"Here We Go Again" Part 4: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[Mike22]

Look here dude, I have reason to believe he's not gonna be wearing it at all, so IF he does wear it, it sure as hell wont be for more than 30 seconds to a minute at best.
I hope to God I'm wrong.
The finale will probably be very spectacular in terms of Clarks fight with Darkseid, but it'll be with his regular clothes and not the tights.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya we will just have to see. But to me personally I just don't see it being just for a few seconds. Same as not for the whole episode. But if its two/three scenes with it I would be happy.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I don't think it's really an option anymore so that's a moot point.

Unfortunately, it was not meant to be for Tom to wear tights in a feature, but I feel satisfied for the most part.

Oh I'd say there's still some options like direct to tv/dvd Superman movies, voicing Superman animated movies and since Nolan doesn't want to go anywhere near Justice League maybe they'll consider doing a separate Justice League live action feature with other actors like they're gonna do years ago.
And of course for it to be completly moot point this current feature would still have to knock it out of the park, something that will remain to be seen.

 

[Webhead2006]

So did any one read the silly rumor on tmz/eonline earlier today about lindsey lohan. The article states she is looking to join the cast and really wants to be in the movie. Doesn't say what role she would want(not likely lois). Though I serious doubt she would be selected for any role at this time. With all her rehab problems and legal troubles. anyway is an interesting rumor anyway.

 

[elgaz]

I read that. Lindsay Lohan would be like Kryptonite to a Superman movie - having an actress known for drugs, drink and being unreliable on the set of a Superman reboot would just not work.

Maybe back in the day when she was innocent and fresh-faced she may have made a good Lana Lang, but not now.

 

[epc11223]

Really? Maybe not, but you have been screaming to the rafters that you didn't think he wanted it and have spent a lot of time disputing the fact despite some pretty good evidence to the contrary...



That doesn't mean he doesn't want it either.



Henry Cavill's statements about the film were made after the fact.




It's because they're so cagey just in general about announcing casting news until after everything's been set. If the guy who gets the job doesn't know until two hours before him getting the part is announced, it just gives you an idea of how averse hollywood types are to talking about things until the deal is sealed.



The word was that Gough and Millar wouldn't release Tom from his contract or give him the time he needed to do the JLA movie. There was early talk they were going to be filming in Vancouver to help smooth the transition for Tom, do fittings and deal with some overlap of both projects.

Yet, late in the game they switched that and all of a sudden announced they were doing it in Australia instead. The implication being that Tom was scrubbed due to previous contractual obligations and George Miller wanted to film the film at home...

Is that true? I don't know, and you're right we may never know for sure...



You think he didn't want the part, I think he did and it just didn't work out, but it looks like we'll never convince the other so there's little point in more arguing.




I don't think it's really an option anymore so that's a moot point.



No, that's telling the truth.

The show is about Clark becoming Superman. Once he pulls on the tights and flies, the show is over.

What do you think they've been building up to for ten seasons? We're finally getting it.

Unfortunately, it was not meant to be for Tom to wear tights in a feature, but I feel satisfied for the most part.

The show is ending on a high note and Tom will be doing something else... I for one can't wait to see what he will do next.




You think that's why he didn't talk?

Maybe that was part of it, but not burning any bridges is probably a bigger part of it.

sorry it took so long to reply, been busy with work. for the record, i have not been screaming to the rafters, just the contrary. it's only that i have been saying things that go against what everyone else wants to believe. i don't know why people think that tom welling wants to be superman when he says things like "terrified" of the suit and has been wearing suits other than the official one. we've had the red/blue blur, blur, and now this revised blur suit. there has been no evidence that he wants to put on the suit. once this show moved to mostly taking place in metropolis, the show should have changed to a superman show. there were some seasons where i think people even said how they don't even use the farm anymore. the show is very different from when it started, which is a good thing, but it turned into more of a superhero show than a family oriented/teenage problems show like seasons 1-5. or rather, till season 6. once jon kent died, the show had a very different feel to it. i've read rumors that they meant for it to be a superman show back then, but tom didn't want to wear a suit, so they modified it to the black outfit. the show did not have to completely end once he puts on the suit. it would have ultimately been the same show from the past 3 years but he would have had on a more traditional suit. that's just my take on it. people here are going to disagree and they are entitled to their opinion, but so am i. there has been no evidence to me that says that he ever really wanted to put on the suit. thats not to say he couldn't do it, and do it well, but just didn't want to.

