Harvey Dent/Two-Face Thread

[Jekecy]

I honestly don’t know if the GA give a damn about Harvey Dent. Like, is he a part of the “big five”? Surely the “I Believe In Harvey Dent” marketing blew up globally in 2008. But we’re still at a point where most movie goers don’t remember the name of the actor who played him. Nor do they even remember Dent having a role in the other big Batman movie from 1989. So maybe there is no “big five” in their eyes. I don’t really think of him as a pop culture icon myself. Just a popular villain for the fans.

It’s almost as if the character has had some good luck being tossed into the ring with the big boys (and girls)...but bad luck in the sense that he hasn’t reached the top tier. If Reeves takes his time and hits a grand slam with Dent this decade, maybe he’ll reach that next level status..

I may sound nuts, but one of the most quoted and recognizable lines in cinema from the past 15 years is "You either die a hero..."

That's Harvey's line and is directly related to his character and overall arc. His pop culture relevancy isn't in question at all. Even if he doesn't appear in this trilogy, his status will have been cemented because of TDK's longevity.

 

[Boom]

TDK and Aaron Eckhart handled the character so well that I'm honestly not in any real rush to see him again. If anything, have him already scarred and locked up in Arkham.

Hell, introduce Janet Van Dorn.

 

[Lautox]

What about the Jessica Dent storyline from earth one? Maybe an actrees like Olivia Cooke or Jessie Buckley could pull it off.

 

[shauner111]

You totally took my two choices for Gilda didn’t you

 

[Lautox]

no you took my choices for jessica lol

 

[shauner111]

They’d be good for Gilda or Jessica so let’s just square dance.

 

[Lautox]

For Harvey I think we need a tough guy like James Caan from the 70s, someone who is the opposite of Bruce.

 

[WayneMB]

The Batman got compared to Nolan (no clue how, but ok), so Two-Face appearing in the sequels may feel repetitive to some people. I think if he were to appear, he would have to be the DA only.
Leave his scarring up to imagination, may it happen further down this Batman's crusade.

as for the casting, Oscar Isaac is still my #1, followed by Chris Abbott and John David Washington

 

[shauner111]

Definitely can’t do Two Face in the second. Reeves also takes his time with each villain. They weren’t fully formed in their first outing. So there’s no way he’s going to introduce Dent AND turn him into Two Face in the same story.

If we get Harv in the sequel, I doubt he’ll have a big role. It’s not even something to fuss about really. The casting will be interesting and I’m sure he’ll sit with the actor ahead of time, explain the arc, explain the dynamics. But he likely won’t be a focus, at least not for a very long time. I’m more intrigued by the big criminal players entering the power grab plot. Lots of options there.

 

[Lautox]

I expect his role in the sequel to be like in the Year One comic. He's just the new young D.A in town.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Eckhart's Dent was a perfect Two-Face origin. Better than the comics even. No real need to redo it anytime soon. The next time you do Two-Face just go right into Dent as Two-Face like Joker in the deleted scene.

 

[Lautox]

I do think it was good but not the most honorable for the character. He was killed way too soon and I think the character deserves a full movie to flesh out his double personality disorder which lacked in TDK.

 

[Lautox]

The Batman got compared to Nolan (no clue how, but ok), so Two-Face appearing in the sequels may feel repetitive to some people. I think if he were to appear, he would have to be the DA only.
Leave his scarring up to imagination, may it happen further down this Batman's crusade.

as for the casting, Oscar Isaac is still my #1, followed by Chris Abbott and John David Washington

I do want him to appear in the sequels just because I'm hyped to see what Marino could do with the prosthetics

 

[Eddie Dean]

Eckhart's Dent was a perfect Two-Face origin. Better than the comics even. No real need to redo it anytime soon. The next time you do Two-Face just go right into Dent as Two-Face like Joker in the deleted scene.

Actually he was blonde so they should do the same origin but he has dark hair so it's more accurate

 

[Lautox]

@Eddie Dean where did you get your degree on comedy?

 

[Eddie Dean]

Whatsamatta U

 

[blaberskite]

TDK did a great job with building up Harvey and playing with idea that everyone is putting all their hope for the future in him.

The only part I would have wanted to see more of is his and bruce/Batman's friendship and the real trust/genuine friendship between them (and gordon).

TDK went some of the way there but the whole turn to being two face always felt rushed, and then killing him off so quickly I felt was a mistake.

