Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - Part 11

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What are you getting at here? Superman and Wonder Woman being in the same poster doesn't equate to Super/Wonder as a couple happening (as if the narrative is ready to ditch Lois and Clark right as they're reunited and likely engaged), and herolee's concern about Superman and Wonder Woman's interaction in BvS has nothing to do with romance, as far as I can tell. More importantly, I don't know if that picture you posted is meant to be a Superman and Wonder Woman promotional image. It looks like a manip and cropped, and promotional images don't exactly represent relationship building. For example, there were Trinity images released for BvS yet, as herolee is pointing out, Superman and Wonder Woman didn't interact much in BvS. Therefore, a promotional image like the one you posted, even if it were authentic, wouldn't be indicative of anything for certain. So, really, what is your point?

Yeah, I wasn't implying a romantic relationship at all.

Honestly, I will be very surprised if Superman and Wonder Woman even trade words with each other in this film. The only hero that I'm expecting superman to have any conversation with in this film is Batman.

I dont think there' going to be a leader, but if there's going to be one, knowing Snyder, its gonna be Superman.

Fixed that for you.


Haha, pretty much. Even Gal and Ezra have said that Batman and Wonder Woman are the leaders of this group. Before Superman becomes a candidate for the leadership role in the future, they should focus on establishing him as a actual member of the group first.
 
Would they even have time to establish Superman as a member of the group?
 
Honestly, I will be very surprised if Superman and Wonder Woman even trade words with each other in this film. The only hero that I'm expecting superman to have any conversation with in this film is Batman.

Because vague spoilers about one scene in which Bruce and Clark debate who is in charge must be the sum total of Superman's role in the film. Rolling my eyes so hard right now.

Would they even have time to establish Superman as a member of the group?

Would you or I even have enough information to make any sort of judgment call on this? Would "they have time" is a meaningless question when we don't know what "they" know.
 
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The question I asked is not a judgment call that you're already making it out to be, Miss Lane. I just simply asked that question. Nothing wrong with that.
 
The question I asked is not a judgment call that you're already making it out to be, Miss Lane. I just simply asked that question. Nothing wrong with that.

It's a question that implies, on some level, that you already have made up your mind about an aspect of the structure and execution of the film. Would they "even have enough time" suggests you already presume there is a finite amount of time or limited amount of time with which to integrate Superman into the narrative of the film. The question cannot be answered without full knowledge of the film, so even asking it implies some sort of expectation of foreknowledge. There's nothing "wrong" with asking, but I do think it's an odd question to ask because there's no way to answer it without having some significant existing knowledge of the plot or seeing the film in its entirety.

Your question was even phrased a certain way that assumes too much and doesn't account for subjectivity. You asked if there would be enough time to establish Superman as a member of the group. What would be "enough" to one person may not be "enough" for another person. And by asking if he can be established as part of the group, you assume that there is the possibility he won't be part of the group by the end. Do you honestly believe that they won't be presenting him as part of the group? Because if you don't, so you do think he will be part of the group, then your real question isn't if they'll have enough time to establish Superman as part of the group, but if they will have earned his membership in the group by the end.
 
Would they even have time to establish Superman as a member of the group?

Because vague spoilers about one scene in which Bruce and Clark debate who is in charge must be the sum total of Superman's role in the film. Rolling my eyes so hard right now.

Would you or I even have enough information to make any sort of judgment call on this? Would "they have time" is a meaningless question when we don't know what "they" know.

To be frank, I honestly think that Henry was joking when he said that Superman would debate with Batman on who should be the leader of the group. I believe Henry had brought that up when he was being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel regarding his role in "Justice League" as he was promoting "Batman V Superman".

Given the fact that Henry couldn't hint to the rest of the world that his character was going to bite the dust at the end of BvS, it's more than likely that Henry just said that so no one would suspect anything.

Plus, with everything that we've seen out of Henry's Superman....he hasn't been established as the type who is willing or ready to lead a group of heroes, especially with two of them (Batman and Wonder Woman) being far more experienced than he is in the hero department.

Superman had no idea that meta-humans existed and thought that he was on his own when it came to protecting the world. He has never shown any interest in wanting to form a group to help him protect the world. So it wouldn't make any sense for him to suddenly have a interest in leading a group that he barely knows about.

Also, I think fans have been given more than enough definitive hints to know that Superman will most likely not get that much time with the league.

Unless Snyder intends for this film to be the same length as his "Ultimate Edition" cut of BvS, then this film already has A LOT going on at the moment.

Not only do you have to explain the backstory and history behind the mother boxes, but you also have to introduce audiences to both the new members of the league and their individual worlds/mythology.

I'm almost certain, that based on everything we know of, Superman comes back in the second act of the film. Also, footage have already revealed to us that Superman is nowhere with the group when they go to the location which will presumably be the place for the final battle.

Some may compare Superman's time with the team as being similar's to Hawkeye's in the first Avengers film but the big difference here is that Hawkeye was actually with the group when the battle first started and there was no doubt in anyone's minds that he was a (founding) member of the group.
 