 

[triplet]

sorry it took so long to reply, been busy with work. for the record, i have not been screaming to the rafters, just the contrary. it's only that i have been saying things that go against what everyone else wants to believe. i don't know why people think that tom welling wants to be superman when he says things like "terrified" of the suit and has been wearing suits other than the official one. we've had the red/blue blur, blur, and now this revised blur suit. there has been no evidence that he wants to put on the suit. once this show moved to mostly taking place in metropolis, the show should have changed to a superman show. there were some seasons where i think people even said how they don't even use the farm anymore. the show is very different from when it started, which is a good thing, but it turned into more of a superhero show than a family oriented/teenage problems show like seasons 1-5. or rather, till season 6. once jon kent died, the show had a very different feel to it. i've read rumors that they meant for it to be a superman show back then, but tom didn't want to wear a suit, so they modified it to the black outfit. the show did not have to completely end once he puts on the suit. it would have ultimately been the same show from the past 3 years but he would have had on a more traditional suit. that's just my take on it. people here are going to disagree and they are entitled to their opinion, but so am i. there has been no evidence to me that says that he ever really wanted to put on the suit. thats not to say he couldn't do it, and do it well, but just didn't want to.

Whether or not you have been 'screaming to the rafters' is probably semantics.

You've posted in this thread 12 times in a thread with 205 (now 206) posts in it. Statistically, that's a lot of posts, more than 5%, especially given the fact that you also had 28 posts in the previous thread. You've only ever posted a little over 400 posts.

Added together, they comprise about 10% of all the posts you've made on the forum and that's only the ones in these threads. How many times have you said you didn't think Tom wanted the part in other threads? I didn't look that closely at your posts, I'm no stalker, but I would imagine the posts you made on that other forum probably run pretty much along the same lines whenever Tom's name gets brought up....

If you weren't 'screaming' you certainly have made sure everyone knows your take on the situation. Further, you've spoken your mind on the subject often and quite emphatically.

As for Tom saying he was 'terrified' of wearing the suit, I think that was from an early interview when he was in his mid-twenties. Things change and have probably changed alot from a scared kid actor who got the lead in a series to a guy who's been doing the job (and doing it well) for ten years.

I think it's really hard to look at Tom's interviews from early in his career and say that what he had said then has to be true now. I don't think that's realistic, and even if it were, how can any of us really know for sure?

We don't, but you still seem pretty certain of your perspective. Like I said, there is pretty good evidence that he was in contention for the roles in SR and the failed JLA film.

On the flipside: You have eight or ten year old interviews as your evidence.

What is more convincing?

I guess that's still arguable, at least you want to argue it, but I'd say that the preponderance of evidence (circumstantial and otherwise) seems to indicate that he was in contention for the part at least twice, as I've said.

Also, like I've said. It's now largely a moot point.

Unlike what BruceWayne thought, I do agree with you on one point: I don't think Tom will ever be directly associated with another Superman franchise.

And it's not because he hates Superman or fears being typecast. Personally, I think he said he was afraid of pulling on the tights because he respects the history, he wouldn't want to be responsible for killing off the franchise like George Clooney did Batman. Pulling on the tights IS scary as hell. The pressure would be enormous to pull it off, to do it right; and as a smart 24 or 25 year old, maybe he knew then that he might not have been up to the task. Now, ten years later, being a far more confident man than he was back in 20's, I think that would be a very different story, thus explaining why he has since said that he's open to the idea...

As for being typecast: I think in today's Hollywood climate, actors only getting cast for type doesn't really happen anymore.

Look at James Franco. He played a gay man in Milk. He went from that to playing a very straight and very physical man in 127 Hours. He was nominated for an Oscar for that. I bet he's not worried about getting typecast, especially since he's in silly comedy with Nathalie Portman (another Oscar nominee this year) next... I know he's a smart man, he's working on PHD at the moment in between working on films that get Oscar nominations.

