BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[titansupes]

Cavill won't be Bond. In spite of how great he'd be at it, EON (Nor even WB) wouldn't want to share him by playing two hugely iconic characters at once, I don't think.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm fine with Cavill not playing Bond. I don't really have a huge need to see him in that role. I want Superman to work out even more for him and to see him in different roles in between his Superman duties.

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, I never understand the desire to see an actor occupy multiple franchise roles at once. He's Superman. Let him be Superman.

 

[AnneFan]

Yep. I think he would've been a good Bond actually, but I think the ship has sailed.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I never understand the desire to see an actor occupy multiple franchise roles at once. He's Superman. Let him be Superman.

Yeah, I think he'd be a great Bond but there are plenty of other actors out there who aren't also playing iconic characters that would probably work better.

I do hope, however, that Henry lands another smooth-talking, womanizer type character in the future again. It makes me sad UNCLE wasn't a hit (and a better movie). Ritchie really screwed the pooch on that film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have to admit...I still haven't seen U.N.C.L.E. I've been dragging my feet because of how obnoxious I found Sherlock Holmes.

 

[Tra-El]

I rented U.N.C.L.E a few months ago when it came out on DVD. It was a lot of fun. Hammer was great and Cavill seemed to keep the beats of the film moving along and carried it in some spots since Hammer was more of the "tempered" character. The both of them were fun in it and had solid chemistry. My wife enjoyed it as well.

 

[Boy Scout]

I have to admit...I still haven't seen U.N.C.L.E. I've been dragging my feet because of how obnoxious I found Sherlock Holmes.

I didn't think Holmes was anything special, honestly. There was potential there, but a good chunk of it was just boring. And McAdams was just bad. But we're getting off topic.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

McAdams was indeed bad, I like her but find her to be a hit or miss actress.

I think I'm going to eventually see it for the cast Tra El.

 

[Herolee10]

https://***********/BatmanvSuperman/with_replies

Talk about funny thing. The night when I, along with a few others, note on how Warner Bros needs to release something Superman-Centric for this film's promotion, this shows up...and it is glorious.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

As much as I love this new shot of Superman you just know that the next 20 will be Batman/Bruce wayne centric, then maybe 1 of CK/Supes then another 20 of Batman/Bruce wayne lol. If we could get maybe 2/3 of Supes in a row then 2/3 of Bats and so on. Then I'll be happy.

 

[Black Narcissus]

^^^^

Lawd.

 

[sportjames23]

It doesn't matter though BH/HHH if it's a new Batman or not. The point is Batman has dominated the movies for the past 10 years because of Nolan. Batman as a character has had his time to shine. Why can't Superman have his time to be fleshed out and made relevant again?. Because of the Nolan movies general audiences now also love Batman, so they'll be interested no matter the version of Batman they get. No need for WB to have to prove anything with this film. The only character they have never gotten right and really need to is Superman. Give him his due.

Agreement.

We're flooded with Batman stuff ALL the time.

How many Batman cartoons have we had since the Timmverse vs how many Superman cartoons? I'm not talking about Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, I mean solo cartoons? Like 3 to 1 in favor of Batman, right?

How much Batman merchandise gets pushed compared to not just Superman, but the rest of the DCU? Go to any online toy store and you'll see Batman has his own section apart from the DCU. Some stores MAY have a Superman section, but he's generally included with the rest of the DC characters.

And don't get me started on video games. How hard is it to come up with an awesome Superman game? Superman has plenty of cool and powerful villains to use and Metropolis would look stunning with today's console/pc graphics.

Just tired of Superman always taking a backseat to Batman when it comes to DC/WB. They've been doing this crap since 1986 and it's way past old now. And fans of other characters have it worse. Just respect the character that put DC on the map.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Agreement.

We're flooded with Batman stuff ALL the time.

How many Batman cartoons have we had since the Timmverse vs how many Superman cartoons? I'm not talking about Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, I mean solo cartoons? Like 3 to 1 in favor of Batman, right?

