Here We Go Again Part 3: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[Karelia]

yea i was just reading that bit of news on slash film. was going to post it just now but you beat me to the punch karelia. Though as cool as a mature/middle age supes would be. I just think the studio would want to go younger. You know so you can tie the actors down for a 8-10 yrs deals for sequels in the event film does well enough for it. And not worry said actor like for example hamm being too old by the time a 3rd film rolls around.

Though on the other hand if this film is pretty much wb last shot as we know right now. I guess going mature is there luck at doing a all out film for the character. in the event things go even more south with all the legal issues over the copyright and come 2013 we dont get any more wb superman films.

Haha, sorry.

But who knows if Armie Hammer really got the facts straight or not. I would imagine he did, but theirs no way of really telling. I really hope this whole dispute gets handled where Supes still belongs to DC.

The only choices I have for Superman is Tom and Joe. Their the only guys I've thought "Yeah, that's Superman right there."

But it makes sense for them to cast a 30-35 year old to play Superman as Bale and Reynolds are around that age.

 

[smooth3006]

until nolan & synder come flat out and say tom is not being considered i will continue to vote for him. so far they have not said anything, so in my mind he may at least be screen tested. this is not like it was when superman returns was being cast, smallville is ending.

 

[Karelia]

until nolan & synder come flat out and say tom is not being considered i will continue to vote for him. so far they have not said anything, so in my mind he may at least be screen tested. this is not like it was when superman returns was being cast, smallville is ending.

True, very true. I'm holding out hope until Nolan or Snyder says no to Tom and Erica. Yeah, since Smallville is ending, it just seems like the perfect time for them to hit the big screen. t:

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea karelia, who knows what is what yet. not much is really known besides nolan on as producer, jonah/david on the script, and snyder directing/his wife also producing. Besides that there has been so many conflicting reports. Hopefully if casting is indeed starting up next month like a report i was reading on one of the entertainment sites. We will get some more solid direction on things. Heck for all we know age ranges it probably going to be a wide frame. Personally i think the best range would be 25-35 yrs old. So you can have folks who are a few yrs younger playing older, or a guy a few yrs older playing younger. So then for example if they make the character 28-30 yrs old for first film. Then you can play with age of actor a bit. For me i just dont see going mature superman being the best option to go with. Sure a mature supes would be cool, if for example this is a one and done film(which could be if all the legal stuff gets even more messier in the next few yrs). But if things do get straighten out between now and 2013, i rather have younger actors and we can build on to them for a film series and not be to old looking by the possible 3/last film.

 

[smooth3006]

True, very true. I'm holding out hope until Nolan or Snyder says no to Tom and Erica. Yeah, since Smallville is ending, it just seems like the perfect time for them to hit the big screen. t:

tbh if they do not at least get a screen test i will be very disappointed.

 

[Karelia]

Yea karelia, who knows what is what yet. not much is really known besides nolan on as producer, jonah/david on the script, and snyder directing/his wife also producing. Besides that there has been so many conflicting reports. Hopefully if casting is indeed starting up next month like a report i was reading on one of the entertainment sites. We will get some more solid direction on things. Heck for all we know age ranges it probably going to be a wide frame. Personally i think the best range would be 25-35 yrs old. So you can have folks who are a few yrs younger playing older, or a guy a few yrs older playing younger. So then for example if they make the character 28-30 yrs old for first film. Then you can play with age of actor a bit. For me i just dont see going mature superman being the best option to go with. Sure a mature supes would be cool, if for example this is a one and done film(which could be if all the legal stuff gets even more messier in the next few yrs). But if things do get straighten out between now and 2013, i rather have younger actors and we can build on to them for a film series and not be to old looking by the possible 3/last film.

I agree. 25-35 would be the best age to be looking at, but I guess Nolan or Snyder knows what they want for this film. t: I really haven't been down with the whole "mature Superman" either. We were hearing it's going to be about Superman in his early days, but now they say they're casting 35-40 yr olds? Doesn't make sense. Nolan might really plan this movie and end it all in one, no trilogy, just a stand a lone film. I don't think WB would be thrilled with that, but are they going to argue with Nolan?

I really hope Tom and Erica get at least a screen test too.

 

[smooth3006]

I agree. 25-35 would be the best age to be looking at, but I guess Nolan or Snyder knows what they want for this film. t: I really haven't been down with the whole "mature Superman" either. We were hearing it's going to be about Superman in his early days, but now they say they're casting 35-40 yr olds? Doesn't make sense. Nolan might really plan this movie and end it all in one, no trilogy, just a stand a lone film. I don't think WB would be thrilled with that, but are they going to argue with Nolan?

