Harvey Dent/Two-Face Thread

[Mani-Man]

How do you guys feel about his face color, would you prefer blue, green, purple, white or just like regular burnt Flesh? Call me crazy but I'd like kind of like to see a bluish tint to it, I don't think it makes much sense realistically but oh well

Hm, i dont know...when it comes to visuals i cant really say one or the other because i have no clue for what kind of look the movie will have.
If its less "realistic" and "grounded" (which i hope)I could see a blue fleshy tone a bit...but otherwise the burnt Flesh look is my get to go.
But im open for green or so, comes down to what they would do with him, how they disfigure one side.

Strong disagree. You could reduce any villain that way. It's the same deal for Penguin, Riddler, etc. It all comes down to the writing. The key is not to reduce Two-Face to the coin/chance gimmick or a glorified mob boss. Two-Face is so versatile you can go in basically any direction with him. You can use him as a dangerous serial killer ala TDK or like Anton Chigurh, you can use him as a political mastermind who wants to own the city like Kingpin, you can portray him as the leader of the rest of the supervillains (Dark Victory), you can make him a personal mission or foil for Batman, you can set him on a path pursuing a twisted sense of justice, hell you can even just use him as a less crazy and more stable version of the Joker. Plus he's not as much of a pushover physically as Joker, Riddler, Penguin etc, and his origin is of course a major deal.

The way I see it, Two-Face is a good measure of the quality of the writing. I for one gladly welcome the use of these villains. Maybe it'll force some actual creativity rather than rehashing the same old plots with the Joker, Bane, etc.

And yes, you can easily have Mr. Freeze as the main villain for a movie. Come on.

I definitly want them to use the coin, its a important part of Harvey because it helps him cope with his dual personality a bit and gives it somewhat of control.
Its a unique feature to have, so making it overly realistic wouldnt be a good thing imo.
I think he is a character that needs to be tackled in a less grounded way to work, maybe its just me...but nolans Two Face was pretty awful.
But with everything, it comes down to the writing.

 

[Schlosser85]

I though Nolan’s Two-Face was good for what it was, but he was basically just Harvey Dent having a psychotic breakdown over the course of a few hours and then dying. It was sort of imagine him going on to be some criminal mastermind or gangster or whatever, or having much of an agenda beyond wreaking vengeance on everyone he blamed for what happened to himself and Rachel.

I liked it for what it was in the context of The Dark Knight’s arc, but there’s definitely plenty of room for a more comic accurate Two-Face who gets a lot more to do post-scarring.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Would Bobby Cannavale be too old?

 

[Invader Joker]

The Batman TAS episode ''Heart of Ice'' and movie ''Sub-Zero'' give you a perfect roadmap to follow in adapting a feature length movie Batman movie with Freeze as the main villain.

Heart of Ice is the reason I said that about Freeze. I'm not really sure you can stretch that story into 2 hours without losing what makes the character interesting in the first place. It's just Freeze going after a businessman. And it's deeply emotional, and I really like it but I don't exactly want a 2 hour version of that because the reason it worked was because of how simple the story was.

 

[hafizbat]

Nothing wrong with simplicity.

 

[Invader Joker]

Nothing wrong with simplicity.

I agree, but I'm not sure you can stretch a story that simple into a 2 hour blockbuster.

 

[hafizbat]

I agree, but I'm not sure you can stretch a story that simple into a 2 hour blockbuster.

I don't really see it that way. The simpler the story, the more time and effort can be spent on fleshing out each and every story beat. You can delve deeper into the life of Bruce Wayne/Batman, you can build up the world of Gotham a lot more, and showing the origin and at least 2 action pieces with Freeze can easily take up a movie.

Not to mention it would be ideal for a Batman-centric movie rather than a villain centric one.

 

[Invader Joker]

Eh. What you're talking about sounds like filler.

I'd still rather see other villains in the sequel like a proper comic book accurate Ra's Al Ghul, Poison Ivy, Clayface, Hugo Strange and so on rather than stretch the stories of Two Face and Mr. Freeze. I feel those villains have a inherent cinematic quality to them while not losing the personal touch.

