BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[The Guard]

Even if we're fortunate enough for Superman to not come back possessed or evil/out of his mind, there's no indication that Superman will play a major active role outside of being one of the big guns for fighting against whoever the major threat is.

Frankly, it's depressing and saddening to see Superman being robbed of his canonical heritage of being a part of the JL when it forms. What's the point of adding Superman to the lineup if the group is already functioning and gathered by the time he joins in? What's the point of having him in the middle of the group for the concept art? It's pretty much like when Wolverine and Storm robbed Cyclops of his leadership role due to Hugh's and Hallie's higher star status.


@Andreth: Did Amy really confirm that she's also coming back for JL2?

So I take it you havent seen the Justice League concept art with Superman in the center...

 

[Mainline]

He's saying with Superman there the league forms to easily/quickly, without him it's a struggle for Batman to find all these guys. JL will have Batman assembling the team but it will also have Superman lead them toward the Sun. Given Terrio said MOS, BvS and JLP1 are a trilogy it's obvious he will be back fully in the film at a certain point to inspire the team.

I don't think the League forms easily, but I think it negates the need for a League. I think they're saying with Superman's stature, power, and willingness to take on everything, no one else steps up. Think about it. Superman has been doing this for 2 years and no one else went public. Maybe inspired to do the odd good deed, like Flash, but they were content to let Superman be Earth's savior. That's how important and significant he is, you don't need a Justice League with him around.

Then, after they've formed, inspired by Batman inspired by Superman, they'll probably find they ALSO need Superman still.

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't think the League forms easily, but I think it negates the need for a League. I think they're saying with Superman's stature, power, and willingness to take on everything, no one else steps up. Think about it. Superman has been doing this for 2 years and no one else went public. Maybe inspired to do the odd good deed, like Flash, but they were content to let Superman be Earth's savior. That's how important and significant he is, you don't need a Justice League with him around.

Then, after they've formed, inspired by Batman inspired by Superman, they'll probably find they ALSO need Superman still.

I didn't say they would, I'm saying paraphrasing what Snyder said, he's saying if Superman and Batman together go for these guys they'll find them and convince them easily. But Batman on his own it will be a tougher sell, and I think they will only truly unite when Superman returns and inspires them.

 

[HELLilac]

Because she handled him really well while Superman got his ass kicked?

She never got THAT close to Doomsday. Supes fought Doomsday in a more physical way that why he took harder beatings but he also had more direct hits in as well. That laser eyes duel was so cool!

Jeez.. You people could only remember what you wanted to see.

 

[BH/HHH]

She never got THAT close to Doomsday. Supes fought Doomsday in a more physical way that why he took harder beatings but he also had more direct hits in as well. That laser eyes duel was so cool!

Jeez.. You people could only remember what you wanted to see.

 

[Tony Gunk]

She never got THAT close to Doomsday. Supes fought Doomsday in a more physical way that why he took harder beatings but he also had more direct hits in as well. That laser eyes duel was so cool!

Jeez.. You people could only remember what you wanted to see.

I wanted to see proper portrayal of Superman and I certainly don't remember that.

 

[BH/HHH]

It was a proper portrayal it just wasn't the portrayal you wanted

 

[HELLilac]

My thoughts on the EW article and Snyder's comments...

I read people say he doesn't get Superman and I read that and think they could not be more wrong. To many people took that comment that he wants Superman out the way simply because he doesn't like him (he clearly does he's done two fracking movies about him). He's saying with Superman there the league forms to easily/quickly, without him it's a struggle for Batman to find all these guys. JL will have Batman assembling the team but it will also have Superman lead them toward the Sun. Given Terrio said MOS, BvS and JLP1 are a trilogy it's obvious he will be back fully in the film at a certain point to inspire the team.

At no point in his interview did he say anything along that line. That's just our fans hoping. This is what he said.

With him out of the picture, the League can’t rely on his invulnerability either. And a part of the reason they team up is to find a way to bring Superman back – much like the goal of Star Wars: The Force Awakens was to rediscover Luke Skywalker.

“I felt like there’s a mythological journey for Superman,” Snyder says. “There’s the birth, death, and resurrection thing. And when you bring him back, who knows what he is when he comes back.”

So he's gonna use Supes death as a plot device for JL "quest" and then very likely turning him into something else instead of joining them. It's interesting for the fans of other characters because he won't be around to snatch anyone's screen time.

 

[BH/HHH]

At no point in his interview did he say anything along that line. That's just our fans hoping. This is what he said.

So he's gonna use Supes death as a plot device for JL "quest" and then very likely turning him into something else instead of joining them. It's interesting for the fans of other characters because he won't be around to snatch anyone's screen time.

Of course he didn't and maybe it is a little hope but he talks about Superman been there basically means the league formation is easy. The fact Terrio has said MOS, BvS and JL are a trilogy to me says Superman is the core of that trilogy.

Your latter comment is just bizarre and is also a leap.

 

[sf2]

Of course he didn't and maybe it is a little hope but he talks about Superman been there basically means the league formation is easy. The fact Terrio has said MOS, BvS and JL are a trilogy to me says Superman is the core of that trilogy.

Your latter comment is just bizarre and is also a leap.

if the villain/s is from superman ragues gallery, like darkside / brainiac, we have nothing to worry about. superman will be the core of the story.