I really hope Tom and Erica get at least a screen test too.

i think the screen test is a given. maybe they will have two cast as sups? one in the early years and one as an older superman? anything is a possibility at this point. i hope we hear casting news by x-mas.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally to much conflicting reports and nothing solid from any one the parties invovled. i just hope we get some solid news soon from someone on the project. More so since we know filming has to happen next yr before end of the yr. And really they are hoping for winter 2012 release. So with that time frame they would have to start filming no later then july 2011 to have a good solid 4-5 months of shooting, a couple of months prior for pre production, casting/costume/training/ and location-set building(all that probably needs a good 3-5 months to do) and then leave about 9-10 months for post work before film's release. So with that time frame in my mind things have to start coming out between now and feb i would say. And i personally hope they land their superman/clark quick. And have clark cast before the end of the yr. So it gives said guy plently of time to bulk up/costume fittings/ and other prep-training stuff. So then come time for filming in june/july time frame he is all ready to go. Then through spring- right up to start of film hire all the other key cast members and all that.

 

[smooth3006]

totally to much conflicting reports and nothing solid from any one the parties invovled. i just hope we get some solid news soon from someone on the project. More so since we know filming has to happen next yr before end of the yr. And really they are hoping for winter 2012 release. So with that time frame they would have to start filming no later then july 2011 to have a good solid 4-5 months of shooting, a couple of months prior for pre production, casting/costume/training/ and location-set building(all that probably needs a good 3-5 months to do) and then leave about 9-10 months for post work before film's release. So with that time frame in my mind things have to start coming out between now and feb i would say. And i personally hope they land their superman/clark quick. And have clark cast before the end of the yr. So it gives said guy plently of time to bulk up/costume fittings/ and other prep-training stuff. So then come time for filming in june/july time frame he is all ready to go. Then through spring- right up to start of film hire all the other key cast members and all that.

for all we know clark has been cast and they are just keeping tight lids on it for now. i say by the first of the new year we will know.

 

[Webhead2006]

possible but most reports say casting hasnt even officially started. If anything they probably have a few names they like. And if said folks decline/dont do a test for them. They then go for a wide casting call. i am sure it will be a big casting call. There is no reason they wouldnt do a big casting call for clark.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I just walked out of a marketing meeting, and upon coming on here had myself a mini-revelation.

There is a very strong case to be made that Smallville and its fans had a rather HUGE impact on SRs performance and it will likely have an impact on the next film as well.

Everyone always likes to point out (as a negative) that the Smallville fanbase is only a few million. That the General Audience (GA) is so much bigger, and that the SV audience really can't have an impact on the movie's overall performance. I HIGHLY disagree, and there's years and years of evidence and market research to back up the claim.

Negative word of mouth doesn't have to happen AFTER you've done something you know? With most movies the negative WOM comes after the studio has made its cash (in most instances). But with SV around you have to consider that negative WOM could start well before the movie comes out.

I will not deny that with SR, they literally did everything humanly possible to piss me off as an SV fan. A mediocre choice who looked brutal in the costume when those first pics came out. They did nothing to appease me or the millions of hardcore SV fans. Conversely I had ZERO issue telling anyone that was willing to listen that I wasn't going to see the movie, and railed against the thing every chance I got. I'm sure many of the hardcore SV fans did the same.

It's safe to peg the hardcore fan base (worldwide) as at least 10 million. Do any search on the net for word of mouth advertising and the general rule of thumb is 1 person can promote to 10 others. You do that math for a second and tell me SV's audience has no effect on the B.O. performance of the Superman movie.

I can guarantee you if they make the same mistake again. (Not cast Welling. Give me a worse option. Put him in a crappy suit), I'll do what I did last time (again)! I'll rail against the movie; to anyone that will listen, and I'm equally sure that will impact the movies performance.

Again, you can tell yourself whatever you want. But nothing - NOTHING - beats WOM. Period. Not your opinions, not money spent marketing - you cannot beat it.

So tell me again, how not casting Welling and potentially pissing off 3 million American's - who will ***** to 10 of their friends won't have an impact on a movies bottom line?

This isn't a situation where you don't know how they'll react. You know they'll be less likely to watch the new Superman movie, and they'll likely affect other peoples drive to want to see it as well.

What's worse? Confusing the GA who's never seen Smallville, but can be promoted to (both with advertising and WOM), or pissing off a group that isn't likely to be won over with any amount of advertising and will in-turn pass that negative buzz around to anyone willing to listen?