How much Batman merchandise gets pushed compared to not just Superman, but the rest of the DCU? Go to any online toy store and you'll see Batman has his own section apart from the DCU. Some stores MAY have a Superman section, but he's generally included with the rest of the DC characters.

And don't get me started on video games. How hard is it to come up with an awesome Superman game? Superman has plenty of cool and powerful villains to use and Metropolis would look stunning with today's console/pc graphics.

Just tired of Superman always taking a backseat to Batman when it comes to DC/WB. They've been doing this crap since 1986 and it's way past old now. And fans of other characters have it worse. Just respect the character that put DC on the map.

You can still have fun with that Nintendo 64 Superman game.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Agreement.

We're flooded with Batman stuff ALL the time.

How many Batman cartoons have we had since the Timmverse vs how many Superman cartoons? I'm not talking about Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, I mean solo cartoons? Like 3 to 1 in favor of Batman, right?

How much Batman merchandise gets pushed compared to not just Superman, but the rest of the DCU? Go to any online toy store and you'll see Batman has his own section apart from the DCU. Some stores MAY have a Superman section, but he's generally included with the rest of the DC characters.

And don't get me started on video games. How hard is it to come up with an awesome Superman game? Superman has plenty of cool and powerful villains to use and Metropolis would look stunning with today's console/pc graphics.

Just tired of Superman always taking a backseat to Batman when it comes to DC/WB. They've been doing this crap since 1986 and it's way past old now. And fans of other characters have it worse. Just respect the character that put DC on the map.

I like you. .....A lot. (No homo)

 

[sportjames23]

I'm noticing a pattern at SHH, it's either say something about Henry's hair or debating MOS for the millionth time that details every god damn thread. Give it a god damn rest please!

This. So very much this.

 

[sf2]

Presenting Brit Award alongside supermodel Jourdan Dunn --she must be wearing killer heels 'cause she's about 5'10'':

wow.. she has looong neck!

 

[sf2]

^^^^

Lawd.

spot on. just the live version looks much better.

 

[Superchan]

We're flooded with Batman stuff ALL the time.

How many Batman cartoons have we had since the Timmverse vs how many Superman cartoons? I'm not talking about Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, I mean solo cartoons? Like 3 to 1 in favor of Batman, right?

When it comes to quantity superman has never come out wanting. Many people forget about Legion of superheroes, which was a superman centered ensemble show (think Batman brave and the bold) and lets not forget that superman had 2 live action tv shows in the last 20 years (L&C, Smallville) in addition to STAS and the aforementioned LOSH. Also don't forget about supergirl being a show very heavy on superman mythology.

How much Batman merchandise gets pushed compared to not just Superman, but the rest of the DCU? Go to any online toy store and you'll see Batman has his own section apart from the DCU. Some stores MAY have a Superman section, but he's generally included with the rest of the DC characters.

True batman has more toys but superman isn't lacking in that department either; I've been to Thailand, Singapore and Dubai recently and I can tell you there are shops literally dedicated to superman merchandise and toys.

And don't get me started on video games. How hard is it to come up with an awesome Superman game? Superman has plenty of cool and powerful villains to use and Metropolis would look stunning with today's console/pc graphics.

You have a point there but a character like superman is much harder to do justice in videogame form than batman, still if the rumours are to be believed then a superman game is coming in the near future.
Personally I would rather wait another 20 years for a decent superman game than get the crap fest that was the N64 STAS game.
Superman has had a number of recent games on PS2 and xbox like shadow of apacolypse, Man of steel and Superman returns and non of them really hit the mark so I say let them take their time and give the character a game worthy of his name.

Just tired of Superman always taking a backseat to Batman when it comes to DC/WB. They've been doing this crap since 1986 and it's way past old now. And fans of other characters have it worse. Just respect the character that put DC on the map.

