BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[BH/HHH]

Yet another thread being ruined by them. And I wouldn't even call it nitpicking. The movie is not complicated. Just like MoS, it's all there to see and hear. If you ignore it, that's your problem.

Nothing knew here that is it? People ignore stuff, jump to conclusions and say things happened that didn't. Again the are valid criticsms and opinions but when people are doing those three aswell it makes it worse.

 

[Flint Marko]

Funny, I'm far from alone in pointing out how poor Supermans characterization (or lack thereof) is in this film. It's a valid criticism.
Apparently it's all there and we're just missing it... Like I've been saying, kind of a running theme with Snyder.

 

[Tony Gunk]

The nitpickers are here, the nitpickers are here

nit·picked, nit·pick·ing, nit·picks. v.intr. To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details

Seeing as my issues are with huge glaring character flaws it's not exactly nitpicking. Have some respect too

If you simply want to hear nothing but positivity regarding the film head back over to your positivity thread. Although it isn't all positivity with you using it as some sort of vantage point from which you can take digs at the rest of us.

 

[DCnightwing23]

By the end of this movie I was left feeling that Superman is no longer this person consistently doubting himself and thinking negatively about every move he makes, his next step is get become a more confident, leader Superman given what takes place in BvS. Cavill understand's where this character was and where it needs to go. I have faith.

 

[Tony Gunk]

By the end of this movie I was left feeling that Superman is no longer this person consistently doubting himself and thinking negatively about every move he makes, his next step is get become a more confident, leader Superman given what takes place in BvS. Cavill understand's where this character was and where it needs to go. I have faith.

[BLACKOUT]me too, but only because he was dead[/BLACKOUT]

 

[DCnightwing23]

me too, but only because he was dead

Spoiler

Nope, mainly because of the conversation he has with Pa Kent. And what he says to Lois before he essentially sacrifice himself to protect his world.

 

[DCnightwing23]

The conversation Clark has with Pa Kent in this movie was simply brilliant. Cavill nailed that scene 100%, it was very moving.

 

[BH/HHH]

My favourite moment of his in the film was when he said to Lex as he was floating above the helipad at Lexcorp "I'll take you in without breaking you, which is more than you deserve"

nit·picked, nit·pick·ing, nit·picks. v.intr. To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details

Seeing as my issues are with huge glaring character flaws it's not exactly nitpicking. Have some respect too

If you simply want to hear nothing but positivity regarding the film head back over to your positivity thread. Although it isn't all positivity with you using it as some sort of vantage point from which you can take digs at the rest of us.

I'll post where I want to post thanks.

End of the day, somethings are nitpicking, it's ridiculous but it happens so hey ho.

 

[Tra-El]

Funny, I'm far from alone in pointing out how poor Supermans characterization (or lack thereof) is in this film. It's a valid criticism.
Apparently it's all there and we're just missing it... Like I've been saying, kind of a running theme with Snyder.

The people who like this portrayal are not alone either. The people who end up not liking something always has the most to say, so they are more active with words that spill into multiple other threads.

The people who do like this are accused of many things and feel the need to defend why they like it to the person who didn't. It's unfair at times because the haters are convinced that everybody hates the movie and those who do are really the bad ones when really, there are just as much people who enjoyed it than those who didn't. That's why there's a divide. It shows that people DO like this.

And trust me, I'm well aware people hate it, and thats fair. I just don't think people who hate it realize that there's many people who equally like it and feel the need to hammer them for it. It goes both ways, too.

I have a great time in respectful debates on why somebody didn't like the movie. There's a huge difference between that and sometimes wanting to not even post at all because fights break out and fellow posters accuse each other of so much. It's sad, really, but such is life.

 

[The Guard]

I don't think anyone will deny they can do more with Superman, especially with regard to personality. But to deny they didn't develop him or address any of the issues people bad with the previous film is silly. They just didn't get all the way there, which is an issue of preference.

It's a question of degree of importance and balance, not presence or existence period.

 

[Tony Gunk]

What was the line he had near the end before he flies away from Lois to confront Batman? "people don't stay good" or something like that?

I can't remember exactly but I do remember shaking my head because it was something Superman would never say.

 

[Tra-El]

I believe he said "There really can't be any good in this world" but I may be paraphrasing.

He didn't say people. He's pretty much saying that he's being forced to do a bad thing that he doesn't want to do. He's devastated that he believes he won't be able to convince Bruce in time. If it wasn't for Lois, Clark would have been right and he would of died right then and there.

 

[BH/HHH]

There's been so many interpretations of Superman saying that's something Superman would never say or do is one of the most ridiculous and incorrect complaints about the character. Just more proof that some want him to be perfect right out the gate, sorry but I'd rather see characters develop rather than have everything figured out from day one.

 

[Tony Gunk]

There's been so many interpretations of Superman saying that's something Superman would never say or do is one of the most ridiculous and incorrect complaints about the character.

You can't just fall back on this "different interpretations thing" every time. Superman would never say that, it's not what the character is about, in fact it goes against the point of the character completely.

