Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - Part 11

[Legendver2]

As long as Batman is around and Wonder Woman remains popular, that isnjever going to happen.

And you know for a fact that Superman's popularity won't surge after what could very well be his crowning moment with his resurrection and comeback?

Say hello to my future kids for me yea, since that's clearly where you're from

 

[AndrewGilkison]

As long as Batman is around and Wonder Woman remains popular, that isnjever going to happen.

They are clearly setting it up in this movie. You think Batman talking about how inspirational Superman is in the trailer is an accident (whether Batman's words are earned given the content of MOS and BvS is another story)? The narrative is clear.

 

[Herolee10]

Why though?

Because I'm tired of waiting for something that may most likely not happen.

When MOS came out with its mixed reviews, we all thought that BvS would be the place where they would correct those problems.

Instead, more bigger problems were made. And I'm tired of Superman always having to take a backseat to Batman whenever it comes to sharing a film.

And you know for a fact that Superman's popularity won't surge after what could very well be his crowning moment with his resurrection and comeback?

Say hello to my future kids for me yea, since that's clearly where you're from

If his popularity didn't surge with his own solo film and a film that pitted him against Batman, why would it surge now...especially when it was made by the same director as the first two films?

They are clearly setting it up in this movie. You think Batman talking about how inspirational Superman is in the trailer is an accident (whether Batman's words are earned given the content of MOS and BvS is another story)? The narrative is clear.

Superman is inspirational, no doubt about that. But look at where we're at right now. Snyder gave Superman the boot to make Batman and Wonder Woman the leader and mentors of the group.

Wonder Woman's popularity is surging right now (and will most likely go even higher) while Batman has been and will always be Warner Bros's favorite. Those two have been at the epicenter of this marketing. It's hard to buy that Warner Bros will reduce their roles in favor for a character that people were mixed on for the next big team up film.

 

[sf2]

almost everyone is getting a sequel of its own. with no news on MOS2 in all the WB/DC future plan, i guess Henry's role as superman is gonna end with JL. perhaps a few years later we will get a superman reboot.. superman year one kinda treatment like spidey...

bye Henry!

 

[Reel-Man]

Herolee, i was asking about you saying you have to see this through. Why not take a step back, occupy yourself with something else and when the movie is out you go see it. Then you can decide if you liked it or not and if Superman got his due or not.

 

[Legendver2]

Superman is inspirational, no doubt about that. But look at where we're at right now. Snyder gave Superman the boot to make Batman and Wonder Woman the leader and mentors of the group.

Wonder Woman's popularity is surging right now (and will most likely go even higher) while Batman has been and will always be Warner Bros's favorite. Those two have been at the epicenter of this marketing. It's hard to buy that Warner Bros will reduce their roles in favor for a character that people were mixed on for the next big team up film.

But like you said in another post, that thirst for Superman is real. You got young fans at SDCC asking if Superman is alive. There's clearly an audience for Big Blue. I myself am a testament to his popularity, as MoS made me a fan, and I've been following his comics ever since. His popularity has surged on the comic front with Rebirth. You're making absolute opinions based on that fact that you didn't get Reeve 2.0. The fact that we're here even talking and debating this, when it's clear as day that Alfred was talking to Superman, is testament that WB's marketing to drive thirst for Big Blue is working.

We're about to get a revitalized hopeful iteration of the character, with Zack and Terrio clearly saying JL will be lighter, and from what I gather, a more straight forward story, and not a deconstruction. We got Geoff saying DCEU is going to be more hopeful and brighter now. We got Gal saying if you're a Supes fan, you're gonna enjoy JL. And if Zack's words are anything to go by, we're getting the conclusion of Superman's hero's journey. If all those official, inside sources are telling us that that is the direction they are going, setting up Superman to be back at the forefront of DC (heck, he's the central guy in their new logo opening), then that is what I an inclined to believe. Of course you can just kill all that with the argument "It's all just PR." Believe whatever you want man. If you can't see it by now, you're not gonna ever see it, maybe until the actual film comes out. But even then, I know you'll have something else to gripe about.

