BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Mrs. Wayne]

If I had problems with this movie, none of them were from the actors. They all did well with what they were given to do.

 

[antonydelfini]

Goodness. I didnt like Henry in MOS and I thought MOS was a poor Superman movie. It all changed with this movie. Henry is now my favorite Superman and I think Snyder gets Superman now.

 

[MrsKent26]

Yep. It was clear that they didn't know what to do with him. I'm fine with Superman being troubled by the way the world perceives him. That can make for an interesting character arc. But you need to expand upon that at least a little bit. Show his compassion for people and his drive for making them understand that he's not a threat. Show that when the world needs a leader, he can be that guy, even if people don't want him to be.

The thing about BvS's superman is that he's exactly the same superman we got in MOS. Exactly the same. There's no growth whatsoever, which is poor writing because he has been superman for two years in BvS. We're to assume he's a great man and has been saving people all this time. That beautiful montage helps show this, but we get nothing to see how being a savior for two years has changed him. Where is the joy? Where is the self-actualized calm that comes from a man that is doing exactly what he loves?

There are aspects of BvS's superman that I understand. He's just a big ol' Kansas boy trying to do good. Of course he's saddened by the ongoings and conspiracies against him. Of course he's not prepared for this because he believes in the good of people and doesn't think they'll blow each other up. I'm fine with his naivety. We just needed something to balance all that. We needed to seeing him enjoying himself more and most of all, we needed to see him stand up and defend what he does for the world. He has hope on his chest and should not be the one giving up on his gift to the world, which is the concept of superman and his deeds. He needs to be the dude from my signature.

 

[The Guard]

There's growth. And he doesn't give up. He has his faith tested and seeks solitude to figure things out, as Superman tends to do.

 

[MrsKent26]

^ Where's the growth though?

 

[flickchick85]

Flickchick-- I'm seriously scared Snyder has evil Supes up his sleeve. Cavill could be aware of that.

I wanna say that sounds far-fetched, but after watching this film and reading Snyder's recent comments, it really doesn't anymore.

 

[The Guard]

^ Where's the growth though?

His ideas about his responsibility to and right to interfere related to human laws evolve throughout the film, but mostly his personal arc involves his feelings regarding Lois VS his obligations to the world. He goes from arguably somewhat selfish ("I don't care what they think, you are my world") and unwilling to compromise in his mission and wanting to embrace this new life he's found (which was the end result of his development in Man of Steel), to being more aware of his responsibility to the world as a hero (his pursuit of Batman is representative of this shift) and someone who is more selfless and attuned to the worlds needs, and you know how that goes.

 

[MrsKent26]

Despite my negativity above, there were superman scenes I enjoyed and I must complement this movie for giving me some genuine feels.

Did anyone else love that scene where

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Clark is preparing to attack Doomsday and Lois is getting scared because she knows what's coming. Clark looks at her say that "you're my world" line with such a sincere little smile. Great acting and chemistry there.

I'll also admit that I got a bit teary at the end

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where they show us that simple shot of Lois laying on Clark's bed in his childhood room. There was something very devastating about that.

 

[Wildcard]

His ideas about his responsibility to and right to interfere related to human laws evolve throughout the film, but mostly his personal arc involves his feelings regarding Lois VS his obligations to the world. He goes from arguably somewhat selfish ("I don't care what they think, you are my world") and unwilling to compromise in his mission and wanting to embrace this new life he's found (which was the end result of his development in Man of Steel), to being more aware of his responsibility to the world as a hero (his pursuit of Batman is representative of this shift) and someone who is more selfless and attuned to the worlds needs, and you know how that goes.

Couldn't have said it better myself. By the end of the film Clark fully understands what it means to be Superman. Up to that point, he just doesn't seem to 100% get how much of a positive symbol he was in light of the media frenzy & government based backlash.

 

[MrsKent26]

His ideas about his responsibility to and right to interfere related to human laws evolve throughout the film, but mostly his personal arc involves his feelings regarding Lois VS his obligations to the world. He goes from arguably somewhat selfish ("I don't care what they think, you are my world") and unwilling to compromise in his mission and wanting to embrace this new life he's found (which was the end result of his development in Man of Steel), to being more aware of his responsibility to the world as a hero (his pursuit of Batman is representative of this shift) and someone who is more selfless and attuned to the worlds needs, and you know how that goes.

I don't really disagree with any of this, but I still feel there wasn't enough growth from MOS. Seeing characters evolve is one of the best parts of a continuing series and I feel there could have been more here. I think they just tried to do so much in one movie that some things suffered as a result.

 

[The Guard]

Despite my negativity above, there were superman scenes I enjoyed and I must complement this movie for giving me some genuine feels.

Did anyone else love that scene where

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Clark is preparing to attack Doomsday and Lois is getting scared because she knows what's coming. Clark looks at her say that "you're my world" line with such a sincere little smile. Great acting and chemistry there.

I'll also admit that I got a bit teary at the end

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where they show us that simple shot of Lois laying on Clark's bed in his childhood room. There was something very devastating about that.

