Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - Part 16

[Tra-El]

The good news is that we KNOW the studio has talked to top talent like Vaughn about Superman. I believe WB is way more aware of Superman's situation than ever before because quite frankly, the character has never been in this type of cinematic limelight for awhile. Superman Returns was one and done. We're on Cavill's 3rd outing and the fanbase is now more vocal than ever. I think it's going to happen, especially in this new age. They got to get Superman right.

Plain and f#$&cking simple.

 

[Tra-El]

Conrad on Twitter just an hour ago:

"MoS2 is coming. That's all I'll say."

 

[kguillou]

MoS2 with Cavill will get me back in the DCEU cuz as of right now, I'm checked out of it. Make it happen, people.

 

[Tra-El]

I fully expect SDCC to be Superman's stage as the next big announcement. Mquarrie was quoted to say "They know where to find me" when being asked about the next Superman film so the seat is warming up with potential suitors. Wonder if these types of comments that catch fire will put heat on guys like Vaughn to commit if WB wants something done for July in SD.

 

[STARMAN]

I created an arbitrary date in my head. If we don't have anything by the end of the summer then I'm letting it go.

 

[flickchick85]

Conrad on Twitter just an hour ago:

"MoS2 is coming. That's all I'll say."

I know I'm supposed to take these things with a grain of salt, but I can't help it.

 

[Arachnerd]

Conrad on Twitter just an hour ago:

"MoS2 is coming. That's all I'll say."

How reliable is this guy, if at all?

 

[STARMAN]

Wasn't Conrad on this thread a month or so ago?

We've been burned many times. So I'm not holding my breath but I'm rooting for it to happen.

 

[Herolee10]

I won't believe that there is an MOS 2 until we start getting set photos of them in production.

 

[DerekLake]

Announce a director, writer(s) and production start date and I’ll believe it. I really do want a MOS 2 to happen, but WB just doesn’t really seem to know how to make him work. Which is a shame, because I think there’s certainly enough successful comic book material and other films (i.e., quality MCU films) to at least get an idea for how to make a somewhat well-received and financially successful Superman film.

 

[Micromind]

Which quality MCU films can give an idea on how to make a Superman movie ?

Thor 3 ? or Gotg 2 ? or Civil War ? I see nothing in those films that can be applied to a Superman movie.

 

[Tra-El]

I know I'm supposed to take these things with a grain of salt, but I can't help it.

Same here flick! Though I do NOT get even close to the excitement of getting my hopes up as I once did (I learned) I still get butterflies at the thought. As a Superman fan, I'll practice the preach so I'll always have HOPE.

Though, I'm good on gut feelings. My gut is telling me this is Superman's year and just to be patient for a bigger stage.

 

[Tra-El]

Which quality MCU films can give an idea on how to make a Superman movie ?

Thor 3 ? or Gotg 2 ? or Civil War ? I see nothing in those films that can be applied to a Superman movie.

Probably Winter Soldier. Seriously, Superman withstands and owns every quality. He's badass, he's compassionate, he's sensitive, he's understanding, he's compossed, he's funny, he's stoic and he's loving. He also should be taking serious because in action, he doesn't take any sh#$t.

It shouldn't be hard to strike a balance. I want WB to man up and still own their grounded and darker tone when it comes to balance while still having Superman go big or go home.

 

[STARMAN]

It can be done. I'll never stop believing in the character and it's ability to be creatively and commercially successful on the big screen again. I still believe in Cavill too.

 

[harlequinade]

Conrad on Twitter just an hour ago:

"MoS2 is coming. That's all I'll say."

The only way we are getting Mos2 is only if the next DC movies are successful and people absolutely love Cavill's cameo in shazam and he himself pushes for the sequel

otherwise this is so dead

 

[Mandon Knight]

The only way we are getting Mos2 is only if the next DC movies are successful and people absolutely love Cavill's cameo in shazam and he himself pushes for the sequel

otherwise this is so dead

and we all chip in....

 

[Black Narcissus]

Ya'll talking like his cameo in Shazam is a given, I ain't too sure about that anymore.

 

[Tra-El]

We didn't even see a thing from Aquaman yet, let alone an official pic of Shazam so they are not going to show their hand with anything Superman related yet if he's involved. Hell, we don't even know anything about Reeves' The Batman development so we got to remain patient. I think Superman is going to be saved for a big stage.

