said he was doing it for love. The thing is, Dent is very self-righteous in all interpretations. In Nolan's world, he needs order. He constructs order around him.
He says he "knew the risks when I took this job." But he doesn't actually think that he will lose or suffer. He believes the world is ordered into black/white. That is why he is sure Batman will save him, and that Gotham needs Batman. His order is completely destroyed when the Joker scars him. And it might have been avoided if Gordon had listened to Dent's suspicions, instead of operating in ambiguity. Dent is an idealist who cannot stand a pragmatist like Gordon as Dent does not tolerate corruption or grayness. And in this case he was right, it cost him everything. His career, his face and most of all his love.
So he has to reconstruct the world to make sense to him. The Joker comes to a broken and mentally fractured Dent (who is refusing to have facial reconstruction and is basically dying in that bed) who convinces him the world is meaningless. So Harvey "Two-Face" decides he will bring order into that world the same way it meaninglessly chose him to "be the only one" to suffer. The way it chose him to be scarred and Rachel to die.
So he creates order in the chaos in the only way he sees he has left. And he knows the consequences. He says "You think I want to escape from this? There is no escape from this?" Batman says point blank that he does not want to hurt a child and Dent replies "It is not about what I want, IT IS ABOUT WHAT'S FAIR." There you see Harvey Dent. He doesn't enjoy playing the role of villain, but he sees this is the only thing he has left...creating order in a world that he thought he had control of and stabbed him in the back. He will bring back order by punishing those who destroyed his world or should be judged like he.
That is why he can so emotionlessly shoot Batman, but there is no sense of joy. He likes Batman and he obviously doesn't want to kill himself, and so sadly aims the gun at his own head. He is just really ****ed up in the head. But at the same time he chooses to judge himself before Gordon, because maybe he won't have to kill the kid.
So I'd say that is all there.
I agree! I have never heard of, or seen a movie with Aaron Eckhart, but he did an AMAZING job!
Anita18 said:The worst he gets in TDK is torturing Schiff, but he did it for love of Rachel (always the out for a good guy) and we discover later that he wasn't going to kill him anyway.
Hmm, I like your points, but I dunno. I still feel more for TLH Harvey than TDK Harvey. I guess I just gravitate towards characters who really can't help careening into self-destruction.
Finch was the DA at the time. Dent had no place. It makes sense for him to show up in TDK because Gotham needed a replacement for the DA that was just killed in BB.Yea but at least we would of known that he is coming up. I mean, the gap between BB and TDK is thought to be roughly 6 months right? So it seems a bit silly that he wasn't mentioned atall in BB but then just pops up as the new D.A 6 months later.
It's funny because we all expected him in the sequel. No one would have guessed Harv/Two-Face would have been developed and killed off in the same movie with Joker.Yeah....Or his arc continued in B3.
The gap is more like a year, I think. And he doesn't just pops up suddenly. There was a D.A. in BB (I can't remember his name right now) who got killed. Then there was another D.A., who was often mentioned in the viral campaign of TDK. It was up until then when Dent became D.A. Before that he probably was just a too small a fish in the pond to be mentioned and noticed.I mean, the gap between BB and TDK is thought to be roughly 6 months right? So it seems a bit silly that he wasn't mentioned atall in BB but then just pops up as the new D.A 6 months later.
Finch was the DA at the time. Dent had no place. It makes sense for him to show up in TDK because Gotham needed a replacement for the DA that was just killed in BB.
It's funny because we all expected him in the sequel. No one would have guessed Harv/Two-Face would have been developed and killed off in the same movie with Joker.
Jonah Nolan and TDK associate producer Jordan Goldberg met often with 42 Entertainment to discuss the viral's storyline. So I'd consider it part of the overall continuity.So, if you take the viral campaign to be part of the continuity (which I'm not sure, given that it is the marketing team and had little to do with what the Nolans were making), that would mean this is 18 months after BB, as Gotham had a interim DA that was corrupt and dent took down for half a year.
It didn't have to be years - it can be argued that Batman's existence really got things going. Gordon doesn't mention how long Dent worked at IA, he only mentioned that Dent made his name there.I think I remember that. But for that to be accurate to the movie, then Dent never could have been a lawyer working at IA for at least a few years, gaining him the police's hatred as "two-face." And the corrupt DA before him is never mentioned in the movie who apparently was one of the cruxes of the trial at the start.
So, I dunno.