To be frank, I honestly think that Henry was joking when he said that Superman would debate with Batman on who should be the leader of the group. I believe Henry had brought that up when he was being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel regarding his role in "Justice League" as he was promoting "Batman V Superman".

Given the fact that Henry couldn't hint to the rest of the world that his character was going to bite the dust at the end of BvS, it's more than likely that Henry just said that so no one would suspect anything.

Plus, with everything that we've seen out of Henry's Superman....he hasn't been established as the type who is willing or ready to lead a group of heroes, especially with two of them (Batman and Wonder Woman) being far more experienced than he is in the hero department.

Superman had no idea that meta-humans existed and thought that he was on his own when it came to protecting the world. He has never shown any interest in wanting to form a group to help him protect the world. So it wouldn't make any sense for him to suddenly have a interest in leading a group that he barely knows about.

Also, I think fans have been given more than enough definitive hints to know that Superman will most likely not get that much time with the league.

Unless Snyder intends for this film to be the same length as his "Ultimate Edition" cut of BvS, then this film already has A LOT going on at the moment.

Not only do you have to explain the backstory and history behind the mother boxes, but you also have to introduce audiences to both the new members of the league and their individual worlds/mythology.

I'm almost certain, that based on everything we know of, Superman comes back in the second act of the film. Also, footage have already revealed to us that Superman is nowhere with the group when they go to the location which will presumably be the place for the final battle.

Some may compare Superman's time with the team as being similar's to Hawkeye's in the first Avengers film but the big difference here is that Hawkeye was actually with the group when the battle first started and there was no doubt in anyone's minds that he was a (founding) member of the group.

It's going to be somewhat similar to the New 52 Superman when he isn't the leader of the group, but rather its powerhouse muscle.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is going to be an Ultimate Edition of JL like they did with BvS.
 
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Would they even have time to establish Superman as a member of the group?
is that important?


interaction with the other members is at about the bottom of my wanted to see list in JL.
 
is that important?


interaction with the other members is at about the bottom of my wanted to see list in JL.

Actually it is as they need to have Superman interact with some of the League members he never knew like Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg.
 
To be frank, I honestly think that Henry was joking when he said that Superman would debate with Batman on who should be the leader of the group. I believe Henry had brought that up when he was being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel regarding his role in "Justice League" as he was promoting "Batman V Superman".

Given the fact that Henry couldn't hint to the rest of the world that his character was going to bite the dust at the end of BvS, it's more than likely that Henry just said that so no one would suspect anything.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Plus, with everything that we've seen out of Henry's Superman....he hasn't been established as the type who is willing or ready to lead a group of heroes, especially with two of them (Batman and Wonder Woman) being far more experienced than he is in the hero department.

Being a leader wasn't what was being discussed. The issue being discussed was whether or not Superman would be established as part of the group, not the leader of the group. Batman and Wonder Woman have experience, but not the kind that directly translates to the kind of team they're building. Both have mostly been shadowy lone wolves for decades. People rise to the occasion, and I expect Superman will bring something to the table that is special. For example, the group is assembled initially to defend Earth against the Apokoliptian danger in Superman's absence. Once he returns and the threat is defeated, the members may think their teamwork is at an end. It could be Superman who suggests that they remain a team with some message about how no one can do it alone, not even a Superman.

Superman had no idea that meta-humans existed and thought that he was on his own when it came to protecting the world. He has never shown any interest in wanting to form a group to help him protect the world. So it wouldn't make any sense for him to suddenly have a interest in leading a group that he barely knows about.

So, Superman had no idea there were others to make a team out of, yet you're going to criticize him for not showing interest in making a metahuman team? By your logic, as soon as Superman is aware there are others like him, he has potential to want to lead a team. That said, I don't get the obsession with leadership. The team doesn't have to have a leader. It can be a group of equals who take turns leading as the situation requires. Superman doesn't have to be their superior in order to be shown respect as a character.

Also, I think fans have been given more than enough definitive hints to know that Superman will most likely not get that much time with the league.

I disagree.

Unless Snyder intends for this film to be the same length as his "Ultimate Edition" cut of BvS, then this film already has A LOT going on at the moment.

Not only do you have to explain the backstory and history behind the mother boxes, but you also have to introduce audiences to both the new members of the league and their individual worlds/mythology.

I'm almost certain, that based on everything we know of, Superman comes back in the second act of the film. Also, footage have already revealed to us that Superman is nowhere with the group when they go to the location which will presumably be the place for the final battle.

Not really seeing how any of this is conclusive.

It's going to be somewhat similar to the New 52 Superman when he isn't the leader of the group, but rather its powerhouse muscle.

You don't know that, so perhaps it's better to use qualifiers like "probably" or "maybe" than to declare that you know what is or is not going to happen.
 
It's going to be somewhat similar to the New 52 Superman when he isn't the leader of the group, but rather its powerhouse muscle.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is going to be an Ultimate Edition of JL like they did with BvS.