 

[Herolee10]

Herolee, i was asking about you saying you have to see this through. Why not take a step back, occupy yourself with something else and when the movie is out you go see it. Then you can decide if you liked it or not and if Superman got his due or not.

Oh I have other things to preoccupy my time. I can't wait to see "The Defenders" show up later in August.

As for this whole thing; well I guess I really fell hard for the story that was established in MOS. I wanted to see a great continuation and eventual conclusion of that, and we're getting that in JL but just not in the way that I would have preferred.

Unless they start adding Superman to their posters and solid evidence shows up that he's not just going to be used for a third act wonder or where he's just an "ally" for the group..then my mind is set on how I'm going to feel about this film, regardless of its other aspects.

 

[Herolee10]

But like you said in another post, that thirst for Superman is real. You got young fans at SDCC asking if Superman is alive. There's clearly an audience for Big Blue. I myself am a testament to his popularity, as MoS made me a fan, and I've been following his comics ever since. His popularity has surged on the comic front with Rebirth. You're making absolute opinions based on that fact that you didn't get Reeve 2.0. The fact that we're here even talking and debating this, when it's clear as day that Alfred was talking to Superman, is testament that WB's marketing to drive thirst for Big Blue is working.

We're about to get a revitalized hopeful iteration of the character, with Zack and Terrio clearly saying JL will be lighter, and from what I gather, a more straight forward story, and not a deconstruction. We got Geoff saying DCEU is going to be more hopeful and brighter now. We got Gal saying if you're a Supes fan, you're gonna enjoy JL. And if Zack's words are anything to go by, we're getting the conclusion of Superman's hero's journey. If all those official, inside sources are telling us that that is the direction they are going, setting up Superman to be back at the forefront of DC (heck, he's the central guy in their new logo opening), then that is what I an inclined to believe. Of course you can just kill all that with the argument "It's all just PR." Believe whatever you want man. If you can't see it by now, you're not gonna ever see it, maybe until the actual film comes out. But even then, I know you'll have something else to gripe about.

Honestly, I get where you're coming from.

However, I do not like this Superman as a "plot device" approach that Snyder has taken with the character since BvS.

Yeah, the thirst is real no doubt about it. But I (along with several others) hate the fact that he has to be excluded from everything. Honestly, I can understand not showing any footage of him.

If they had at least shown him in theatrical posters as a proud member of the group, then you wouldn't be hearing me complain as much, if not at all. But it's unacceptable for them to be doing this to his character. It's not smart marketing. It's stupid and it's unnecessary. At the end of the day, while the other characters get to have these awesome, one of a kind posters, to go with the film..all Superman will have is the film (along with unofficially released popcorn and soda cup pictures)

And the biggest problem here is that Warner Bros doesn't treat Superman as a character. They use him as a symbol...a beacon as Bruce phrased it in the trailer. Thus, seeing him with the team...building that group dynamic...that's not going to happen in this film that's more focused on his return than it is with how he fits with this team.

And I don't plan on waiting for 3-4 years to see a sequel that may or may not have Superman finally interacting with these characters properly. So yeah, I'm not changing my stance on this. I'm not going to sell myself short on this anymore. I'm tired of having to convince myself to see the good parts of this because there isn't any.

 

[sf2]

Honestly, I get where you're coming from.

However, I do not like this Superman as a "plot device" approach that Snyder has taken with the character since BvS.

Yeah, the thirst is real no doubt about it. But I (along with several others) hate the fact that he has to be excluded from everything. Honestly, I can understand not showing any footage of him.

If they had at least shown him in theatrical posters as a proud member of the group, then you wouldn't be hearing me complain as much, if not at all. But it's unacceptable for them to be doing this to his character. It's not smart marketing. It's stupid and it's unnecessary. At the end of the day, while the other characters get to have these awesome, one of a kind posters, to go with the film..all Superman will have is the film (along with unofficially released popcorn and soda cup pictures)

And the biggest problem here is that Warner Bros doesn't treat Superman as a character. They use him as a symbol...a beacon as Bruce phrased it in the trailer. Thus, seeing him with the team...building that group dynamic...that's not going to happen in this film that's more focused on his return than it is with how he fits with this team.

