Here We Go Again Part 3: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[Webhead2006]

Well star trek is one thing and sv is different. The movie execs probably want things to be different and not get confined to just what happened in the tv show smallville has done. When you look at things u can kinda see why they are probably want to/do things differently.

 

[triplet]

An Italian?

Not that I don't like them, but a brown eyed guy?

Joe looks pretty good for the part otherwise he's fit and is tall, 6'5" according to IMDB, but he looks too tan and is actually older than Tom (by about six months).

 

[Webhead2006]

i dont see anything wrong with joe looks he has solid looks. and sure i would love if they found someone with natural blue eyes. But eye/hair color these days are not that problematic since they can be changed with dyes/contacts(if they need contacts for actor this time hope they do better then rouths contacts).

Also trip on the comment of him being to tan, he could always be less tan or go darker tans. Tan skin can change its another little thing i dont think is to big of a problem. It would more be if the person is more darker skin or asian since superman is more a cuasian look(now i know someone will probably bring up cain who was like 1/4 japanese or what not).

Another name wouldnt mind playing the role/work with snyder again:
http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEEn327oG2CyHE

EXCLUSIVE: Could Patrick Wilson Be Superman?
November 7th, 2010
Patrick Wilson in the running for Superman?Recently, we brought you the rumor that True Blood actor Joe Manganiello is up for the role of Clark Kent in Zack Snyder's Superman. Supposedly, Smallville's Tom Welling and Superman Returns' Brandon Routh are still being considered as well, although their casting would contradict most of Snyder's previous statements about his film being a complete reboot of the franchise. One actor who has played a super hero for Snyder before is Patrick Wilson, who portrayed Nite Owl in the director's comic book adapted masterpiece Watchmen. He recently appeared as The A-Team's nemesis, Agent Lynch, in the film adaptation of the popular '80s TV series and soon the actor will be seen in the new romantic comedy, Morning Glory, which opens on November 10th and co-stars Rachel McAdams, Harrison Ford and Diane Keaton.
While he was promoting his new movie, actor Patrick Wilson took some time out to speak with us. We began by asking him his thoughts on the choice of Zack Snyder to direct Superman and if he thinks the director is a good fit for the franchise?

"Well, I think anything is a good fit with him. The thing about Zack is that the guy is the most detailed, focused director that I've worked with. He knows exactly the picture that he wants to paint. Whether it's your taste ... I mean you can find a hundred people that absolutely love Watchmen and then there are people who will say that it is too close to the comic. But whatever, its Zack! He just attacks each film and with every single frame he knows exactly the picture that he wants to paint. So I think its awesome and I think its awesome for the franchise. I loved Superman growing up. I was brought up really on the movies. I was not a comic guy so those movies just defined, especially Superman and Superman II, the super-hero genre for me. Christopher Reeve, you know? So its great to mix it up and I think it is a great move. I think it will just be an awesome spectacle and you know he'll find some great story to tell."

The actor went on to share with us his initial reaction to hearing that Snyder had been given the job.

"When I heard he signed on I called one of my agents and said that I hadn't talked to Zack or anything but that I just wanted to read it. I don't even care if I'm right for anything, I just want to know what he's doing."

Finally, we asked Wilson if there was any character in the Superman universe that he would like to play in the movie ... Clark Kent perhaps?

"Oh man, who knows? I love seeing all the Jon Hamm comments and Jon is like, "What? I'm over forty, this is ridiculous". So I don't know? That is such a big thing, who knows? I remember when Watchmen came around I didn't think I was really age appropriate or right for that but then when I jumped into it I was able to make it work. So who, knows? I would be happy to do anything with Zack again."

Superman comes to theaters in 2012. The film is directed by Zack Snyder.
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[triplet]

He looks pretty good and Zack has worked with him before and he can act, Carnegie Mellon has one of the best undergrad theatre programs in the country so he's no slouch when it comes to acting, but he's 4 years older than Tom and relatively short. Only 6'1"....

Not sure about him.

 

[RakuMon]

Well star trek is one thing and sv is different. The movie execs probably want things to be different and not get confined to just what happened in the tv show smallville has done. When you look at things u can kinda see why they are probably want to/do things differently.

Actually, Star Trek is an excellent model to follow. That's proof that a relatively small but rabid television fanbase can translate into a multi-billion dollar movie franchise.