Well didn't cavill say that Superman and batman will argue over whose the leader? So you never know, kal might turn out to be more than just brawn, although I did love the fight scene in JL:war where superman beats batman like the pointy-eared punk that he is!:sly:

Yeah, I wasn't implying a romantic relationship at all.

Honestly, I will be very surprised if Superman and Wonder Woman even trade words with each other in this film. The only hero that I'm expecting superman to have any conversation with in this film is Batman.

I for one liked the Supes/WW relationship in the n52, infact it was the only thing I liked about that reboot and if Superman is indeed going to come back brain washed or whatever I'd like to see him heat vision lois's head off and hook up WW!

Superman becomes a candidate for the leadership role in the future, they should focus on establishing him as a actual member of the group first.

That won't require much time probably, he shows up and helps them win the fight and presto! He's now a member! Really doubt he'll have alot of actual dialogue with the other members since superman didn't get that in his own previous 2 movies.
 
That won't require much time probably, he shows up and helps them win the fight and presto! He's now a member! Really doubt he'll have alot of actual dialogue with the other members since superman didn't get that in his own previous 2 movies.
NOooooooooo! he shall submit in the application form first!!! must get the batgod approval!!!
 
You know, the thing that depresses me the most whenever I think about Henry's Superman is that this will most likely be his LAST film before we see him again in potentially 3-4 years from now.

I really doubt that they will be able to fit in another superman movie, assuming if we ever see one, until 2020 because 2019 is going to be packed with other DCEU films (Shazam, WW2, The Batman, e.g.).

And what irritates me the most is that despite having been in 2 films already (3 by the time JL rolls around) he has yet to actually be in a successful trilogy or in a film that is both critically and financially successful. If the folks over at the DCEU couldn't get everyonebehind Superman in 2 films where he was a big star, then what makes them think that Superman will be done right in a smaller role when he is still being handled by the same folks?

For all of the good that Snyder has done for the character, he has done something just as bad for him as well. The hope that the character represents in the world of the DCEU is always overshadowed by the controversery surrounding him in the real world.i really wish that we didn't have to wait for potentially another 3 years to see another Director handle Superman's character.

And as someone who was a big fan of Cyclops in the original X-Men trilogy, I feel like I've had a sense of deja vu here when I think about Superman and Batman. Just like when it came to Cyclops and Wolverine, Superman has own shined best when he wasn't with Batman.

I just don't understand how a character goes from being the central protagonist in his first film, a co-protagonist in his second film, and to a supporting character in his third film. And his dialogue got cut back with each new installment so if that trend continues then superman will end up being as silent as Black Bolt by the time JL comes around.
 
To get a picture of them together photoshop is required, Superman is so getting the shaft. :o

FYI, both suits looking excellent there.
Yeah it's pretty cool how Henry is in cosplay. Wait..oh no...just the BvS suit.
 
Honestly, I will be very surprised if Superman and Wonder Woman even trade words with each other in this film. The only hero that I'm expecting superman to have any conversation with in this film is Batman.

I hope they do. I've always seen Wonder Woman as very much a female counterpart to Superman (obviously not so much as Supergirl, but she's family!) and I'd like to see more interaction between them. The other heroes all have notably different powersets but WW and Superman both share increased strength, speed, endurance, flight (in some cases for WW), and both have a similar mindset about doing the right thing.
 
Yeah it's pretty cool how Henry is in cosplay. Wait..oh no...just the BvS suit.

Lol! I like the BvS suit....but GAWDDAMN do I absolutely LOOOOOOOOOOVE the MoS suit. It's perfection.
 
Lol! I like the BvS suit....but GAWDDAMN do I absolutely LOOOOOOOOOOVE the MoS suit. It's perfection.

It just looks so fake compared to MoS suit. I'd love to know why they changed some things. Mostly the muscle definition. MoS suit had that silver muscle suit underneath the fabric which make some really natural looking muscle definition. Like, when he would bend and move the muscles would look natural as if they were clinging on his bare skin. But with the BvS suit....all the definition is just painted onto the fabric...and it just looks awkward.
And it sadly seems to be even worse with the JL suit. You look at the photos released of him, specifically the calves....it looks stupid.
 
I also wouldn't be surprised if there is going to be an Ultimate Edition of JL like they did with BvS.

I really really hope there's an 3hr ultimate edition of JL but not at the expense of a terrible theatrical cut I want both to be good is that too much to ask for
 
Lol! I like the BvS suit....but GAWDDAMN do I absolutely LOOOOOOOOOOVE the MoS suit. It's perfection.

To me the BvS is more refined. The gauntlets and piping are better designed and finished.

I loved the MoS suit, but the BvS and JL suits are even better and look great on screen. IMHO.
 
I really really hope there's an 3hr ultimate edition of JL but not at the expense of a terrible theatrical cut I want both to be good is that too much to ask for

3+ is ok for me...with the same conditions...
 
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