 

[hafizbat]

Eh. What you're talking about sounds like filler.

I'd still rather see other villains in the sequel like a proper comic book accurate Ra's Al Ghul, Poison Ivy, Clayface, Hugo Strange and so on rather than stretch the stories of Two Face and Mr. Freeze. I feel those villains have a inherent cinematic quality to them while not losing the personal touch.

To each their own. You think the things I'm talking about are filler, I think the things you're talking about are superficial. Spider-Man 2 is hailed as one of the greatest superhero movies ever and Doc Ock had a plot just as simple as one with Mr. Freeze would be. Not every movie has to be as complex as TDK to be good.

I really disagree with you on Two-Face and Mr. Freeze. There's a very good reason the BTAS episodes with them are some of the most acclaimed. A good story translates to any medium.

 

[Invader Joker]

Those episodes are great but at the same time I feel the were great precisely because both Two Face and Mr. Freeze feel too episodic of villains. Even in the comics you rarely see them used as the mai threat in an arc or something. You mostly just have single issue great short stories exploring them.

Maybe there's a way to make them more cinematic and less episodic but I'd still rather grab a Batman villain that feels inherently cinematic. Poison Ivy would be incredibly compelling and create a unique movie, same with Clayface and while we already saw Ra's in Begins, I feel there's more stuff to do with him and Talia. The 600 year old Ra's that Batman has to travel all around the world to stop while also being in a complex romance with his daughter is something that just begs for a movie and we haven't seen yet.

 

[batman44]

Shia Labeouf

 

[Sawyer]

How do you guys feel about his face color, would you prefer blue, green, purple, white or just like regular burnt Flesh? Call me crazy but I'd like kind of like to see a bluish tint to it, I don't think it makes much sense realistically but oh well

You know what? Let's get crazy and go back to his roots.

Green.

 

[Whatupman]

How about Darren Criss for Dent? He was terrific in The Assassination of Gianni Versace.

 

[cryptic name]

Heart of Ice is the reason I said that about Freeze. I'm not really sure you can stretch that story into 2 hours without losing what makes the character interesting in the first place. It's just Freeze going after a businessman. And it's deeply emotional, and I really like it but I don't exactly want a 2 hour version of that because the reason it worked was because of how simple the story was.

I think if you just give Freeze more targets and the story takes on a dimension of Batman figuring out how these people are connected, who Freeze is and why he's doing this and ultimately what happened to him and his wife, it'd be a pretty satisfying movie.

 

[Invader Joker]

I think if you just give Freeze more targets and the story takes on a dimension of Batman figuring out how these people are connected, who Freeze is and why he's doing this and ultimately what happened to him and his wife, it'd be a pretty satisfying movie.

I guess if you make Wayne Enterprises the one that screwed over Victor Fries that could be interesting; then the target would be in Bruce's back.

Although I'd still prefer to see that angle with Poison Ivy, but it could still be interesting with Freeze.

 

[Schlosser85]

How about Darren Criss for Dent? He was terrific in The Assassination of Gianni Versace.

Seems too young.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Oscar Isaac would be fantastic as Two-Face

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Really feel like Harvey Dent needs to be a guy you instantly like. You want to rally behind him and trust in him and believe in him. He should be charismatic and have an infectious spirit. that way when you see his dark side it's all the more heartbreaking.

 

[WatchProtect]

I'd love to see a Two-Face - Penguin- Black Mask gang war in these films at some point.

 

[BobJM]

Christopher Abbott, 33, from Amazon’s Catch 22. He’s a good up-and-coming actor, but not too high profile nor a big name. He’d be a great recurring villain, or tragic story depending on when the franchise introduces us to Harvey’s story.

 

[TheGuy]

Lee Pace

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hes big and tal, reminds me of the telltale Harvey dent. And the big bad harv nickname from tas would have extra impact there.

 

[WatchProtect]

Lee Pace

Lee Pace would be great actually!

 

[Kane52630]

I would get Joshua Jackson

 

[TheGuy]

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