"Here We Go Again" Part 4: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[Prison Mike]

Great article RakuMon! Looking forward to the next one.

 

[Zack Snyder]

Tom worked fine for an elseworlds tale of Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. However SV fans should be happy that he worked well enough for the type of show that was done on a smaller network.

In all honesty we can admit while his look is decent, his acting probably wasn't strong enough for a big screen adaption of Superman. Also there are a fair amount who don't like his voice and expression for the role. I think Cavill will be stronger in these areas.

If you watch him in different roles, he just has a more workable style for a movie production. He has a good bit of experience in ACTING which puts him over Welling and Routh. His expressions evoke the sense that he is a thinking man, which no offense to the other recent actors we haven't seen. This doesn't mean Welling or Routh are dumb, but they don't project that mentality on the screen the way Cavill does.

He went through many lead auditions and won the role of Superman previous times. It is a fair turn.

 

[epc11223]

Honestly...I feel like I'm in an episode of Mythbusters. How much damn info do you need to stop believing in the boogie-man? You just go on and on like every piece of evidence produced has some kind of deeper meaning. I would HATE to know you in real life - because based on how you act on here, nothing that's ever said to you can be taken at face value.

Sometimes the Sky really is just blue you know.

only because this subject is so ambiguous. no one really knows what tom welling is thinking about, but him. but it's the history that shows us that he really doesn't want to put on the tights. even the producers have said that they would have to convince him. what i find sad, is that so many people are in denial or even care if tom welling wants the part. hey, here's a little secret, santa isn't real, and tom welling really doesn't want to portray superman. i'm hoping he does bc than that would mean that he could do metropolis tv specials/dvd's. but i doubt it will happen.

 

[vantheman77]

With Lois Lane possibly not being in the new reboot movie, I wonder if this is an answer to the Spider-Man reboot not having Mary Jane. If it's to be a prequel, then I can see Lara Lor-Van, Lana Lang, and Lori Lemaris as the female leads. This would be like Smallville, but condensed in 2-2 half hours.

 

[epc11223]

Tom worked fine for an elseworlds tale of Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. However SV fans should be happy that he worked well enough for the type of show that was done on a smaller network.

In all honesty we can admit while his look is decent, his acting probably wasn't strong enough for a big screen adaption of Superman. Also there are a fair amount who don't like his voice and expression for the role. I think Cavill will be stronger in these areas.

If you watch him in different roles, he just has a more workable style for a movie production. He has a good bit of experience in ACTING which puts him over Welling and Routh. His expressions evoke the sense that he is a thinking man, which no offense to the other recent actors we haven't seen. This doesn't mean Welling or Routh are dumb, but they don't project that mentality on the screen the way Cavill does.

He went through many lead auditions and won the role of Superman previous times. It is a fair turn.

uh oh, don't criticize tom welling and his acting! lol the people on here are going to get very mad. here, tom welling can do no wrong!

 

[triplet]

uh oh, don't criticize tom welling and his acting! lol the people on here are going to get very mad. here, tom welling can do no wrong!

That is not true.

Tom is probably pretty close to perfect in a physical sense, but he does have his flaws... I've said it in my reviews if you don't believe me.

He was almost phoning it in during the one he last directed, Patriot. He's close to a brilliant actor, given the right material and director (go back and watch Splinter if you don't believe me), but the boy does have his faults. I don't think many here would say he's perfect... So, don't get all passive agressive on everyone.

Now, as for the subject at hand: you just aren't listening.

You spout opinions and supposition as if they were fact, they are not.

Just because you don't think that Tom wanted to be Superman and pull on the tights, doesn't mean that he didn't.

He was being cagey and coy all those years just like any actor: you don't want to burn a bridge before you've crossed it.

All actors and directors probably do it because they can't talk about something unless the papers are signed and it's a done deal.

I had to do that recently with a freakin' job promotion. I was so happy about getting the job, but I couldn't tell a soul because I hadn't officially been announced as getting it.

Silly in my line of work, I work at a call center, but the stakes are far higher in Tom's line of work.

Hell, Henry Cavill wasn't told he got the Superman gig until two hours before the press release was announced.

It could very well be that Tom couldn't reveal that he was in negotiations to play Superman in a feature at least two points, and there is some proof that he was (both for SR and the failed JL film), but since it didn't work out it saves him and the director and producers some embarrassment since he didn't get those jobs.