Honestly I will say this again, this inferiority complex that superman fans seem to have developed recently needs to stop, the character isn't lacking in quantity of media depictions or merchandise, what is really lacking is quality I don't want a trilogy of mediocre solo films but rather one film, which depicts superman with respect even if isn't a solo film, I don't a dozen crappy videogames but rather a single quality one. Such things require time and patience and I believe they will eventually happen.

 

[elgaz]

Superman might be getting handled a bit better now than he was in some properties, but in terms of overall exposure I don't think he's been playing second fiddle to Batman. Has the massive adulation for the Nolan films (cementing Batman's 'iconic' status in public consciousness) skewered people's perspectives a little?

Since 1978, we've had:

6 Superman films
7 Batman films

Hardly a massive difference. Superman has also had more TV properties (in the form of Superboy, Lois & Clark, and Smallville) since the 1970s. Batman only really had the 60s TV Series and then Gotham, which isn't even Bruce Wayne/Batman-centric.

In fact, if you look at the chronology of things, Superman has had some form of TV show or film (charting various stages of his life) pretty regularly since Christopher Reeve first pulled on the cape

Superman I - 1978
Superman II - 1980
Superman III - 1983
Superman IV - 1987
Superboy TV series - 1988/1992
Lois & Clark - 1993/1997
Smallville - 2001/2011
Superman Returns - 2006
Man of Steel - 2013

No matter whether you like these individual properties or not, they all helped keep Superman in the public eye as a character. I'm not even taking into account the comics or various animated series. The films and TV shows are the main ones which will find a general mass audience amongst those who aren't even Superman/Batman fans.

This notion that Superman is a little hard done by is a fallacy IMO. Batman is simply seen as a 'cooler' character by many because of his methods and somewhat anti-heroic approach as opposed to Superman's very straight up character. It doesn't mean that he's been promoted much more by the studios. And that's not me having a go at Superman by the way; despite my avatar, Superman is and will continue to be my #1 favourite superhero character of all time.

 

[morningmimosa]

And don't get me started on video games. How hard is it to come up with an awesome Superman game? Superman has plenty of cool and powerful villains to use and Metropolis would look stunning with today's console/pc graphics.

A good Superman game would be pretty rad, but I think they would have to nerf him pretty bad to keep it interesting.

 

[BH/HHH]

Talk about funny thing. The night when I, along with a few others, note on how Warner Bros needs to release something Superman-Centric for this film's promotion, this shows up...and it is glorious.

I reckon Zack heard us

 

[jokesonm3]

He's watching us.

*combs hair*

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman might be getting handled a bit better now than he was in some properties, but in terms of overall exposure I don't think he's been playing second fiddle to Batman. Has the massive adulation for the Nolan films (cementing Batman's 'iconic' status in public consciousness) skewered people's perspectives a little?

Since 1978, we've had:

6 Superman films
7 Batman films

Hardly a massive difference. Superman has also had more TV properties (in the form of Superboy, Lois & Clark, and Smallville) since the 1970s. Batman only really had the 60s TV Series and then Gotham, which isn't even Bruce Wayne/Batman-centric.

In fact, if you look at the chronology of things, Superman has had some form of TV show or film (charting various stages of his life) pretty regularly since Christopher Reeve first pulled on the cape

Superman I - 1978
Superman II - 1980
Superman III - 1983
Superman IV - 1987
Superboy TV series - 1988/1992
Lois & Clark - 1993/1997
Smallville - 2001/2011
Superman Returns - 2006
Man of Steel - 2013

No matter whether you like these individual properties or not, they all helped keep Superman in the public eye as a character. I'm not even taking into account the comics or various animated series. The films and TV shows are the main ones which will find a general mass audience amongst those who aren't even Superman/Batman fans.

This notion that Superman is a little hard done by is a fallacy IMO. Batman is simply seen as a 'cooler' character by many because of his methods and somewhat anti-heroic approach as opposed to Superman's very straight up character. It doesn't mean that he's been promoted much more by the studios. And that's not me having a go at Superman by the way; despite my avatar, Superman is and will continue to be my #1 favourite superhero character of all time.