Long story short TDK did a great job with harvey, not so much with two face. Problem is one film will only ever be able to do so much and the character needs time to set him up properly so the tragic fall hits home.

A series would be a great way to go, everything seems to be pointing to revees building a pretty big universe with the film and series. Hopefully he won't limit himself to a trilogy and make maybe 5 films with interconnected series, this could be epic.

Fingers crossed, so many of the rogues have huge potential to offer up some really interesting stories, hopefully it's not all limited to just a few films and then on to another reboot!

I posted the above before in a different thread and still stand by it. Harvey is a great character, given the right amount of time to develop he would be a perfect fit for Reeves. And I really don't think he's been done justice yet, as I said above TDK did a great job with Harvey, not so much two face.

 

[chintai80]

if they have harvey in the hbo max series/ sequels they can flesh him out more than ever before in the movies.
and by the third movie or so when he becomes 2face (and i hope they go with the crime boss route), it could be VERY good.
you can gain the audience's sympathy and then hook them in.

imagine one of batman's closest allies becoming one of his most personal enemies, where they will have to contend each other indefinitely. it will play out how deeply tragic harvey's story is.

we already had a version of 2face who had a death wish in nolan's film.
we can have one who will know the ins and outs of taking over a piece of gotham's criminal empire, since he worked as a DA - like in the 1990's eye of the beholder story.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I see Jon Bernthal suggested around for some weird reason and I REALLY don't care for it because:

1. He doesn't fit the rest of the cast.

2. It focuses way too much on the Two-Face "Big Bad Harvey" thing and arguably forgets that Harvey is supposed to be a trustworthy politician.

Whoever they get has to be believable as someone you can trust and view as a sort of fallen angel and/or tragic figure. You can't just get anyone who has a square jaw and black hair and be done with it.

 

[Lautox]

True! Reeves can do so much better than Bernthal. I expect someone on the level of Dano and Farrell and someone that has a screen presence and intensity like Rob. Let's root for more.

 

[blaberskite]

Totally agree with all the above, it has to be the Knight in shining armour take on the character, that will make the downfall all the more tragic. The audience should be genuinely upset and invested in him to the point that the inevitable fall is a real gut punch.

Also if done right it would be a really interesting character for an actor to take on, switching between the identities could be a real challenge, maybe even more so than any of the other rogues, even joker.

 

[shauner111]

Totally agree with all the above, it has to be the Knight in shining armour take on the character, that will make the downfall all the more tragic. The audience should be genuinely upset and invested in him to the point that the inevitable fall is a real gut punch.

Also if done right it would be a really interesting character for an actor to take on, switching between the identities could be a real challenge, maybe even more so than any of the other rogues, even joker.

Exactly. That’s why I’m always baffled when posters say they don’t need a great actor for the role. If you’re gonna do the split personality, you might need an actor as good if not better than Pattinson.

 

[C Prometheus]

I wouldn’t mind Harvey sitting this out but there is a open spot for the DA, so who are you going to give that role to? Some made up corrupt character again? Or follow the trail of influences like Long Halloween and slow burn the Harvey Dent arc? I vote for the latter. Make it a 2 film arc. It fits the story they’re telling and would say a lot about Bruce’s compassion and mental health if you bring in a new Dent.

Or we just don't have Harvey Dent this time around? There's like a dozen other characters from the comics and BTAS who become the new DA in Gotham City besides Harvey. And why bother making it a two film arc when we already know that Reeves is only making a trilogy in the first place and we're now officially one movie in?

As for showing Bruce's compassion, there are other members of the Rogues Gallery who could demonstrate that side of Bruce just as effectively as Dent can. Namely Mister Freeze.

 

[shauner111]

I mean, you make a good point about using other characters instead. But if you have a trilogy, it does make perfect sense to use film number 2 and 3 to flesh out Dent. As long as it’s not just Harvey in this major role in the sequel and then he’s the number one villain at the end of the trilogy. That doesn’t work for me because where’s the new ****? But if Two Face is one of many in a ensemble...like an Arkham Asylum adaptation? Sounds good to me.

I just want new villains at this point.

 

[Lautox]

Exactly. That’s why I’m always baffled when posters say they don’t need a great actor for the role. If you’re gonna do the split personality, you might need an actor as good if not better than Pattinson.

Gosling or Jake haha I know they're too big for a supporting but it would be cool. They probably going for someone who has worked on A24 lol