And I don't plan on waiting for 3-4 years to see a sequel that may or may not have Superman finally interacting with these characters properly. So yeah, I'm not changing my stance on this. I'm not going to sell myself short on this anymore. I'm tired of having to convince myself to see the good parts of this because there isn't any.

yup, he is just a symbol. and he isn't in any part of WB/DC future plans as what been just announced.
feel that he will get a reboot. since this superman was getting mixed reception and not liked by many... people like a tv cameo superman than DCEU superman.. it tells something...
feel Henry's superman will end with JL. at least he get a... 1 + 1/3 + 1/12 movies. better than Brandon Routh.

 

[Legendver2]

I'm tired of having to convince myself to see the good parts of this because there isn't any.

If there aren't any good parts, then why see it through.

 

[Micromind]

Wonder Woman's popularity is surging right now (and will most likely go even higher) while Batman has been and will always be Warner Bros's favorite.

Those two have been at the epicenter of this marketing. It's hard to buy that Warner Bros will reduce their roles in favor for a character that people were mixed on for the next big team up film.

Yeah, You're right, WB stands for Wonder Woman and Batman.

 

[Herolee10]

If there aren't any good parts, then why see it through.

Like I said, I at least enjoyed MOS. The first entry was fine and it's because of that first entry that I'm willing to wait and see the very end of its conclusion in the form of JL.

After JL is over, then I'll be able to put this all to rest.

 

[Greenlite]

Yeah, You're right, WB stands for Wonder Woman and Batman.

Hahaha

Don't worry, there's an S in Warner Brothers, the last letter of the company, as in the lowest priority in the pipeline

 

[vantheman77]

yup, he is just a symbol. and he isn't in any part of WB/DC future plans as what been just announced.
feel that he will get a reboot. since this superman was getting mixed reception and not liked by many... people like a tv cameo superman than DCEU superman.. it tells something...
feel Henry's superman will end with JL. at least he get a... 1 + 1/3 + 1/12 movies. better than Brandon Routh.

Better to give Superman to the Supergirl TV series.

 

[Herolee10]

Better to give Superman to the Supergirl TV series.

No please don't. I may not like what they're doing in the film division, but anything is better than that place. They literally fed Superman to their crazy girl power thing in order to make Supergirl look great.

 

[sf2]

Like I said, I at least enjoyed MOS. The first entry was fine and it's because of that first entry that I'm willing to wait and see the very end of its conclusion in the form of JL.

After JL is over, then I'll be able to put this all to rest.

well, you have to. because it is over. no more superman movies in another 3 years or more.

well, at least Aquaman looks interesting.

 

[Micromind]

well, at least Aquaman looks interesting.

Who would have thought.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I strongly believe that after JL, once everything is pieced together, more people will have a better understanding of Superman's long complex journey and may even have more of an appreciation for it.

This is his "Begins-Fall-Rise".

 

[Herolee10]

I strongly believe that after JL, once everything is pieced together, more people will have a better understanding of Superman's long complex journey and may even have more of an appreciation for it.

This is his "Begins-Fall-Rise".

Strangely enough, I do at least recognize on where they were trying to go at with these films involving Superman's journey. Like you said, Birth-Death-Return.

However, the biggest problem here is that they had to deal with the formation of the League. So Superman's journey with the Justice League was sacrificed for his own individual arc.

Personally, if Superman had been kept alive at the end of BvS...I would have had him the one reach out to Arthur (with Bruce going to Barry and Diana going to Victor), only for Arthur to still reject his invitation.

Superman would then get injured by Stepp's weapon in the battle underneath the sewers while fighting alongside the JL. The second act would involve them trying to race Superman's injured body to the scout ship so that he could be healed before he dies to his wounds.