 

[misslane38]

Thank you. In general, how the Russos have approached Cap (or rather, the logic behind that approach) can inform a good Superman film. They updated, without radically changing, the core aspects of the character. They didn’t try to “fix” Cap.

From what? The general audience didn't know what to expect. It's not like there's as much of a cinematic or television history for Captain America.

And they gave a multi-sided view of the character and set him within a world that was grounded, but still inhabited by the fantastical and otherworldly.

Multi-sided view? We barely know anything about him. We never meet his parents or see his childhood. He has one friend and one girl he liked that he didn't get to spend enough time with to be anything serious. His world is not comparable in terms of the balance of grounded and fantastical. The fantastical is no where close to what one would expect even in the most grounded of Superman stories. An alien with the immense power Superman has is bound to have a different impact on who he is and the world he inhabits.

I think BvS went awry in that it, like MoS, was a bit too focused on exploring Superman in a completely negative world, resulting in a Superman who is only burdened and troubled.

It's no good to use erroneous absolutes like completely and only. The world in MoS and BvS was conflicted; there was no consensus. Within that world, there were examples of people like Lois, Hardy, Swanwick, Finch, and even Perry and Alfred who were supportive of Superman or simply had concerns. The world as a whole seemed to embrace Superman with monuments, symbols signaling their desire for his help, puff pieces in newspapers, and supporters outside of the senate hearing. In fact, it was more that Lex, Bruce, and Wallace represented people who were frustrated with the fact that the public seemed to be believing what they saw as a lie about Superman. Superman is burdened and troubled because he has a lot of responsibility, and the public and he are working through the difficult "conversation" that needed to happen to negotiate the power dynamics of their relationship. Meanwhile, Clark has moments of joy, like when he learns about his Kryptonian heritage, flirts with and kisses Lois, starts work as a reporter, surprises Lois with flowers and dinner, and embraces death for a world he believes in. I believe there is a heaviness in these films but not to the extent that your hyperbole describes.

 

[Black Narcissus]

We didn't even see a thing from Aquaman yet, let alone an official pic of Shazam so they are not going to show their hand with anything Superman related yet if he's involved. Hell, we don't even know anything about Reeves' The Batman development so we got to remain patient. I think Superman is going to be saved for a big stage.

I hope so, but a huge cameo like Batman being in Skwad was leaked, how can they keep the flying bald man hidden from us, especially shooting on location/outside? I want a mos2 man, I really do.

 

[Tra-El]

There was a lot of movement going on with sets when BvS and Squad were happening. The activity was just much higher in traffic then. Even getting the Batmobile on set is hard to hide. Cavill can be hidden easier if they wanted to do so. Other than the bus pics from Shazam, there hasn't been much leaks.

That's my spin lol.

 

[GreenKToo]

The problem ( as I see it ) in making a successful superman film, is that the directors try to reinvent the wheel.
They want to make him "cool", and in doing so, they ignore his basic traits and what has made him popular for 80 years.
Superman is not mopey, emo, sad, unsure, use whatever adjective you want to use.

Superman is hopeful, inspires, loves to use his powers, is proud, but he doesn't think the small stuff is beneath him, ie, purse snatches, car jackers etc,etc.

Give superman a proper villain, like brainiac.
Give his Clark plenty to do at the dp also.
We want to see him as much as we do Superman.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Superman Red Son
Superman in Injustice League

Is by far my favorite kind of Superman. lol

 

[STARMAN]

Cavill and Levi have been teasing each other on social media. Maybe that's a subtle clue. Or maybe I'm grasping at straws.

 

[Tra-El]

I really didn't see much reinventing of Superman in Snyder's version. Other than changing some of the mythology to fit Snyder's version, the concept of Superman in Man of Steel was an ambitious; familiar take. Clark showed many shades of a hopeful character in MoS and BvS was supposed to set up a darker world of which Batman came from so it was just slow burning but speaking of someone who followed Superman for awhile and read many of his source material, Cavill's version is familiar and I recognize his world.

Snyder's biggest misstep in BvS was not showing Superman's heroic acts in those 18 months from MoS-BvS. Showing Superman interact with the public more would have done wonders.