For another example, if you want it to be non-Tom Welling related: Word is that Henry Cavill was in talks to play Bruce in Batman Begins and was up for Clark in SR, but did he ever talk about it? Did he ever wax nostalgic and talk to the press about how important those characters were to him as a boy? You read any reports where he said he'd be happy to play a Superhero in movie?

No. You didn't and neither did I because it didn't happen.

The same thing happened with the guy recently tapped to replace Andy Whitfield as Spartacus... Liam MacIntyre's name was bandied about a bit, like Cavill's was for SR, but did he ever sit down and talk to a journalist about it? No. But, now he's been announced as their guy, he's given several interviews and talked about how happy he is about getting the part.

No actor is going to talk about a part they're in talks to get. It just doesn't happen.

So, don't take his being coy about talking about the part as proof of anything.

It's only shows that he didn't want to talk about, but certainly does not prove why.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

That is not true.

Tom is probably pretty close to perfect in a physical sense, but he does have his flaws... I've said it in my reviews if you don't believe me.

He was almost phoning it in during the one he last directed, Patriot. He's close to a brilliant actor, given the right material and director (go back and watch Splinter if you don't believe me), but the boy does have his faults. I don't think many here would say he's perfect... So, don't get all passive agressive on everyone.

Now, as for the subject at hand: you just aren't listening.

You spout opinions and supposition as if they were fact, they are not.

Just because you don't think that Tom wanted to be Superman and pull on the tights, doesn't mean that he didn't.

He was being cagey and coy all those years just like any actor: you don't want to burn a bridge before you've crossed it.

All actors and directors probably do it because they can't talk about something unless the papers are signed and it's a done deal.

I had to do that recently with a freakin' job promotion. I was so happy about getting the job, but I couldn't tell a soul because I hadn't officially been announced as getting it.

Silly in my line of work, I work at a call center, but the stakes are far higher in Tom's line of work.

Hell, Henry Cavill wasn't told he got the Superman gig until two hours before the press release was announced.

It could very well be that Tom couldn't reveal that he was in negotiations to play Superman in a feature at least two points, and there is some proof that he was (both for SR and the failed JL film), but since it didn't work out it saves him and the director and producers some embarrassment since he didn't get those jobs.

For another example, if you want it to be non-Tom Welling related: Word is that Henry Cavill was in talks to play Bruce in Batman Begins and was up for Clark in SR, but did he ever talk about it? Did he ever wax nostalgic and talk to the press about how important those characters were to him as a boy? You read any reports where he said he'd be happy to play a Superhero in movie?

No. You didn't and neither did I because it didn't happen.

The same thing happened with the guy recently tapped to replace Andy Whitfield as Spartacus... Liam MacIntyre's name was bandied about a bit, like Cavill's was for SR, but did he ever sit down and talk to a journalist about it? No. But, now he's been announced as their guy, he's given several interviews and talked about how happy he is about getting the part.

No actor is going to talk about a part they're in talks to get. It just doesn't happen.

So, don't take his being coy about talking about the part as proof of anything.

It's only shows that he didn't want to talk about, but certainly does not prove why.

Exactly. Another example would be Jon Hamm who was a sure thing acording to the press and he said he wanted to play the role and wanted to talk to his agents about knowing more and if he could get into the project.
Acording to this guy logic by saying this he would probably get the role.
But did it happen ?
On the other hand Cavill was pretty quiet. I think if one thing, Tom learned his lesson from the PCA's incident and wasnt gonna talk about anything that wasn't a sure thing.
As for Tom not having flaws acting wise, I never thought such a thing. In fact I didn't like him in season one and thought he wasn't a good actor. He won me over in season 2. He's not and nor he has ever been perfect but he works hard and tries to learn and that is one of the things that I love the most about him. He takes chances. Sometimes they work out beautifully, sometimes he falls flat on his ass but at least he tries which not everyone in his position would do.
And certainly I give it more credit than being a wooden Reeve clone trying to mimic Reeve's performance, which I have a feeling will happen again (with slightly more success).
And that's another thing for which I respect Tom, his take is his own. It's original and doesn't copy Reeve but does honor it and from time to time we can see a slight hommage to Chris but without not being to blatant.

As for the new movie there's 3 possibilities for the end results:
1º Huge blockbuster. Which to me is very doubtful given the casting, no Lois, etc. I can only see it happen by hyping the hell out of "From the Producer Of The Dark Knight" which no doubt they'll do.