It was a ridiculous line, and to top it off, Cavill as much as I rate him, delivered it in a very strange way.

 

[Tra-El]

I took it that even though all this time he's trying to do the right thing; do good, it still put him in a position to do a bad thing in the end.

Supes trying to convince Bruce was amazing and his character shined. "Bruce, you got to believe me. THERE'S NO TIME." Clark was pleading at that point. And desperate. It showed he needed a partnership right then and there. He dropped the petty crap and was doing what was right.

 

[BH/HHH]

You can't just fall back on this "different interpretations thing" every time. Superman would never say that, it's not what the character is about, in fact it goes against the point of the character completely.

It was a ridiculous line, and to top it off, Cavill as much as I rate him, delivered it in a very strange way.

Yes we can, Suoerman has changed over the years he hasn't always been a character that does and says the perfect thing.

I disagree

 

[Tony Gunk]

I took it that even though all this time he's trying to do the right thing; do good, it still put him in a position to do a bad thing in the end.

Supes trying to convince Bruce was amazing and his character shined. "Bruce, you got to believe me. THERE'S NO TIME." Clark was pleading at that point. And desperate. It showed he needed a partnership right then and there. He dropped the petty crap and was doing what was right.

Mate, I could go off on this film all day. That's another thing I had a hard time buying.

He tries to reason with Bruce for 5 seconds, then decides to throw him around, did he never consider just speaking up again and saying "Listen Bruce, Lex has manipulated us, he's got my mom and he's pitting us against each other"?

I just can't get past stuff like this, I'm sorry but I can't.

 

[Tra-El]

You can't just fall back on this "different interpretations thing" every time. Superman would never say that, it's not what the character is about, in fact it goes against the point of the character completely.

It was a ridiculous line, and to top it off, Cavill as much as I rate him, delivered it in a very strange way.

He delivered it nicely. He was scared. He only had so much time to convince an angry Bat that wants nothing more than to kill him, not to kill him. He was preparing for failure, but it didn't stop him from trying.

 

[The Guard]

Mate, I could go off on this film all day. That's another thing I had a hard time buying.

He tries to reason with Bruce for 5 seconds, then decides to throw him around, did he never consider just speaking up again and saying "Listen Bruce, Lex has manipulated us, he's got my mom and he's pitting us against each other"?

I just can't get past stuff like this, I'm sorry but I can't.

Wouldn't have worked, at least it would have had less emotional impact. It worked when it did because Bruce has him at his mercy about to kill him and only then realizes what he's about to do and what that means in relation to his own loss and how far over the line he is.

 

[MrsKent26]

I didn't like that line, either. Cavill's delivery was fine, but it wasn't superman.

I'm not opposed to making supes seem accessible and human, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of who the character actually is. Yes, it was a horrible thing Lex wanted, but superman is the one who never gives up. He should have been saying "I'll find a way..." He's not rookie supes anymore.

 

[The Guard]

What wasn't Superman?

Oh. Yeah no that's not classic Superman. But this version is conflicted. It makes sense for this version who is only now seeing this level of backlash from the world.

 

[Tra-El]

Mate, I could go off on this film all day. That's another thing I had a hard time buying.

He tries to reason with Bruce for 5 seconds, then decides to throw him around, did he never consider just speaking up again and saying "Listen Bruce, Lex has manipulated us, he's got my mom and he's pitting us against each other"?

I just can't get past stuff like this, I'm sorry but I can't.

Why did he decide to throw him around? Because Batman had the place boobie trapped. Bruce wasn't listening. He was baiting. Supes took two steps as Bruce was walking away slowly and right away, Supes was stuck in a super sonic wave of electricity and had machine guns rattling off at him. The fight took a turn when he was hit with Kryptonite. These weapons were deigned to hurt and kill Clark. He just didn't decide to start throwing Bruce around. He was fighting restrained at that point and he was weakened. At that point, he had to fight for his life. Bruce had him under the influence of Kryptonite and fear.

 

[MrsKent26]

What wasn't Superman?

"I guess people can't stay good" or whatever it was.

Superman always believes people can stay good, even when faced with a situation like that.

Mind you, I did like how he seemed to believe Bruce could be reasoned with. That is supermanish.

 

[PacificBoy]

But later he was less restrained, like the point when he regained some strength and hovered before driving Batman through some brick and mortar. He could have attempted to stop fighting and reason and explain the situation to him.

 

[Tra-El]

I didn't like that line, either. Cavill's delivery was fine, but it wasn't superman.

I'm not opposed to making supes seem accessible and human, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of who the character actually is. Yes, it was a horrible thing Lex wanted, but superman is the one who never gives up. He should have been saying "I'll find a way..." He's not rookie supes anymore.

But he did find a way, and there was only one way. His way was convincing Bruce to fight alongside him. The quote came as a straight up fear that he wouldn't be able to convince Bruce. Bruce isn't the type that is easily convincable and Clark questioned that it could be done. He was preparing for the worst. And he only had so little time.