HBO's Game of Thrones - - Part 11

[DarthSkywalker]

Fault? On what part of his career choice and the way he lives is this a FAULT?

Just because some people decided to make an adaptation of his work, doesn't mean he is now somehow obligated to fan "demands".

Yeah i think the audio book guy kinda gave strong implications he's done majority of TWOW.

He's still doing side projects afaik, like the She-Wolves of Winterfell, as he completed Princess and the Queen novella. He's also working on that enclypedia book with the Westeros.org admins.

He made a commitment when he signed the HBO deal, not unlike the deal JK Rowling did when they started making the Harry Potter films. A deal with the fans.

And Roy Dotrice has no real idea. An off the cuff comment from GRRM is literally pointless. There is reason why he says he doesn't want to do updates about his writing, because they are notoriously unreliable. He was almost down with ADWD for years.

 

[squeekness]

Good practise. You guys might already know but that's what the Wheel of Time author did before the last book and regrettably he did die before it came out. But as he had all the notes ready his wife chose a fantasy author who happened to be a fan to finish it the way the guy would have wanted.

My fear is that with people's short attention spans, the show will lose steam before they get a chance to end it. I was already hearing grumbling about the third season and we're only halfway through that book. You split the other books and that could only get worse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

By the way if GRRM dies, he doesn't want the book series finished. He has said he won't let it happen.

 

[squeekness]

By the way if GRRM dies, he doesn't want the book series finished. He has said he won't let it happen.

Do people really have control over things like that?

 

[Iceman]

My fear is that with people's short attention spans, the show will lose steam before they get a chance to end it. I was already hearing grumbling about the third season and we're only halfway through that book. You split the other books and that could only get worse.

Even if GRRM has been at fault, a book definitely shouldn't be rushed. What is the point of getting to the last book of the series a bit earlier if it's disappointing. It's going to be a permanent very significant work so perfecting it is more important than anything else. And finishing a series like this seems more complicated than an average series capper.

But he has obligations depending on what he's signed and at least some responsibility to GoT series fans even if they come 2nd to book fans. I think he should just tell the TV guys what he wants to happen in the show and if the show is done before the books, so be it. Fans can choose to not see the show till the books come out in the way many wait to read the books till the relevant material is aired to keep the surprise. I don't know anything about how TV contracts work though so what I'm saying is probably not possible and worthless anyway.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Do people really have control over things like that?

Yes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even if GRRM has been at fault, a book definitely shouldn't be rushed. What is the point of getting to the last book of the series a bit earlier if it's disappointing. It's going to be a permanent very significant work so perfecting it is more important than anything else. And finishing a series like this seems more complicated than an average series capper.

But he has obligations depending on what he's signed and at least some responsibility to GoT series fans even if they come 2nd to book fans. I think he should just tell the TV guys what he wants to happen in the show and if the show is done before the books, so be it. Fans can choose to not see the show till the books come out in the way many wait to read the books till the relevant material is aired to keep the surprise. I don't know anything about how TV contracts work though so what I'm saying is probably not possible and worthless anyway.

Maybe you'd have a point if the last two books had been half of the quality of the first three. The vast drop off is not a good sign that "more time = quality".

The problem I have with this, is he isn't rushing anything. He isn't even working most of the time.

I have seen this before. The Dark Tower. The farther you get away from the start, the less the author retains what drove the initial work. What made it special.

 

[Lord]

They won't fix it because they don't perceive it to be a problem. They've always said Game of Thrones is an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire as a whole, each season is not meant to be an adaptation of each book.

So, the final books with the full end of the story not being published before they reached that part isn't perceived as a problem?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, the final books with the full end of the story not being published before they reached that part isn't perceived as a problem?

For HBO? No. For the fandom? Oh hell yes.

 

[Drz]

He made a commitment when he signed the HBO deal, not unlike the deal JK Rowling did when they started making the Harry Potter films. A deal with the fans.