No, I think today an actor can have a very broad and dynamic career, as long as they're smart and pick their parts carefully. (Unlike poor Gerard Butler who is no slouch in the brains department, he was a lawyer back in Scotland before he took up acting, but his roles all tend to be pretty much the same and he totally sleep walks through them. He hasn't been careful in the parts he picks and has been in some pretty dreadful films and I bet he's completely bored by it all.)

Anyway, if Tom shies away from getting involved with another Superman project, it won't be because he's scared of getting typecast or is 'terrified of wearting tights,' it will be becuase he's been there and done that... For my opinion, it will be a very smart move on his part.

Like him or not, love his acting or not, most people would probably agree that Tom is very smart. I think he will do whatever he thinks is best for him and try to get interesting roles that stretch him as an actor. He will do that because just out of a long TV series gig that is the smart choice.

If picking an 'interesting role that stretches him as an actor' means he gets involved with another Superman project, I'd be very pleasantly surprised, but I guess only time will tell.

 

[epc11223]

Whether or not you have been 'screaming to the rafters' is probably semantics.

You've posted in this thread 12 times in a thread with 205 (now 206) posts in it. Statistically, that's a lot of posts, more than 5%, especially given the fact that you also had 28 posts in the previous thread. You've only ever posted a little over 400 posts.

Added together, they comprise about 10% of all the posts you've made on the forum and that's only the ones in these threads. How many times have you said you didn't think Tom wanted the part in other threads? I didn't look that closely at your posts, I'm no stalker, but I would imagine the posts you made on that other forum probably run pretty much along the same lines whenever Tom's name gets brought up....

If you weren't 'screaming' you certainly have made sure everyone knows your take on the situation. Further, you've spoken your mind on the subject often and quite emphatically.

As for Tom saying he was 'terrified' of wearing the suit, I think that was from an early interview when he was in his mid-twenties. Things change and have probably changed alot from a scared kid actor who got the lead in a series to a guy who's been doing the job (and doing it well) for ten years.

I think it's really hard to look at Tom's interviews from early in his career and say that what he had said then has to be true now. I don't think that's realistic, and even if it were, how can any of us really know for sure?

We don't, but you still seem pretty certain of your perspective. Like I said, there is pretty good evidence that he was in contention for the roles in SR and the failed JLA film.

On the flipside: You have eight or ten year old interviews as your evidence.

What is more convincing?

I guess that's still arguable, at least you want to argue it, but I'd say that the preponderance of evidence (circumstantial and otherwise) seems to indicate that he was in contention for the part at least twice, as I've said.

Also, like I've said. It's now largely a moot point.

Unlike what BruceWayne thought, I do agree with you on one point: I don't think Tom will ever be directly associated with another Superman franchise.

And it's not because he hates Superman or fears being typecast. Personally, I think he said he was afraid of pulling on the tights because he respects the history, he wouldn't want to be responsible for killing off the franchise like George Clooney did Batman. Pulling on the tights IS scary as hell. The pressure would be enormous to pull it off, to do it right; and as a smart 24 or 25 year old, maybe he knew then that he might not have been up to the task. Now, ten years later, being a far more confident man than he was back in 20's, I think that would be a very different story, thus explaining why he has since said that he's open to the idea...

As for being typecast: I think in today's Hollywood climate, actors only getting cast for type doesn't really happen anymore.

Look at James Franco. He played a gay man in Milk. He went from that to playing a very straight and very physical man in 127 Hours. He was nominated for an Oscar for that. I bet he's not worried about getting typecast, especially since he's in silly comedy with Nathalie Portman (another Oscar nominee this year) next... I know he's a smart man, he's working on PHD at the moment in between working on films that get Oscar nominations.

No, I think today an actor can have a very broad and dynamic career, as long as they're smart and pick their parts carefully. (Unlike poor Gerard Butler who is no slouch in the brains department, he was a lawyer back in Scotland before he took up acting, but his roles all tend to be pretty much the same and he totally sleep walks through them. He hasn't been careful in the parts he picks and has been in some pretty dreadful films and I bet he's completely bored by it all.)

Anyway, if Tom shies away from getting involved with another Superman project, it won't be because he's scared of getting typecast or is 'terrified of wearting tights,' it will be becuase he's been there and done that... For my opinion, it will be a very smart move on his part.