 

[Tony Gunk]

It was a proper portrayal it just wasn't the portrayal you wanted

Superman doesn't act like, or say some of what's in that film and you struggle to find many comics where he does too.

so for me, no, it's a rather terrible characterisation of Superman.

 

[Rowsdower!]

My concern about what he said is that JL will feel like The Search for Spock and Superman won't even show up until the third act. And since it's a team movie, maybe that could have worked since they want to introduce the new characters. The problem I have (and what many other people seem to have) is that Superman didn't feel like a main character in THIS movie. His treatment is much like it was in Superman Returns. Everyone talks about him, or talks TO him, but he's really only there to drop in and save the day or get lectured to. He's not given enough dialogue or scenes where he's actually the central focus for us to really know what the hell he's thinking. Such a missed opportunity.

Look, for those of you that liked it, please understand, I'm not trying to ruin it for you. I'm glad you enjoyed it and you thought Supes was handled well. But this is a key reason why many of us were disappointed. I feel like Cavill was born to play this role, and all Snyder and WB care about is BATMAN BATMAN BATMAN. The ironic thing here is that a big criticism of the Burton and Schumacher Batman films was that Batman never felt like the main character in any of them. Some people even said the same thing about Nolan's Batman trilogy. Yet the one time where he's indisputably the central character... is in a Superman sequel.

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman doesn't act like, or say some of what's in that film and you struggle to find many comics where he does too.

so for me, no, it's a rather terrible characterisation of Superman.

You need to read more Superman comics then.

Its your opinion but its not a fact that this wasn't Superman.

 

[sf2]

Superman doesn't act like, or say some of what's in that film and you struggle to find many comics where he does too.

so for me, no, it's a rather terrible characterisation of Superman.

tell me, can the bone of doomsday pierce thru wonderwoman body? will your version of superman letting the lady doing the job?

 

[Tony Gunk]

You need to read more Superman comics then.

Its your opinion but its not a fact that this wasn't Superman.

I don't think I do. I'd rather just get the version of the character that actually made him the biggest and most loved Superhero in the world (before he was tampered with a dethroned by Batman).

That would have been common sense. Even Cavill knows it when he feels the need to remind everyone "This isn't the Superman we all know and love".

 

[Tony Gunk]

tell me, can the bone of doomsday pierce thru wonderwoman body? will your version of superman letting the lady doing the job?

Wonder Woman, feminist icon. You want Superman stepping in out of chivalry?

Geez, you don't understand Wonder Woman much either if that's your line of thinking.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't think I do. I'd rather just get the version of the character that actually made him the biggest and most loved Superhero in the world (before he was tampered with a dethroned by Batman).

That would have been common sense. Even Cavill knows it when he feels the need to remind everyone "This isn't the Superman we all know and love".

He actually said that?

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't think I do. I'd rather just get the version of the character that actually made him the biggest and most loved Superhero in the world (before he was tampered with a dethroned by Batman).

That would have been common sense. Even Cavill knows it when he feels the need to remind everyone "This isn't the Superman we all know and love".

So there you admit its simply not what you want. Its still Superman whether you like it or not.

What Cavill has said is we're seeing Superman's development ON FILM that we haven't really seen before. He doesn't just get the suit and has it all worked out.

 

[sf2]

I don't think I do. I'd rather just get the version of the character that actually made him the biggest and most loved Superhero in the world (before he was tampered with a dethroned by Batman).

That would have been common sense. Even Cavill knows it when he feels the need to remind everyone "This isn't the Superman we all know and love".

btw, if it was like what you suggested, wonderwoman to do the killing, the rage and the hate on BvS & superman will erupt till 7th heaven.

seriously, you don't get superman.

 

[The Guard]

The argument that Superman would rather sacrifice himself than further endanger someone else is perfectly reasonable. He doesn't even know Wonder Woman's limits.

 

[Rapunzel]

The Star Wars TFA analogy was NOT Snyder talking. Those aren't words from his mouth-- it's the EW writer, Breznican, talking.

As for "who knows what he'll be?" I agree the line is concerning, but Snyder could just be trying to sound mysterious and cool. Plus, it's not like he's gonna tell us what's gonna happen specifically.

 

[samsnee]

They haven't given Superman his fair due in two movies so far, I see no reason why we should expect they will in the next one.

 

[Rapunzel]

The argument that Superman would rather sacrifice himself than further endanger someone else is perfectly reasonable. He doesn't even know Wonder Woman's limits.

This. Superman isn't afraid of death and isn't gonna pass the buck. That would have killed this portrayal. He's not taking the fall out of chivalry, to protect the lady, but out of goodness, to protect everyone. Anyone who thinks it's a proper portrayl for Supes to selfishly place the burden of dying to kill DD, a monster he's tangentally responsible for, on another person, flat out doesn't get Superman. That's not his style.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm hoping that the next film will see Bruce & Diana finding the other members of the league and TRYING to get them to join with them, but failing.

I'm hoping it's not until Superman's return that they come together. That they become a team because of him.

 

[Plaidchuck]

I'm hoping that the next film will see Bruce & Diana finding the other members of the league and TRYING to get them to join with them, but failing.

I'm hoping it's not until Superman's return that they come together. That they become a team because of him.

Guess again. Snyder said they needed "superman out of the way" so batman could form the league.