The other day, I was writing up a rather long, detailed post with the box office figures of other TV to movie franchises (Sex and the City, X-Files, etc.) to disprove the notion that a "Smallville" movie is so beyond the pale.

One of the reasons most haters give is that WB considers Superman a feature franchise and don't want to be associated with television. Which I find ironic because last time I checked, the Superman movie franchise hasn't been considered a successful one in over 30 years!

However, Supes' television history is longer and more impressive. In addition to Smallville, you have Lois & Clark, STAS, Justice League, Superboy, the old George Reeves' series. Not for nothing, Superman has proven to be a better television property than a movie one, so it only makes sense, to me, that the studio would at least give consideration to what is currently its most successful iteration of the property.

I think it's safe to say, especially this season, that the consensus among fans and critics is that Tom and Erica are the definitive incarnations of Clark and Lois for this generation of fans.

 

[Serene]

He looks pretty good and Zack has worked with him before and he can act, Carnegie Mellon has one of the best undergrad theatre programs in the country so he's no slouch when it comes to acting, but he's 4 years older than Tom and relatively short. Only 6'1"....

Not sure about him.

He does seem qualified in terms of acting experience, and having worked with Snyder before could be a plus, but I don't really care for his look. The receding hairline can be fixed with a wig, but I still don't get any "super" charisma from him.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea personally wouldnt mind wilson or manganiello for the role. Buth are decent looks and decent enough actors. As for xfiles/sex in the city/star trek there is differences to those series then sv is considered. Plus it does look wb wants their tv/animation stuff separate from their feature department.

 

[Mike22]

Actually, Star Trek is an excellent model to follow. That's proof that a relatively small but rabid television fanbase can translate into a multi-billion dollar movie franchise.

The other day, I was writing up a rather long, detailed post with the box office figures of other TV to movie franchises (Sex and the City, X-Files, etc.) to disprove the notion that a "Smallville" movie is so beyond the pale.

One of the reasons most haters give is that WB considers Superman a feature franchise and don't want to be associated with television. Which I find ironic because last time I checked, the Superman movie franchise hasn't been considered a successful one in over 30 years!

However, Supes' television history is longer and more impressive. In addition to Smallville, you have Lois & Clark, STAS, Justice League, Superboy, the old George Reeves' series. Not for nothing, Superman has proven to be a better television property than a movie one, so it only makes sense, to me, that the studio would at least give consideration to what is currently its most successful iteration of the property.

I think it's safe to say, especially this season, that the consensus among fans and critics is that Tom and Erica are the definitive incarnations of Clark and Lois for this generation of fans.

Excellent post.
I'm not saying it's what's gonna happen, but bear with me here.
Let's just assume for a second that for whatever reason, they have trouble getting this new movie off the ground. If they just say " Screw it, let's just make a Smallville movie" Just what is it that Smallville has done exactly that's so irreversible ??? Sure they have gone their own way and disregarded the comics continuity/mythology in a variety of areas, but considering that they do have characters such as Martian Manhunter and Dr Fate and hell even Jor-El and Braniac 5 that could reverse just about anything that would impact the show negatively on the big screen, is that really an issue? They could very easily line the show up to tell a story more appropriate for movie Superman and that would have nothing to do with Smallville other than the actors being the same.
The truth is that if the WB wanted to do a Superman movie with the Smallville cast, it could get done in a heartbeat. They'd just use this last season to course correct a few things from the past and set up a universe more in line with the comics and whaam, you got yourselves a cast ready to go, so no need to spend time and resources trying to find a new Superman. And that alone would be a HUGE burden of the WB backs.
It can be done, but that isn't a priority with the WB, they seem to want to start fresh. Nothing against Smallville, they just have another direction that they favor, but new isn't always better, the failure of SR is there to constantly remind them of that.
For me, the success of the new movie lies in the casting of Superman and the story, they fail the casting, that movie is ruined before filming even starts, the casting of Routh in SR is a perfect example of this, to this day I couldn't watch that movie to save my life, just horrible.

 

[Webhead2006]

oh totally man there is plus's and negatives using smallville as basis of a film series. Same goes for going fresh. But its pretty clear snyder/nolans are doing there own thing. the script is based on idea goyer created and is writing with nolan's brother jonah. Then i am sure now zack is putting his own input onto their script for any minor edits. But thats the thing we dont know what is going on, and on top of all the legal problems wb has with the superman rights. From that point you can see why they do want/do things on a separate plans. Tv left to tv, cartoons left to cartoons/dtv films, and then their live action film slates. I do hope in the end snyder and the nolans/goyer will delieve a top notch film and dont disapoint like singer and his crew did.