Bwhahahahahahaha.

Wow, just wow.

 

[Lord]

For HBO? No. For the fandom? Oh hell yes.

But if the show is still their biggest hit then it is a problem

 

[squeekness]

Maybe you'd have a point if the last two books had been half of the quality of the first three. The vast drop off is not a good sign that "more time = quality".

The problem I have with this, is he isn't rushing anything. He isn't even working most of the time.

I have seen this before. The Dark Tower. The farther you get away from the start, the less the author retains what drove the initial work. What made it special.

I'd have to disagree with Dark Tower, I enjoyed that one all the way through.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

So, the final books with the full end of the story not being published before they reached that part isn't perceived as a problem?

No. GRRM wants to work at his own pace. Dave and Dan have enough information from him to finish the show if they catch up to the books or the series goes unfinished. Only book fans who ***** and moan that GRRM doesn't lock himself in a room and write for 18 hours a day think it's a problem.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Bwhahahahahahaha.

Wow, just wow.

He doesn't do it, that is his thing. But it is completely ridiculous to go into the HBO deal, talk about how you are going to get the job done, and now be at this point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd have to disagree with Dark Tower, I enjoyed that one all the way through.

The last three books don't even feel like they are from the same author. I like them, but the first three, and even the fourth are classics, with a real raw emotion energy lacking in the last 3.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He made a commitment when he signed the HBO deal, not unlike the deal JK Rowling did when they started making the Harry Potter films. A deal with the fans.

Can I get a copy of this deal? I don't remember nominating someone to represent the fanbase as a whole.

Seriously though, I want the books to come out quickly just like everyone, but fans aren't entitled to anything. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a jackass. If I were GRRM, I would be annoyed hearing this question repeatedly, especially, "But what if you die?"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can I get a copy of this deal? I don't remember nominating someone to represent the fanbase as a whole.

Seriously though, I want the books to come out quickly just like everyone, but fans aren't entitled to anything. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a jackass. If I were GRRM, I would be annoyed hearing this question repeatedly, especially, "But what if you die?"

Lets be fair, he made it a question. Especially with his declaration about what happens if he dies.

He doesn't own anyone anything clearly. No one does. My initial post was vastly over doing it. As overly dramatic as one of his sex scenes. But he is responsible for a situation where the ending of the story shows up on screen before it does on the page. And that sucks imo. Especially considering you are going to be left with a situation where you have to decide to watch it or not.

 

[Drz]

But the television show is already slightly different and will continue to become more different from the books, such as no Willas or Garlan Tyrell, the season 4 sneak peak already demonstrated a few more changes, such as Sansa being in the wedding alongside Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth.

George RR Martin owes nothing to the fans, he created this universe and you can either be grateful for it or simply ignore it. I'm anxious for The Winds of Winter as much as i am for the She-Wolves of Winterfell, this is an exciting universe to learn about.

PS. Not to mention, someday in our day and age, there comes the fandom, such as the Telltales Game of Thrones video game. Heck, even Game of Thrones the tv series is fandom.

 

[Lord]

Well, fans pais for the story, and they have the right to get the full story.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But the television show is already slightly different and will continue to become more different from the books, such as no Willas or Garlan Tyrell, the season 4 sneak peak already demonstrated a few more changes, such as Sansa being in the wedding alongside Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth.

George RR Martin owes nothing to the fans, he created this universe and you can either be grateful for it or simply ignore it. I'm anxious for The Winds of Winter as much as i am for the She-Wolves of Winterfell, this is an exciting universe to learn about.

PS. Not to mention, someday in our day and age, there comes the fandom, such as the Telltales Game of Thrones video game. Heck, even Game of Thrones the tv series is fandom.

Slightly different, doesn't change the broad strokes, especially where it counts. Jon, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Tyrion, Jaimie, Dany. Outside of Jon's time beyond the way being really funky do to filming, they have stayed very close and that is how it is going to stay the rest of the way.