Like him or not, love his acting or not, most people would probably agree that Tom is very smart. I think he will do whatever he thinks is best for him and try to get interesting roles that stretch him as an actor. He will do that because just out of a long TV series gig that is the smart choice.

If picking an 'interesting role that stretches him as an actor' means he gets involved with another Superman project, I'd be very pleasantly surprised, but I guess only time will tell.

ok one, this has been a heated topic because there have been people arguing with me, and vice a versa about how much tom welling wants the part. actually, in other threads i defended the fact that he had a decent chance of getting the part in the new movie because at the time smallville was ending and the new superman film wasn't going to rehash what smallvilel was doing. it would have been a good segueway into the new film franchise. but over the years, it has been painfully obvious at how much tom welling doesn't really want to put on the tights. it's called having a discussion, and becuase i don't agree with you or bruce, it has become into much more than a debate. people have commented on what i say, and i simply respond to that. this started last week when i agreed with a couple of other posters, and i simply responded to them. then of course other people commented on what i commented. but again, the interviews that i have aren't just from earlier seasons. i can't find the video to the ign interview, but i posted a link to the transcription.


http://www.tvcentral.com.au/2010/05/21/tom-wellings-latest-interviews-from-the-cws-upfront-prehttp://www.tvcentral.com.au/2010/05/21/tom-wellings-latest-interviews-from-the-cws-upfront-presentation/sentation/


i never said tom welling wasn't qualified to play the part, only that he has no real desire to play the part, which has probably been a big reason why it has never happened yet. there is no reason to my knowledge, why he couldn't have put on the suit since about season 8 other than the fact that tom hasn't wanted to put the suit on. ultimately, the last two or three years, smallville has been a superman show but without the suit and flying. flying can be budgetary reasons, but still, thats just a small fact. they could have just said that this superman does not fly like the original superman didn't. all he did was leap tall buildings. maybe that had to do with the lawsuit, but who knows. as for superman returns and the failed justice league, that was all speculation as well. from what i could gather, singer really wanted routh from the get go because he liked his auditions from one of the earlier superman films that never made it through. cavill and caviezel were also leading candidates to play superman. Josh Hartnett was also one of the favorites to play superman earlier films. But again, this is all speculation. For the justice league movie, we don't really know what went on with that. That was from latino review, i think? Well from an interview from 2007, Noveck says how they wanted to keep the franchises separate as it would confuse the audience, so we don't really know how far a long tom welling got to being superman there either. But with the internet, everything is speculation. But i do know that, after ten years, Clark still isn't superman, and we don't know how much he'll be superman in the finale.

http://crushable.com/entertainment/tom-welling-is-not-part-of-justice-league-dc-explains-why/

 

[Migu-EL]

i never said tom welling wasn't qualified to play the part, only that he has no real desire to play the part, which has probably been a big reason why it has never happened yet. there is no reason to my knowledge, why he couldn't have put on the suit since about season 8 other than the fact that tom hasn't wanted to put the suit on. ultimately, the last two or three years, smallville has been a superman show but without the suit and flying. flying can be budgetary reasons, but still, thats just a small fact. they could have just said that this superman does not fly like the original superman didn't. all he did was leap tall buildings. maybe that had to do with the lawsuit, but who knows. as for superman returns and the failed justice league, that was all speculation as well. from what i could gather, singer really wanted routh from the get go because he liked his auditions from one of the earlier superman films that never made it through. cavill and caviezel were also leading candidates to play superman. Josh Hartnett was also one of the favorites to play superman earlier films. But again, this is all speculation. For the justice league movie, we don't really know what went on with that. That was from latino review, i think? Well from an interview from 2007, Noveck says how they wanted to keep the franchises separate as it would confuse the audience, so we don't really know how far a long tom welling got to being superman there either. But with the internet, everything is speculation. But i do know that, after ten years, Clark still isn't superman, and we don't know how much he'll be superman in the finale.

http://crushable.com/entertainment/tom-welling-is-not-part-of-justice-league-dc-explains-why/