That's a very good post and puts things into perspective.

I'll tell you the way I see it, it's not when the two are separate that the issues there it's when they're together. It's actually crazy to think that a comic released in 1986 still dominated people's minds when it comes to Batman and Superman. I think we can all agree Superman was treated such a way in that book in order to help how Batman came across and he didn't come across grea in that book himself. I think there's no danger that book created a lot of the inferiority complex that many have. When the two are together in animation and sometimes the comics it seems like most of the time Superman gets pushed out by Batman and I do think there is something there in that.

Although as you pointed out Superman has had nearly as many films as Batman and has had a lot of TV shows. I think the one thing that's actually damaged Superman as a character to the main stream was that gap of movies between the late 80s and 2006. I mean we had to wait a long time to finally get a new Superman film and by then I think the Reeve version was so ingrained that people just see the character that way. The general audience hasn't had the various comics to see how great he actually is. I really do think if WBs had gotten their s**t together sooner and gave us a good Superman trilogy in the 2000s he'd be up there with Batman in terms of the movies in popularity. Instead we saw heroes like X-Men and Spider-Man push to the forefront.

Batman is seen as a cooler and is more popular so he is going to be treated a little better cause he brings in the big bucks. My actually main issue with them pumping out Batman stuff so much is I worry people are gonna get bored of him. We really need the DCEU to work so other heroes can take the spotlight and take the pressure off Bats if you ask me.

 

[elgaz]

That's a very good post and puts things into perspective.

I'll tell you the way I see it, it's not when the two are separate that the issues there it's when they're together. It's actually crazy to think that a comic released in 1986 still dominated people's minds when it comes to Batman and Superman. I think we can all agree Superman was treated such a way in that book in order to help how Batman came across and he didn't come across grea in that book himself. I think there's no danger that book created a lot of the inferiority complex that many have. When the two are together in animation and sometimes the comics it seems like most of the time Superman gets pushed out by Batman and I do think there is something there in that.

Although as you pointed out Superman has had nearly as many films as Batman and has had a lot of TV shows. I think the one thing that's actually damaged Superman as a character to the main stream was that gap of movies between the late 80s and 2006. I mean we had to wait a long time to finally get a new Superman film and by then I think the Reeve version was so ingrained that people just see the character that way. The general audience hasn't had the various comics to see how great he actually is. I really do think if WBs had gotten their s**t together sooner and gave us a good Superman trilogy in the 2000s he'd be up there with Batman in terms of the movies in popularity. Instead we saw heroes like X-Men and Spider-Man push to the forefront.

Batman is seen as a cooler and is more popular so he is going to be treated a little better cause he brings in the big bucks. My actually main issue with them pumping out Batman stuff so much is I worry people are gonna get bored of him. We really need the DCEU to work so other heroes can take the spotlight and take the pressure off Bats if you ask me.

Agreed with both your main points there. I love the TDKR as a book, but there's very few people who can argue that Miller didn't treat Superman - as a character - very badly in order to strengthen his storyline and characterisation of Batman in the book.

The Superman I grew up with in many media (TV, comics, cartoons, and so on) was a superhero who personified the core qualities many of us aspire to - strength of character, willpower, morality, determination, conviction, and so on - and not someone who would ever become a government floozy, a God-like lapdog who just takes orders for a quiet life.

Despite that poor treatment, there's no question that it's a great book overall and I have an unmarked copy sealed away with many other of the best graphic novels from over the years that I could find. I don't hate on the book. But I always think of it as an Elseworlds type story and not one which I would consider as having any input to how the Superman character has grown and developed in comics over the years, despite it's cultural impact and status.

And in terms of the films, you raise a good point about the gap. You're right when you say there was really nothing cinematic for a long time (19 years) to take away people's enduring image of Reeve as Superman. And then when it did happen, the Director came up with a quasi-continuation of those Donner-era films anyway. As time has passed, it's become clear how idiotic an approach that was.