2º Makes SR money and receives bad feedback much like it's predecessor.

3º Which is probably the most likely. Mirrors The Incredible Hulk, the movie itself has a much better feedback than the previous one but does just about the same in the box-office. Which basically puts it on limbo again.
Tom by being already established in the role could've been the big factor in earning the extra revenue needed for it do Spider-Man like numbers and earning a much bigger profit (with his big rabid following that would see the movie several times and buy it on dvd/blu ray) in the long run on the home video part of things.

 

[epc11223]

That is not true.

Tom is probably pretty close to perfect in a physical sense, but he does have his flaws... I've said it in my reviews if you don't believe me.

He was almost phoning it in during the one he last directed, Patriot. He's close to a brilliant actor, given the right material and director (go back and watch Splinter if you don't believe me), but the boy does have his faults. I don't think many here would say he's perfect... So, don't get all passive agressive on everyone.

Now, as for the subject at hand: you just aren't listening.

You spout opinions and supposition as if they were fact, they are not.

Just because you don't think that Tom wanted to be Superman and pull on the tights, doesn't mean that he didn't.

He was being cagey and coy all those years just like any actor: you don't want to burn a bridge before you've crossed it.

All actors and directors probably do it because they can't talk about something unless the papers are signed and it's a done deal.

I had to do that recently with a freakin' job promotion. I was so happy about getting the job, but I couldn't tell a soul because I hadn't officially been announced as getting it.

Silly in my line of work, I work at a call center, but the stakes are far higher in Tom's line of work.

Hell, Henry Cavill wasn't told he got the Superman gig until two hours before the press release was announced.

It could very well be that Tom couldn't reveal that he was in negotiations to play Superman in a feature at least two points, and there is some proof that he was (both for SR and the failed JL film), but since it didn't work out it saves him and the director and producers some embarrassment since he didn't get those jobs.

For another example, if you want it to be non-Tom Welling related: Word is that Henry Cavill was in talks to play Bruce in Batman Begins and was up for Clark in SR, but did he ever talk about it? Did he ever wax nostalgic and talk to the press about how important those characters were to him as a boy? You read any reports where he said he'd be happy to play a Superhero in movie?

No. You didn't and neither did I because it didn't happen.

The same thing happened with the guy recently tapped to replace Andy Whitfield as Spartacus... Liam MacIntyre's name was bandied about a bit, like Cavill's was for SR, but did he ever sit down and talk to a journalist about it? No. But, now he's been announced as their guy, he's given several interviews and talked about how happy he is about getting the part.

No actor is going to talk about a part they're in talks to get. It just doesn't happen.

So, don't take his being coy about talking about the part as proof of anything.

It's only shows that he didn't want to talk about, but certainly does not prove why.

one, i never said it was fact. but i think it's a pretty indication that ten years has gone, and no suit. i'll repeat again, he says that he's always been open to it, but that does not mean he wants the part. i've also said that this is all speculation and no one will ever really be proven right or wrong. tom welling will have to come right out and say either way, and i never said he was stupid. it wouldn't be prudent for him to flat out say "i dont want the part". which is probably why he hasn't. as far as henry cavill went. he did say in interviews that he almost got the part, i think it was with mcg but that mcg was afraid of flying, so the movie didn't happen. he has in fact said that in interviews. maybe not during, but it has come out, one way or another. i'd have to find the interview, but there are so many. i don't really get that henry cavill was announced just two hours prior to the big announcement has anything to do with it. it'd not like he's going to get a phone call that says he got it and call someone up to do an interview right away. we also don't know what the true story was about tom welling with that justice league movie. we don't know the validity to that because really the only name that was officially attatched to that one was dj cotrona. again, of course this is all speculation. even him "wanting" the part. but i'd be pretty surprised if tom welling does anything superman related after smallville is over. that is my point. in an interview they asked him about what he thinks about putting on the suit and he flat out says "terrified". i think thats pretty big. i think mike is right when he says how much he doesn't want to be typecast for other roles, not realizing that he's already associated with the part. it's also been well documented that tom welling likes his privacy and doesn't really do interviews. so a lot of good questions that could be asked, aren't; simply because he doesn't really give interviews. we'll never really know the truth about his desires to be superman. but his desire to be superman hasn't hampered his performance, only that we haven't gotten to see the suit for much longer. he's even said that if they had the suit on earlier, the show would have ended years ago! thats also a big indication that he never really had any intention of putting on the suit for an extended period of time. their's being coy for a job promotion, and then theres being quiet to not look ungrateful or hurt his fans.