 

[Mike22]

oh totally man there is plus's and negatives using smallville as basis of a film series. Same goes for going fresh. But its pretty clear snyder/nolans are doing there own thing. the script is based on idea goyer created and is writing with nolan's brother jonah. Then i am sure now zack is putting his own input onto their script for any minor edits. But thats the thing we dont know what is going on, and on top of all the legal problems wb has with the superman rights. From that point you can see why they do want/do things on a separate plans. Tv left to tv, cartoons left to cartoons/dtv films, and then their live action film slates. I do hope in the end snyder and the nolans/goyer will delieve a top notch film and dont disapoint like singer and his crew did.

Webhead, I have no doubt they'll deliver a great movie this time around, but my main issue is with the casting. If names like Joe mangeliwhatever, Jon Hamm and Armie Hammer are names indicative of what we'll get in the movie, than I'm gonna hate it, pure and simply hate it, although they are names much more preferable than a certain "actor" from the previous movie.

 

[Webhead2006]

No problem man totally agree casting clark/superman is a big thing and I hope they find a good actor. Personally I have no hate on joe or armie I would be fine with them. But we will have to see how casting really goes once they are offically testing calling out. Like I said on onther page I see superman casting go like green lantern and I think wb will want some like ryan reynolnds in the role. Someone with good fan base, not to big of a star and will get folks butts into the seats. May I ask why u don't really like joe or armie? Just wanted to see why?

 

[Mike22]

No problem man totally agree casting clark/superman is a big thing and I hope they find a good actor. Personally I have no hate on joe or armie I would be fine with them. But we will have to see how casting really goes once they are offically testing calling out. Like I said on onther page I see n reynolnds in the role. Someone with good fan base, not to big of a star and will get folks butts into the seats. May I ask why u don't really like joe or armie? Just wanted to see why?

Because they don't look like Superman. Armie looks to be a good actor but facially he's all kinds of wrong for it.
Some are more willing to sacrifice the look of Superman, but I am not, in any freaking way. He should have a strong square face like he's always had, like Reeve, Welling and Cavill. Anything other than that, and it'll feel like an impostor trying to be him instead of the actual thing.
This is a movie about an comic book hero, the proper looks are essential, especially since I've been drawing this character pretty much my whole life and envisioned him a certain way,, which was always very comic book like and powerfully built, as any superhero should be.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No on Manganello. Actually thought he's been OK in most everything I've seen him in (Spider-man, OTH, True Blood, etc.) but not right for Superman.

While he's big enough and probably the right age, he's much too ethnic Italian looking in complexion and with that Italian schnozz on his face.

Superman needs to have that preternatural and sort of ethereal look to him.

 

[Webhead2006]

Thanks mike just wanted to see your views. I do agree some what we do need that square face look. But its going to be hard to always get everything just right. Just look at all supes actors in live action we have had a variety of looks. As for joe I don't really see him being italian in being to ethic looking. In most photos and things I seen him in. He just looked plain casusian to me. I would have to been told he. Was italian or anything to know. So I don't think his race is bad. I wouldn't mind an italian, german,british, or austrilian playing the role. I would have more of an issue on hispanic/asian/black actor playing.

 

[enterthemadness]

Tom Welling or Brandon Routh...case closed.

 

[triplet]

He does seem qualified in terms of acting experience, and having worked with Snyder before could be a plus, but I don't really care for his look. The receding hairline can be fixed with a wig, but I still don't get any "super" charisma from him.

True enough.

I'm not sure I get that Superman vibe from him either.

 

[SpideyVille]

Tom Welling or Brandon Routh...case closed.

fixed

 

[ZIPBAGS]

And for those who said having Tom do Superman would be confusing....Your right. It would be too confusing. I mean what's next having Chris Evans go from playing the Human Torch to playing Captain America. Or having Ryan Reynolds play Deadpool then play Green Lantern. Thats just craziness.

People are smart enough to realize the difference.

 

[Zack Snyder]

Tom won't get the part. Routh barely has a better chance. Can't wait till the next month or two when we get a new Superman cast. The Wellingites and Routhettes should squash it and realize there are better actors than both.