In conclusion: If WB has any sense in their brains they'll take a serious look towards Welling.

Brilliant post Zing. And I would just add one point to take in consideration, even though they love to say otherwise the Welling Haters/Routh supporters/or unknown supporters would be there to see a Superman movie with Welling anyway as much they would whine about it online, while it's safe to say us fans of Welling won't go and see a Superman movie without Welling or at least support it long term (one of the reasons SR failed miserably, even the ones who added to it's box-office by coming out to see it out of curiosity most of them never gave the movie a 2nd look nor buyed it.
A similar thing happaned years ago with Batman Forever (though that one was oficially considered a hit). It made more money than Batman Returns at the box-office but it failed miserably in the home video department whereas Batman Returns in the long term sold more copies.
Nowadays, the more aclaimed Batman Returns has made alot more long term profit than Forever did.
With Welling, Warner has a definite legion of fans that will go see the movie more than once and will rent the movie, buy it on dvd/blu ray which is where the big bucks are nowadays.

 

[Last Kryptonian]

All Tom Welling fans please vote here!!!

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/who-should-play-superman/question-1288813/

Routh is gaining some support, and Tom could use the support so that Zack, and company see who this generations Superman is.

 

[triplet]

Brilliant post Zing. And I would just add one point to take in consideration, even though they love to say otherwise the Welling Haters/Routh supporters/or unknown supporters would be there to see a Superman movie with Welling anyway as much they would whine about it online, while it's safe to say us fans of Welling won't go and see a Superman movie without Welling or at least support it long term (one of the reasons SR failed miserably, even the ones who added to it's box-office by coming out to see it out of curiosity most of them never gave the movie a 2nd look nor buyed it.

A similar thing happaned years ago with Batman Forever (though that one was oficially considered a hit). It made more money than Batman Returns at the box-office but it failed miserably in the home video department whereas Batman Returns in the long term sold more copies.

Nowadays, the more aclaimed Batman Returns has made alot more long term profit than Forever did.

With Welling, Warner has a definite legion of fans that will go see the movie more than once and will rent the movie, buy it on dvd/blu ray which is where the big bucks are nowadays.

Yeah, you bring up what is probably the essence of the issue: money.

Will Warner Brothers think that a movie with Tom Welling will make more money than with someone else in the role?

If that answer to that is 'yes' than it doesn't matter what a pro-Routh/pro-SR faction thinks, they will do all they can do to get Tom into tights.

Whether or not you're a Superman fan or a Tom Welling fan or just a film fan, show business is just that: a business. They will do whatever they think will make them the most money.

The legal tussles with the Schuster/Siegel heirs may mean they only got one more chance to make some money with this franchise before they could potentially lose the rights.

If they don't make money with this film, the rights will revert and be up for grabs if the heirs think WB is doing a crap job.

However, if they make money and turn out a film the heirs are proud of, it's not only good for the pocket book, WB's will be more likely to be in a better place in negotiations (if it comes to that) to keep the rights when they do go out for bids.

 

[Karelia]

Last Kryptonian-Probably the same 12 Routh fans voting over and over.

Post the link on Kryptonsite.

 

[epc11223]

Brilliant post Zing. And I would just add one point to take in consideration, even though they love to say otherwise the Welling Haters/Routh supporters/or unknown supporters would be there to see a Superman movie with Welling anyway as much they would whine about it online, while it's safe to say us fans of Welling won't go and see a Superman movie without Welling or at least support it long term (one of the reasons SR failed miserably, even the ones who added to it's box-office by coming out to see it out of curiosity most of them never gave the movie a 2nd look nor buyed it.
A similar thing happaned years ago with Batman Forever (though that one was oficially considered a hit). It made more money than Batman Returns at the box-office but it failed miserably in the home video department whereas Batman Returns in the long term sold more copies.
Nowadays, the more aclaimed Batman Returns has made alot more long term profit than Forever did.
With Welling, Warner has a definite legion of fans that will go see the movie more than once and will rent the movie, buy it on dvd/blu ray which is where the big bucks are nowadays.

not to start anything, but how do we know that batman returns made more in dvd sales? i'm trying to find where you got that but cant. i only see that forever made more than returns in the box office. i know i'm in the minority here, but i kind of liked forever more than returns lol. especially back in the day, i was a huge huge jim carrey fan. i think carrey would have played an awesome joker. i would think while, welling does have a fan base, a lot of the people who watch smallville are superman fans, who will go see the movie regardless. if welling is in it, are people going to watch it four times instead of two or three? i'm first and foremost a superman fan, so i'll just be happy with a new superman movie, regardless of the actor. obviously if its chevy chase, i wouldnt see it, but you know what i mean. i'm curious, are you a superman fan or do you watch smallville just for welling?