 

[epc11223]

Exactly. Another example would be Jon Hamm who was a sure thing acording to the press and he said he wanted to play the role and wanted to talk to his agents about knowing more and if he could get into the project.
Acording to this guy logic by saying this he would probably get the role.
But did it happen ?
On the other hand Cavill was pretty quiet. I think if one thing, Tom learned his lesson from the PCA's incident and wasnt gonna talk about anything that wasn't a sure thing.
As for Tom not having flaws acting wise, I never thought such a thing. In fact I didn't like him in season one and thought he wasn't a good actor. He won me over in season 2. He's not and nor he has ever been perfect but he works hard and tries to learn and that is one of the things that I love the most about him. He takes chances. Sometimes they work out beautifully, sometimes he falls flat on his ass but at least he tries which not everyone in his position would do.
And certainly I give it more credit than being a wooden Reeve clone trying to mimic Reeve's performance, which I have a feeling will happen again (with slightly more success).
And that's another thing for which I respect Tom, his take is his own. It's original and doesn't copy Reeve but does honor it and from time to time we can see a slight hommage to Chris but without not being to blatant.

As for the new movie there's 3 possibilities for the end results:
1º Huge blockbuster. Which to me is very doubtful given the casting, no Lois, etc. I can only see it happen by hyping the hell out of "From the Producer Of The Dark Knight" which no doubt they'll do.

2º Makes SR money and receives bad feedback much like it's predecessor.

3º Which is probably the most likely. Mirrors The Incredible Hulk, the movie itself has a much better feedback than the previous one but does just about the same in the box-office. Which basically puts it on limbo again.
Tom by being already established in the role could've been the big factor in earning the extra revenue needed for it do Spider-Man like numbers and earning a much bigger profit (with his big rabid following that would see the movie several times and buy it on dvd/blu ray) in the long run on the home video part of things.

i dont know where you got that jon hamm was ever a sure thing. he said he would like the role but knows that he's too old and that there was never any contact with the wb. so i'm not sure what you're talking about here. as for tom welling, we dont know if he or brandon routh was ever contacted or up for the part in the reboot. it's always been said that they're going for a fresh take and didn't want anything from the past, yet people still thought there was an opportunity for him to be cast. i believe i was one of the people who said that they aren't going to want welling because they want a fresh start. you were a supporter and said how he had a good chance, but i said that it was highly unlikely. i did however say that welling had a better chance than routh because of the way smallville is ending and how this new movie is a reboot. as far as another debate about how routh was wooden. he gave a performance based on what the director wanted. same as welling. what chances does welling take? how hard does he work? those are things we don't really know, and those are the types of things that is speculation. i don't ever remember tom's clark ever being an homage to christopher reeve. in ten seasons he's had, what, one bumbling moment in shield? when he was a reporter from thirties? i dont get what you mean there. his clark has always been a new interpretation. if anything, he's been more like the dean cains version of clark kent.


i will say i agree with you on the conclusion of the new movie. but those are really the only three outcomes that could be achieved. i don't think having welling would make as much a difference as you think. he might in fact make the movie a couple more million, but for superman to be successful, he'll have to put it iron man numbers or better. superman returns made 200 million was too little, even though it made more than batman begins at the box office, and i dont think dvd sales were as high as they would have liked. i think this new movie is going to go off of nolan's name, superman's name and snyder's visuals. sr was too much of a remake, which is why they're going for a reboot. i have a feeling this new reboot is taking alot from birthright which means we may be getting more scenes on krypton which will make it feel more sci fi. i think they're gonna go for a tron/iron man type feel for the new movie.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well now according to latino review they claim to know what the mysterious female role is:
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-superman-s-undisclosed-character-revealed-12492

Exclusive: Superman's Undisclosed Character Revealed
By Kellvin Chavez on February 04, 2011 0diggsdigg


It's not a bird, it's not a plane, but it's a Superman scoop you want to read about.

Most recently the powers that be, aka the producers, of Zack Synder's take on Superman released to the trades the names of three actresses who are in contention to play a character who is "undisclosed" for the time being.

Auditioning are British actress Alice Eve, German actress Diane Kruger and British actress Rosamund Pike. The trades also stated that these three are not vying for the part of Lois Lane.