I love the backstory, I just don't like when it gets in the way. Telltale's games won't be doing that.

Does he own anyone anything? No. But the big questions, Jon's true parentage, how Dany gets to Westeros, what becomes of the Stark kids, what happens when the White Walkers come, if the show answers those questions first, I honestly don't see how that isn't disappointing.

 

[Drz]

Slightly different, doesn't change the broad strokes, especially where it counts.

Martin said that both Garlan and Willas Tyrell have big roles in the next book, he completely critized the tv show from removing them, so yeah, that one does count as well.

There's lots of things we don't know what will ultimately matter, since the book series isn't finished.

No. But the big questions, Jon's true parentage, how Dany gets to Westeros, what becomes of the Stark kids, what happens when the White Walkers come, if the show answers those questions first, I honestly don't see how that isn't disappointing.

I'll take it as the tv show's version and see how it is in the books. I don't see the major deal here.

Well, fans pais for the story, and they have the right to get the full story.

No fan ever gets the full story, that'd include behind the scenes, what gets scrapped, what got changed, etc etc.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Martin said that both Garlan and Willas Tyrell have big roles in the next book, he completely critized the tv show from removing them, so yeah, that one does count as well.

There's lots of things we don't know what will ultimately matter, since the book series isn't finished.

We all know what matters. Jon, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Jaimie, Tyrion, Dany. The rest is window dressing.

I'll take it as the tv show's version and see how it is in the books. I don't see the major deal here.

I am curious, how long have you been reading the series? Because it matters a great deal to those that have spent two decades piecing this together. Go to a fan forum to find out.

 

[Drz]

Jon, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Jaimie, Tyrion, Dany. The rest is window dressing.

Oh, now we have a fan telling other fans who are the relevant characters. Only the Lannister brothers off your list are my favorites i love to learn about + Jon Snow.

Not to mention, when George R.R Martin himself talks how the characters are different, who are we to judge the creator?! Hmmm!!!!

I am curious, how long have you been reading the series? Because it matters a great deal to those that have spent two decades piecing this together. Go to a fan forum to find out.

If those fans feel so strongly about that, i can't be the one to judge or comment, since hype feelings are personal. I've only cared about A song of fire and ice since the tv show, but i have read the books + the duncan stuff + princess and the queen.

 

[squeekness]

I am curious, how long have you been reading the series? Because it matters a great deal to those that have spent two decades piecing this together. Go to a fan forum to find out.

I refuse to take anything this seriously. There are much more important things to worry about.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Lets be fair, he made it a question. Especially with his declaration about what happens if he dies.

That's his right to decide what to do with it. I don't want it to happen, but at least we'll get an ending to the series with the show.

He doesn't own anyone anything clearly. No one does. My initial post was vastly over doing it. As overly dramatic as one of his sex scenes. But he is responsible for a situation where the ending of the story shows up on screen before it does on the page. And that sucks imo. Especially considering you are going to be left with a situation where you have to decide to watch it or not.

The only person who should care is GRRM since its his work. If you don't want to be spoiled, it's really not that hard. I've never seen a minute of Mad Men, Breaking Bad, or The Walking Dead or heard any spoilers and I haven't gone out of my way to avoid them.

I also don't get why no one cares about saying, "I can't wait to see this on the show" but can't say, "I can't wait to see this play out in the book." Seeing the show and reading the book are two completely different experiences. The only major difference is you won't see people *****ing on forums about deviations from the book.

I've only been following the books since the show started, it would suck if I started back in 1998 when the first one came out. But I also have perspective. There are a lot of TV shows or games I've liked get canceled before getting a proper ending or other shows/games/movies that turned into disappointments. None of this has stopped the Earth from rotating. There will always be something else to fill the void when one thing ends.

Well, fans pais for the story, and they have the right to get the full story.

No, fans have paid for books 1-5. Unless someone has already purchased the last 2, they aren't owed anything.