 

[SpideyVille]

I think at the end of the day it depends on what Snyder, the Nolans, Warner Bros, and whoever else has a say in the casting process, is looking for most. Each "candidate" has there own thing to offer, but in reality, there is not really one person who is perfect for the role.

Welling definitely has the right look and build, not to mention he's played a version of the character who has practically evolved into everything that Superman is for a decade, but he also lacks the experience of being a part of a major motion feature, since The Fog and Cheaper by the Dozen were no where near what a Superman film would be.

Routh has the experience of playing the character in it's last feature film, but with the word that this film will be a reboot, it's unlikely that they'll start over with him again.

Joe and Armie have more eyes on them now because of their recent works, but can they play such an iconic character without being looked at the guy from True Blood, or the guy from Social Network?

Only time will tell, but one thing is for sure and that is that it's going to be a really touch decision on making the right choice just for Superman alone. Hopefully, they make the right choice and bring forward a film that does the character justice.

 

[Zack Snyder]

I think at the end of the day it depends on what Snyder, the Nolans, Warner Bros, and whoever else has a say in the casting process, is looking for most. Each "candidate" has there own thing to offer, but in reality, there is not really one person who is perfect for the role.

Welling definitely has the right look and build, not to mention he's played a version of the character who has practically evolved into everything that Superman is for a decade, but he also lacks the experience of being a part of a major motion feature, since The Fog and Cheaper by the Dozen were no where near what a Superman film would be.

Many people have complained that his voice doesn't fit either Clark or Superman as well. Agreed that his look works, but that probably is a pretty big mark against him.

Routh has the experience of playing the character in it's last feature film, but with the word that this film will be a reboot, it's unlikely that they'll start over with him again.

Agreed.

Joe and Armie have more eyes on them now because of their recent works, but can they play such an iconic character without being looked at the guy from True Blood, or the guy from Social Network?

I think they both come off as relatively unknown to the public that will be interested in this film.

Only time will tell, but one thing is for sure and that is that it's going to be a really touch decision on making the right choice just for Superman alone. Hopefully, they make the right choice and bring forward a film that does the character justice.

It will be in the writing, costume, hair, and voice of the actor a long with a workable look. Certainly a combination of factors.

 

[triplet]

Tom's voice is fine.

He talks normally in a deeper tone as himself than he does as Clark. In early seasons he talked up likely to seem younger, but in more recent seasons his voice has dropped in pitch.

I don't think there are any problems with his voice, he can sound pretty firm and resolved when it's called for in the show. That's a pretty picky nitpick.

If that's the best some people can come up with for not wanting Tom, then I don't think he has anything to worry about.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well sure evans thing is a bit out there. But in evans case he isn't ever going to play torch again. Plus he looks a bit different from torch to cap. As for cap casting I was glad he was picked. As for ryan we have to see if deadpool even gets off the writing stage and if it does if he decides to still do it. For all we know if gl blows up like wb hopes. He could be busy with gl for next for yrs, on top of his side projects like drama and comedy films.

Totally would have hated if the block of wood tatum landed the role. Speaking of which I def don't want to see his name in casting rounds for supes. But I wont be shocked if his name does show up. But still think the better move is a new fresh cast. So they can clean slate everything. And market and promote like crazty this is a new film totally different not a sequel or semi sequel and all that.

As for tom his looks and acting have been great through the yrs. As for his voice like trip has said he does naturally have a deeper voice then his present /early clark. He changed it to sound younger and all that.I would love if he was to do the film. But know its not much a chance in that. Just like to routh fans routh isn't going to be picked for the role now. This is going to be a new beginging and change.

 

[Zack Snyder]

I'm getting the sinking feeling that Hamm will end up cast. I think it may have started out as a total fabricated rumor, but then it kept steamrolling and ultimately put him on their radar. The opposition hasn't been all that vocal, so it seems like something Nolan and the WB would both agree on doing. His acting ability and popularity is probably going to push him through.

I think there are better options but I'm just getting that feeling. Maybe it will be for the best, but if someone better is out there I hope they don't pass him up.

 

[Webhead2006]

Possible but we don't even know what the story for film really is or age range they will go with. I wouldn't mind hamm if they were to do an older more mature supes. But look at casting for gl for example I serious doubt superman will land a 40s plus actor. They will ultimately want mid 20s-mid 30s. Hopefully we will get more details once offical casting lists come out.