There are many are speculating that Lois Lane will not be in the film, but as a buddy of mine recently said, "Superman without Lois Lane is like having Batman without Alfred."

While bloggers and fans have been scratching their heads trying to figure out which character Synder has them coming out for, LatinoReview has been alerted by a most trusted reliable source that two things are going to occur.

1: Lois Lane WILL be in the film.
2: The character these lovely actresses have come out for is none other than a Kryptonian villainess who is going by the name of URSA.

Now expect the powers that be to deny deny and deny. As Superman fans can recall the character URSA was in both "Superman: The Movie" and "Superman II" played by British actress Sarah Douglas.

This will lead many to wonder whether or not General Zod will be in the film as URSA, along with Zod, were two thirds of the criminals banished by Jor-El to the Phantom Zone.

Now Zack Synder has gone on record stating that General Zod will not be in the film, stating, “For now, it’s just a rumor.” But directors and screenwriters often make changes before shooting begins.

With production on the film beginning this summer with a late 2012 release date expect decisions to be made shortly regarding the principal cast.

well this is a interesting development here. I am curious to see if the role is indeed ursa(based off the comic character foaroa). Also makes y ou wonder if those zod rumors a few months ago were true. Even though snyder dismissed zod around oct/nov. I dont mind zod if it is. But i would rather hold him off to a later film and use a villain we havent had in the film series yet. Like metallo, brainiac, parasite, to others.

 

[epc11223]

Well now according to latino review they claim to know what the mysterious female role is:
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-superman-s-undisclosed-character-revealed-12492

well this is a interesting development here. I am curious to see if the role is indeed ursa(based off the comic character foaroa). Also makes y ou wonder if those zod rumors a few months ago were true. Even though snyder dismissed zod around oct/nov. I dont mind zod if it is. But i would rather hold him off to a later film and use a villain we havent had in the film series yet. Like metallo, brainiac, parasite, to others.

to be honest, i'm more worried about how effective a cgi superman suit should look rather than lois being in the film. that is if they are going with a cgi suit. thats been mentioned a couple times the past couple of months. probably isn't true, but i dont know. today it was announced that snyder likes jim lee and curt swan as his favorite superman artists, and the two of their styles are extremely muscular. i always thought birthright would have been better had it been done by jim lee. and while for tomorrow was enjoyable, i thought that was more suited for leinil yu.

 

[Webhead2006]

i doubt they will go with a full on cgi suit like green lantern. it would be a total waste and first time the rumor came up nolan and snyder did dismiss it. I dont see it happening. Also looking at costume designers snyder has worked with. He has used same one on his films since 300 and looking at 300,watchmen and suckerpunch. his costume designer has made some pretty nice looking suits. Superman suit wouldnt be that hard to do and get right this time(singer's designer totally blew it there).

Also really with the film not shooting to around aug there is plently of time for a suit to be designed and for cavill to bulk up more. He didnt look bad in photos for that film he has coming out later this year the immortals. With the proper diet and training he can surely get into good shape. Heck i read when snyder did 300 he had the cast there on strict diet/training and looked how they looked there.

 

[epc11223]

i doubt they will go with a full on cgi suit like green lantern. it would be a total waste and first time the rumor came up nolan and snyder did dismiss it. I dont see it happening. Also looking at costume designers snyder has worked with. He has used same one on his films since 300 and looking at 300,watchmen and suckerpunch. his costume designer has made some pretty nice looking suits. Superman suit wouldnt be that hard to do and get right this time(singer's designer totally blew it there).

Also really with the film not shooting to around aug there is plently of time for a suit to be designed and for cavill to bulk up more. He didnt look bad in photos for that film he has coming out later this year the immortals. With the proper diet and training he can surely get into good shape. Heck i read when snyder did 300 he had the cast there on strict diet/training and looked how they looked there.

yea, i hope you're right. to me it really doesn't make sense for a cgi suit, but ya never know these days. with technology constantly improving, i thought arnold schwarzeneger looked pretty decent in terminator salvation. but thats just me. the way snyder had gerard butler transform was pretty amazing. looks so different from real life (i think). i don't think it was so much the costume design, as it was the color palette that singer used. in the superman returns documentary, the suits colors didn't look quite as muted. and the briefs didnt look so short. i think the suit looked really good when superman was getting beat up because there was a light of light on new krypton. i just think the neckline needed to be straighter and maybe a slightly bigger s. not ross big,but bigger.

 

[triplet]

one, i never said it was fact.