The end was incredibly, incredibly well done. Everything was note perfect.

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I wept

 

[Bantam99]

SPOILERS!!!!

Why is Superman so silent in this film? Clark has plenty of speaking roles, but Superman doesn't say anything. Not a single word during the Senator scene. He didn't even say anything when he noticed something wrong with the Senator. At least say, "is there something wrong, Senator?" So he's quiet and dumb.

The scene with Lois when he rescues her at the end... say something! "Are you ok Lois? Stay right here Lois." Anything would've been fine.

I thought Superman had little dialogue in MOS cause of Cavill's acting. After seeing him in Man from Uncle, I now know it's the script. They need to give Superman more dialogue. He stands for Hope, so he should also be able to inspire with his words.

 

[Wildcard]

SPOILERS!!!!

Why is Superman so silent in this film? Clark has plenty of speaking roles, but Superman doesn't say anything. Not a single word during the Senator scene. He didn't even say anything when he noticed something wrong with the Senator. At least say, "is there something wrong, Senator?" So he's quiet and dumb.

The scene with Lois when he rescues her at the end... say something! "Are you ok Lois? Stay right here Lois." Anything would've been fine.

I thought Superman had little dialogue in MOS cause of Cavill's acting. After seeing him in Man from Uncle, I now know it's the script. They need to give Superman more dialogue. He stands for Hope, so he should also be able to inspire with his words.

You're missing the fact that Superman had no time to talk in this instance. Shoehorning a line in for the sake of it would've just been bad business.

 

[The Guard]

This. And in court, he was being reverent.

 

[Wildcard]

This. And in court, he was being reverent.

Yep. He even later expressed regret to Lois for the way he handled the whole situation.

And his expression wasn't exactly inspiring when he walked in. He was pissed he had to be there, he didn't want to be there. Having him talk would've ruined the whole thing.

That was the point. He didn't handle it like he should have.

 

[The Guard]

Exactly.

 

[MrsKent26]

The end was incredibly, incredibly well done. Everything was note perfect.

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I wept

I'm glad I wasn't the only one. I hate crying at movies because it feels embarrassing to me for some reason, so I tried not to. But a tear slipped out during that end sequence. That Lois moment, damn. So subtle and effective.

Yep. He even later expressed regret to Lois for the way he handled the whole situation.

And his expression wasn't exactly inspiring when he walked in. He was pissed he had to be there, he didn't want to be there. Having him talk would've ruined the whole thing.

That was the point. He didn't handle it like he should have.

That's fair enough, but they needed to balance this kind of stuff with some happiness and wins for superman.

 

[The Guard]

Much of the audience I was at became very emotional.

 

[TheFuture]

The end was incredibly, incredibly well done. Everything was note perfect.

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I wept

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I was also nearly weeping, I definitely teared up. though it would have been perfect if they didn't show the dirt rise. It seemed like TDKR all over again where they didn't trust the audience to accept a film ending on such a sad note.

It lays the ground for Henry to come into his own for JL. I'll be curious to see how long he's out of action for in JL1.

Also, Costner's line I miss you son had me a little emotional. I see a lot of people moaning about Henry's lack of dialogue but I felt so much for much for him. Clark had a rough time of it in this film and Henry did an excellent job conveying that.

 

[Andreth]

Did anyone else love that scene where

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Clark is preparing to attack Doomsday and Lois is getting scared because she knows what's coming. Clark looks at her say that "you're my world" line with such a sincere little smile. Great acting and chemistry there.

I wept

they gave us THIS on the big screen:

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[MrsKent26]

^ Yep. Amy and Henry sold it. There chemistry as Clark and Lois is what made that ending work for me. Which brings me to my thoughts on the controversial ending.

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To be honest, I think it was too early in superman's characterization for that story line. We hadn't seen him come into his own enough to understand what he meant to the world. We were told, more than shown (with the exception of that montage of rescues) that he was a great man.

Luckily, the Clois parts compensated for this, in a way. They established a sweet relationship that I wanted to see more of. When Clark died and Bruce/Diana were carrying his body, I didn't think "Oh no, the world doesn't have superman anymore" because they hadn't shown me enough interactions between supes and the people to establish that yet. But I did think "Oh no, poor Lois!" because they were so sweet together. I felt her pain and it's making me a little teary even now.

 

[titansupes]

You're missing the fact that Superman had no time to talk in this instance. Shoehorning a line in for the sake of it would've just been bad business.

He had time to float slowly with her, put her on the ground, hug and kiss her while she said "you came back" a couple of times... He had time for a sentence or two.

 

[Jaxon]

^ Where's the growth though?

well he certainly tried to take the fight away from the population

 

[Andreth]

^ Yep. Amy and Henry sold it. There chemistry as Clark and Lois is what made that ending work for me. Which brings me to my thoughts on the controversial ending.

Clark just loves her SO MUCH. *bawling*

I swear everytime he looked at her he had hearts on his eyes.

He was so happy and free at the beginning, the world needs more happy Clark Kent.

 

[MrsKent26]

^ Yeah, that really came across, which is impressive considering we didn't get that many Clois scenes.