There's no reason to believe that the reason Tom hasnt worn the suit since season 8 is due to him not wanting to. The show runners have made it perfectly clear that the show was never intended to be about him flying around wearing the suit. So if people were expecting him to wear it for multiple seasons, that's there fault. It all ultimately falls on the show runners and the execs at WB/DC. Even if Tom wanted to wear the suit since season 8 it still would have never happened because we've been told since day one that once Clark throws on the suit the shows over.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

There's no reason to believe that the reason Tom hasnt worn the suit since season 8 is due to him not wanting to. The show runners have made it perfectly clear that the show was never intended to be about him flying around wearing the suit. So if people were expecting him to wear it for multiple seasons, that's there fault. It all ultimately falls on the show runners and the execs at WB/DC. Even if Tom wanted to wear the suit since season 8 it still would have never happened because we've been told since day one that once Clark throws on the suit the shows over.

Exactly. The show was always about the journey to Superman. Those who were expecting to see Tom wear the suit early on didn't really get or care about the show and I'm gonna go so far as to say that they never really got that it's not the suit that makes the man, it's the man that makes the suit.
And of course they always want to find some scapegoat.
After years of fans *****ing about them (producers) stalling the plot, it's ironic that the show finally went forward to Clark's destiny and that we finally saw him wearing his shield in some way AFTER Tom became an executive producer and finally got a say on the direction of the show.
But they always made clear that flight would be shown only near the end of the scene as the last power and that the suit would only appear in the final episode. They were always true to that promise so anybody who expected it sooner was fooling themselves.

 

[vantheman77]

Like I said, somewhere between Dominion, Prophecy, and the series finale, Clark will fly in one of these episodes. I don't expect Clark to wear the suit until the series finale, but as long as he wears it in the series finale then I'll be happy. However, I have a problem with the idea of Clark not flying until towards the end of the series finale because then it would look like a lightswitch despite the teases we had. If he's to face Darkseid and earn the suit from Jor-El, he has no choice but to fly regardless.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya now with her being formally charged and all I doubt she would been picked anyway. Heck for all we know it could have just been her publishist or agent trying to get lindsey name on something good. But right now not likely a good thing. If anything she probably would have been a decent lana yrs ago. And with being blonde probably could be a fair cat grant. But I still don't see it happening.

As for tom stuff I agree a bit with trip. But the thing is its hard to know what's was what all the time. With crazy rumors thrown left to right for yrs. And for early yrs of sv tom not doing interviews and all that. Sure he probably was more afraid then but come to season 8-now he grown alot/much happier on set. So his views probably have changed alot from when he first signed on for the pilot.

 

[triplet]

There's no reason to believe that the reason Tom hasnt worn the suit since season 8 is due to him not wanting to. The show runners have made it perfectly clear that the show was never intended to be about him flying around wearing the suit. So if people were expecting him to wear it for multiple seasons, that's there fault. It all ultimately falls on the show runners and the execs at WB/DC. Even if Tom wanted to wear the suit since season 8 it still would have never happened because we've been told since day one that once Clark throws on the suit the shows over.

I think you hit this nail right on the head.

And I don't know what else to say to epic, we're just not going to see eye to eye.

And I still think, no matter if that comment about being terrified to wear the tights was made ten years ago or last week, that it's no more than Tom's reaction to what he'd previously called a 'big idea' in being full-on Superman.

Personally, I don't think he has a thing to worry about with the tights, either physically or acting-wise: his build is nearly perfect for Superman, he's big, brawny and has a lot of muscles. He'll look good, I'm sure. Even in that travesty of a SR suit, he will look fantastic. If anyone can pull that suit off, it will be Tom. I just hope they don't use the high crew neck...

Superman's suit shouldn't look like a t-shirt.

As for acting-wise? I think he's beautifully (and perhaps inexplicably) pulled off being Superman without the tights for ten seasons, I don't think the costuming he's wearing will really affect how people view his portrayal.

And I don't think he's in any danger of ruining the franchise. Just the opposite, Tom is probably the main reason the show has been on for ten seasons and probably has contributed to why Superman as a franchise is 'relevant' again.

He has nothing to be terrified of, unless he's worried he has been eating too many carbs and hasn't been doing enough cardio and is worried about a bit of gut.

All actors, and I mean all of them (I've known a lot), are very insecure on the inside. They may bluff and bluster, but inside they're all quivering piles of goo when it comes to exposing their own weaknesses.