Really? Maybe not, but you have been screaming to the rafters that you didn't think he wanted it and have spent a lot of time disputing the fact despite some pretty good evidence to the contrary...

but i think it's a pretty indication that ten years has gone, and no suit. i'll repeat again, he says that he's always been open to it, but that does not mean he wants the part.

That doesn't mean he doesn't want it either.

i've also said that this is all speculation and no one will ever really be proven right or wrong. tom welling will have to come right out and say either way, and i never said he was stupid. it wouldn't be prudent for him to flat out say "i dont want the part". which is probably why he hasn't. as far as henry cavill went. he did say in interviews that he almost got the part, i think it was with mcg but that mcg was afraid of flying, so the movie didn't happen. he has in fact said that in interviews. maybe not during, but it has come out, one way or another.

Henry Cavill's statements about the film were made after the fact.

i'd have to find the interview, but there are so many. i don't really get that henry cavill was announced just two hours prior to the big announcement has anything to do with it.

It's because they're so cagey just in general about announcing casting news until after everything's been set. If the guy who gets the job doesn't know until two hours before him getting the part is announced, it just gives you an idea of how averse hollywood types are to talking about things until the deal is sealed.

it'd not like he's going to get a phone call that says he got it and call someone up to do an interview right away. we also don't know what the true story was about tom welling with that justice league movie. we don't know the validity to that because really the only name that was officially attatched to that one was dj cotrona.

The word was that Gough and Millar wouldn't release Tom from his contract or give him the time he needed to do the JLA movie. There was early talk they were going to be filming in Vancouver to help smooth the transition for Tom, do fittings and deal with some overlap of both projects.

Yet, late in the game they switched that and all of a sudden announced they were doing it in Australia instead. The implication being that Tom was scrubbed due to previous contractual obligations and George Miller wanted to film the film at home...

Is that true? I don't know, and you're right we may never know for sure...

again, of course this is all speculation. even him "wanting" the part.

You think he didn't want the part, I think he did and it just didn't work out, but it looks like we'll never convince the other so there's little point in more arguing.

but i'd be pretty surprised if tom welling does anything superman related after smallville is over. that is my point.

I don't think it's really an option anymore so that's a moot point.

in an interview they asked him about what he thinks about putting on the suit and he flat out says "terrified". i think thats pretty big. i think mike is right when he says how much he doesn't want to be typecast for other roles, not realizing that he's already associated with the part. it's also been well documented that tom welling likes his privacy and doesn't really do interviews. so a lot of good questions that could be asked, aren't; simply because he doesn't really give interviews. we'll never really know the truth about his desires to be superman. but his desire to be superman hasn't hampered his performance, only that we haven't gotten to see the suit for much longer. he's even said that if they had the suit on earlier, the show would have ended years ago! thats also a big indication that he never really had any intention of putting on the suit for an extended period of time.

No, that's telling the truth.

The show is about Clark becoming Superman. Once he pulls on the tights and flies, the show is over.

What do you think they've been building up to for ten seasons? We're finally getting it.

Unfortunately, it was not meant to be for Tom to wear tights in a feature, but I feel satisfied for the most part.

The show is ending on a high note and Tom will be doing something else... I for one can't wait to see what he will do next.

their's being coy for a job promotion, and then theres being quiet to not look ungrateful or hurt his fans.

You think that's why he didn't talk?

Maybe that was part of it, but not burning any bridges is probably a bigger part of it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Sotrue trip the whole jlm thing was a big mess from day one info kept changing so often so what was real and what was false was hard to know.

 

[The Caped Knight]

NoLoisLane

Impossible, You can't have SUPERMAN without LOIS LANE. She's been their from the beginning. She is and always will be Superman main leading lady.

 

[Webhead2006]

Kal as we now have heard with the kruger/eve/pike casting they are going for ursa/foaroa type of role and lois is in the film and probably will be one of the names we heard were testing for lois this past week.

 

[avidreader]

Actually, the spaceship was only different in the pilot. In fact, a lot of design elements of the pilot weren't carried over to the rest of the series. Aside from the ship design, the ship's "heart," the Smallville High logo, and the varsity jacket were all tweaked between the Pilot and Metamorphosis. Which is a common practice. A pilot is usually shot before the series is picked up, It's what they use to shop around to different networks. A little bit of time passes between when a pilot is shot and then picked up and put into production.

