Whenever people dont like a certain thing, they attribute it to "doesnt get the character" or "not a real fan". It happens from both sides... fans can love Superman and not like certain interpretations. And Snyder does get Superman, much more than some of these naysayers do, or claim. Its plain and simple gatekeeping.
Yup and whenever someone (or usually the majority) criticize Snyder's work, alot of Snyder fanatics just say
"oh that's because you don't get the man's genius" while some of us
so called Superman fans respond by saying
"Snyder doesn't get Superman" and round and round we go and it's annoying as ****.....on both sides. But what is more annoying is whenever someone says they don't like Snyder's Superman, some of his fans' go to line is
"then stick to the cheesy Reeve(no S) version" you know the same version that inspired Nolan, Singer, Jenkins, Bayona, Feige and even James Mangold (yup
Superman:TM was one of the main inspirations for
Logan). People need to learn to be more respectful to a movie that is now part of the AFI list even if they don't like it and more importantly people need to learn that
most of the audience who reject Snyder's Superman tend to do so because it doesn't work for them, no anti-Snyder or pro Chris Reeve agendas necessary.
As for Snyder
getting Superman, well that's clearly false because the general audience who showed up in masses for MOS and BvS openings ran for the hill the following week and those movies suffered massive drops and by the time JL opened people were so checked out that a film that has the world's most famous superheroes opened less than a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Getting a character is making said character appealing to the general public and according to the general audience who have little pre-conceived attachment to these character Snyder failed miserably in that regard, with Superman and Batman alike. That ofcourse doesn't negate your love for the man's take on these characters but when it comes to these 200+million movies, it's the opinion of the majority that counts.
It definitely an arc. You dont have to like it, but Clark definitely goes through the hero's journey.
You and I obviously understand the word
arc differently. For me a character dying or turning evil isn't an arc, not unless the character's personality doesn't change in the process. Superman was forced to reveal himself to the world, then he died and came back to life and he's exactly the same, this is symbolized by him wearing the black suit at the end indicating that he's still as
dark as ever.
I said before, Whedon's Superman was flawed as hell but atleast the Superman he gave us is clearly different than the Superman we saw in MOS and BvS, he was more personable, more cheerful, indicating that death earned him a new lease on life.
It happened in S:TAS as well so its not some out of character edgy faux deep thing some imply. You say its not deep, but who said it was meant to be? Its a common storytelling concept, the fall to the dark side, as popularised in Star Wars.
To be fair, very few people accuse Snyder of being "deep", outside his fans that is. As for Superman turning evil, well some of you act as if that's something new and refreshing, Superman has gone evil in:
1. Superman III
2. Superboy TV show (cool 2-part episodes called the "way to hell")
3. STAS
4. JL (kinda, with the Justice lords)
5. Smallville (atleast 3 times)
6. The comics (several times including "king of the world" saga and "injustice")
7. CW (during that awful crisis crossover that I continue to regret wasting time on).
It's been done to death, so how about trying something new.
Its a beautiful arc where we see his birth, death, rebirth, fall, and redemption. We see him go through every emotion, and not just be this constant one note character. Every movie so far, Clark has been different, changed. He's learning, growing. I loved the metaphor of the butterfly, like which, he is also reborn. I loved seeing Clark and Superman in ZSJL, and the reaction has been positive so far, so that's good.
Yeah, again I disagree, he's the same
dark Superman that seems to be allergic to dialogue and afraid of interacting with others especially when wearing his suit.
But if I recall correctly, Snyder said he was wearing it because it has regenerative abilities and he’s not fully back to his full power level after dying, right?
I’m just wondering if people who haven’t read the Return of Superman comic (where if I recall correctly, the black suit helped protect him because his power levels were way down) would have any idea why he wore it.
No, he said that Superman has to "earn it" or some nonsense like that. And no there was no explanation what so ever for the blacksuit, I think the audience are supposed to either: know the comic storyline or just accept that it's "cool" to have Superman wear a black suit.
It's somewhat nonsensical for Bruce to continue doing that..but he still does.