 

[Last Kryptonian]

You know sometimes I look at this as people not wanting to shake things up. Casting Welling and Durance would stir the pot. Routh supporters would scream bloody murder and the enablers will say they shouldn't have chosen Welling if they don't choose Routh. Or they should have chose someone unknown or fresh. Welling and Durance are established. So what if people think its Smallville the Movie. Who cares, audiences can figure things out. Film a good movie and people will think nothing else about it. Welling is the Kal-El for this generation.

Big problem is that the majority of the fans want Welling, and the majority of the movie going public HATED Singerman Returns, and the majority of the public thought Brandon was boring, and not very good in it.

His "groundswell of support" is a total of maybe 500 people world wide, and mostly are people he knows, and stuff lol... The facts are the facts look at the EW poll.

Welling slaughtered BJ 53% to 13% lol I mean seriously that's the end of that debate... Clearly Tom Welling is the modern day Superman for this Generation, and to cast anyone would be a spit in the face of the fans.

I didn't like Singerman Returns at all, and refuse to watch another movie with Brandon ever again.

I've also seen "Scott Pilgrim" and that sucked so bad words alone can't explain it... The guy is a boxoffice cancer, and a horrible actor.

 

[Zorex]

Though on the other hand if this film is pretty much wb last shot as we know right now. I guess going mature is there luck at doing a all out film for the character. in the event things go even more south with all the legal issues over the copyright and come 2013 we dont get any more wb superman films.

That's what I was thinking, too, and I'm kind of afraid of that. What if the plan, at least right now, is to do a stand-alone, one-shot movie with a more mature, established Superman, in preparation for being unable to establish a new trilogy/series/film franchise? The thought just makes me sad.

 

[Last Kryptonian]

Last Kryptonian-Probably the same 12 Routh fans voting over and over.

Post the link on Kryptonsite.

Yea I think it is because if you look at the map it's dominated by Welling, and if you look at the people who actually posted a comment are all pro welling, and the voters id are all in the pro welling camp.

Routh has 3 people... Same 3 people voting over, and over some how but I don't think that site can be rigged isn't it by IP? If so doesn't that stop it?

I'm new there so I'm not sure...

 

[ZIPBAGS]

i think the screen test is a given.

Do they really need a screen test? They have 200+ 41 minute episodes to go view how they would work as Lois & Clark. Heck, they probably get all they need from Homecoming.

 

[Zorex]

Do they really need a screen test? They have 200+ 41 minute episodes to go view how they would work as Lois & Clark. Heck, they probably get all they need from Homecoming.

A technicality...

They don't have 200 episodes of Lois and Clark, since Lois wasn't on the show until the 4th season.

 

[Last Kryptonian]

A technicality...

They don't have 200 episodes of Lois and Clark, since Lois wasn't on the show until the 4th season.

lol big difference... LAMO! t:

 

[Webhead2006]

totally it would suck if its only one film and done deal for supes right now. But thats the problem with all the dam legal problems with the copyright. I for one am sick with all the drama that is attached to it. In my mind sure i know legally the heirs have their rights to things through the normal process of the laws on the matter. But then as a fan i kinda wished their was no heirs so problems like this wouldnt be an issue. And the only thing to worry about is when things go into free domain in like another 40 or so yrs and all that.

I do hope between now and 2013 and if the reboot is a big hit. Wb and the heirs and work through their problems and all. Then finally make a deal where wb/dc comics gets to keep all the rights/etc... stuff and the heirs get what they want which is from what it looks like MONEY.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Alright....144.

 

[Karelia]

Yea I think it is because if you look at the map it's dominated by Welling, and if you look at the people who actually posted a comment are all pro welling, and the voters id are all in the pro welling camp.

Routh has 3 people... Same 3 people voting over, and over some how but I don't think that site can be rigged isn't it by IP? If so doesn't that stop it?

I'm new there so I'm not sure...

I actually voted earlier today, and came back again and it let me just vote now. So they don't even have to change their IP I assume.

 

[Last Kryptonian]

I actually voted earlier today, and came back again and it let me just vote now. So they don't even have to change their IP I assume.

Damn there has to be a better place then to post the poll where you wont have that issue! LOL the same 12 geeks who like Singerman Returns are trying to ruin the poll.