Why do I always get the feeling that you try and refute everything I comment on. I was just using the spaceship as an example, it being the first thing that came to my mind.

For the most part, they've been pretty consistent in their design elements otherwise. That's why the intro of the crystal fortress was so disheartening. Because it meant that the show was moving away from its reimagined Kryptonian tech design aesthetic--silvery, metallic like the aforementioned ship's heart, the octagonal key--to an aesthetic more in line with Donner/Singer--crystal phalluses everywhere--

There have been other key props that they have changed throughout the series (not just from the Pilot to Metamorphosis). And thank you I do understand why things change in that circumstance, however, that doesnt mean that they weren't beyond changing the look of those props for what they considered to be a better looking one or something that presented itself better on screen or even something to suit the story line.

For example, Raya's "S" shield that she gave to Clark, the watch that Jonathon left, the windows in the Luthor Mansion, and if I cared to I could probably pick a dozen other things as well.

I'm not saying it's a big deal, it quite frankly doesn't bother me at all. I was just merely pointing out that just because they used the SR suit as a prop in one episode, doesn't make it a done deal that it will be used again as a costume for TW in a later episode.

so, by intro-ing Routh's suit on the show, they've pretty much set up that that will be the one Clark will ultimately wear. (Whether Tom will wear it is another issue.) And I have a pretty good source who confirms as much.R

Sources often get things wrong and I hope your source in this situation has got it wrong.

 

[vantheman77]

I agree with Triplet in that the show is building up 10 years/ seasons to Clark becoming Superman, that is the main arc of the series and this final season. Him wearing the suit and flying with it is the real big event of the season. Nothing else should be at the top, including the wedding, which should be second.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Tom worked fine for an elseworlds tale of Clark Kent before he becomes Superman. However SV fans should be happy that he worked well enough for the type of show that was done on a smaller network.

In all honesty we can admit while his look is decent, his acting probably wasn't strong enough for a big screen adaption of Superman. Also there are a fair amount who don't like his voice and expression for the role. I think Cavill will be stronger in these areas.

If you watch him in different roles, he just has a more workable style for a movie production. He has a good bit of experience in ACTING which puts him over Welling and Routh. His expressions evoke the sense that he is a thinking man, which no offense to the other recent actors we haven't seen. This doesn't mean Welling or Routh are dumb, but they don't project that mentality on the screen the way Cavill does.

He went through many lead auditions and won the role of Superman previous times. It is a fair turn.

Cavill doesn't have more experience ACTING than Welling. 10 seasons as a lead in a TV show and a couple of features. Don't know where Cavill's gotten this amazing rep as a cultured thesp amoungst Superman fans but it's far from the truth. He's a passable actor at the BEST of times and downright shocking sometimes. Forgot and stuttered his lines more than anyone else on Tudors.

 

[Mike22]

by intro-ing Routh's suit on the show, they've pretty much set up that that will be the one Clark will ultimately wear. (Whether Tom will wear it is another issue.) And I have a pretty good source who confirms as much.

Doesn't come as a surprise...like at all. I've lost interest in the show almost entirely. I waited for so long and they give us the damn SR suit. So far this season hasn't been any good with few exceptions, and to really kick me while I was down, Welling may not wear it at all, if he does it'll only be for a brief moment. Basically this show will probably end like Lost did, a fun ride, but with a crappy ass ending.

 

[Webhead2006]

Seesh we don't know what is going to be weared yet by clark. The sr suit was just used as a prop. tom wont be wearing that suit routh wore for sr. Now sure I wished they never used it too. And if anything for what tom will probably wear will design wise probably be simular to sr suit. With a few changes here and there. Like cape style/material, to maybe even boots and other little things.

 

[Mike22]

Seesh we don't know what is going to be weared yet by clark. The sr suit was just used as a prop. tom wont be wearing that suit routh wore for sr. Now sure I wished they never used it too. And if anything for what tom will probably wear will design wise probably be simular to sr suit. With a few changes here and there. Like cape style/material, to maybe even boots and other little things.

And that'll be absolutely wonderful for the 30 seconds it'll be onscreen, if at all.

 

[vantheman77]

Maybe the red shield jacket could be the foundation of the new Superman suit over the SR one. Clark and/ or Lois may give it the red and blue colors. They might give us the most realistic Superman suit that would fit the SV world.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still doubt it would just be one dam little quick and over thing. Been there done that. And with finale now confirmed for two hrs. We have to have a few scenes at least.