And finally, third act arrives and Superman is with them from the start.

Would have been a MUCH better scenario then what we're getting.

 

[vantheman77]

well, you have to. because it is over. no more superman movies in another 3 years or more.

well, at least Aquaman looks interesting.

This is why they should give Superman to the Supergirl TV series. I may not like the girl power message in Supergirl's season finale episode, but at least Superman was better used on TV.

 

[Herolee10]

What do you think guys? I mean, do you think that we still at least have a good chance of getting a dream/afterlife sequence involving Superman in this movie? Or is there too much going on to fit that in somewhere?

 

[AnneFan]

And you know for a fact that Superman's popularity won't surge after what could very well be his crowning moment with his resurrection and comeback?

Superman comics are the best they've been in years. Justice League Action is one of the better portrayals of Superman, animated or otherwise. People are eager to see the character return in JL. They are starving for even a snippet of footage. That tells me people care. I'd be more concerned if they didn't. The marketing strategy is working if people are thirsty.

 

[Herolee10]

Superman comics are the best they've been in years. Justice League Action is one of the better portrayals of Superman, animated or otherwise. People are eager to see the character return in JL. They are starving for even a snippet of footage. That tells me people care. I'd be more concerned if they didn't. The marketing strategy is working if people are thirsty.

Let's say that you're right and this marketing strategy of banning superman from anything and everything makes fans more thirsty.

When the film is released and they go to the movie screenings, what kind of reaction do you think most of them will give if they find out that they waited for a very long time only to see Superman in action for a very short sequence at the end of the film? Don't you think that it might end up pissing off more fans?

Of course, it could have another effect and have fans demand studios for a new solo film as a result of having a superman cameo in this film, which could be a good thing I guess for his solo franchise.

 

[AnneFan]

Let's say that you're right and this marketing strategy of banning superman from anything and everything makes fans more thirsty.

I am right. You just have to see the reaction all over the web.

When the film is released and they go to the movie screenings, what kind of reaction do you think most of them will give if they find out that they waited for a very long time only to see Superman in action for a very short sequence at the end of the film? Don't you think that it might end up pissing off more fans?

I'm not buying into the minimal screen time talk, or that they'll drop the ball with these scenes in a way which leaves people frustrated. Sure, he'll probably have one big action scene, but I'm also predicting a reunion with Lois, Martha Kent and some kind of address to the world as well. The JL trailers have shown that all of the members get their moments to shine. I mean, Aquaman alone rides the Batmobile and does other crazy stuff. Superman's surely going to get this type of treatment as well, but tailored to his abilities. I'm quietly confident about that.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Strangely enough, I do at least recognize on where they were trying to go at with these films involving Superman's journey. Like you said, Birth-Death-Return.

However, the biggest problem here is that they had to deal with the formation of the League. So Superman's journey with the Justice League was sacrificed for his own individual arc.

Personally, if Superman had been kept alive at the end of BvS...I would have had him the one reach out to Arthur (with Bruce going to Barry and Diana going to Victor), only for Arthur to still reject his invitation.

Superman would then get injured by Stepp's weapon in the battle underneath the sewers while fighting alongside the JL. The second act would involve them trying to race Superman's injured body to the scout ship so that he could be healed before he dies to his wounds.

And finally, third act arrives and Superman is with them from the start.

Would have been a MUCH better scenario then what we're getting.

Though we don't know what we're getting, when Superman will appear nor do we know what he'll be doing. Of course He still has to talk to Lois and she may be the first person he goes to. He also has to see his mom and probably have their little heart-to-heart.

There's plenty of things that can go right just as much as wrong, but we just have to wait and see of course. I choose to be optimistic.

Also, I think that the death of Superman tied into the movie very well. It's a major part of Superman's history and also one of his best story lines.

Sure, the approach to telling the DCEU story is far different than what we are used to, though it's no different than what is done in comics. There are multiple universes with various different stories.