It's just like what Andy Whitfield said about being in Spartacus and having to stay in top shape: it's partly out of fear.

If that man, possibly the most fit man on TV, is afraid of showing off his body, what chance does Tom have of being more confident? At least Clark is fully clothed for most of the show...

I think any actor would be worried, even if he has no real cause to be, about wearing skintight spandex in front of an HD camera.

I think that is all that was...

epic: You're possibly reading more into some off-hand comments than what had really been intended, but like you said: there's no proof either way.

So, we argue the indefensible because that is what we do...



No hard feelings, but I really don't see any point in continuing this any further.

BTW: your link was seriously broken... here is the fixed one:

http://www.tvcentral.com.au/2010/05...interviews-from-the-cws-upfront-presentation/

 

[vantheman77]

It may be possible that a Superman suit that would be made for TW may not be made of spandex since it wouldn't fit in the SV world. They should use the blue suit from Dr. Fate's costume.

 

[triplet]

It may be possible that a Superman suit that would be made for TW may not be made of spandex since it wouldn't fit in the SV world. They should use the blue suit from Dr. Fate's costume.

Well, I was just using that as an example....

I have idea how much spandex the SR suit actually has in it, but most stretchy fabrics have some.

 

[WildcatNC]

Figured this thread would disappear after the Cavill casting. Guess not.

 

[vantheman77]

Well, I was just using that as an example....

I have idea how much spandex the SR suit actually has in it, but most stretchy fabrics have some.

Or they could use the blue suit from Warrior Angel's from the 7th season episode, Action.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Figured this thread would disappear after the Cavill casting. Guess not.

Well as far as we can tell, there has been no confirmation that we will see Welling in the suit (unless I missed something) for the "Finale" of Smallville. So there's a chance that we might see him in the suit, so why make a new thread? Might as well keep this one going. Only now, it has switched from concentrating on Welling being cast as Clark Kent/Superman for the film, to him donning the tights on Smallville. t:

 

[epc11223]

There's no reason to believe that the reason Tom hasnt worn the suit since season 8 is due to him not wanting to. The show runners have made it perfectly clear that the show was never intended to be about him flying around wearing the suit. So if people were expecting him to wear it for multiple seasons, that's there fault. It all ultimately falls on the show runners and the execs at WB/DC. Even if Tom wanted to wear the suit since season 8 it still would have never happened because we've been told since day one that once Clark throws on the suit the shows over.

i can see your point about the show runners and the execs at wb/dc, but i think that the new show runners were more inclined to change that edict from the original regime of gough/millar. i just always got the impression that they didn't really like the "no flights/no tights" rule and thats why it's been much more of a superman show. i also think that no one really expected the show to last for ten years. many years smallville execs would have two plans for a season ending. one in which it would be a series finale and one for a season finale. that can explain for a lot of consistency errors as well as having to come up with new ideas for another season. creatively that can be extremely difficult for cast/crew/creators. my only point about the show being over, is that it didn't have to be over just because he wore the suit. the show evolved to being more than that. but thats just my personal feelings. it seemed like they kept changing/altering the show so it could have evolved to something more than just his journey to becoming superman. after hs, personally i think he should have been in college. he went to college when they first introduced brainiac, but they really didn't go anywhere with that. i don't think he ever graduated.

 

[epc11223]

I think you hit this nail right on the head.

And I don't know what else to say to epic, we're just not going to see eye to eye.

And I still think, no matter if that comment about being terrified to wear the tights was made ten years ago or last week, that it's no more than Tom's reaction to what he'd previously called a 'big idea' in being full-on Superman.

Personally, I don't think he has a thing to worry about with the tights, either physically or acting-wise: his build is nearly perfect for Superman, he's big, brawny and has a lot of muscles. He'll look good, I'm sure. Even in that travesty of a SR suit, he will look fantastic. If anyone can pull that suit off, it will be Tom. I just hope they don't use the high crew neck...

Superman's suit shouldn't look like a t-shirt.

As for acting-wise? I think he's beautifully (and perhaps inexplicably) pulled off being Superman without the tights for ten seasons, I don't think the costuming he's wearing will really affect how people view his portrayal.

And I don't think he's in any danger of ruining the franchise. Just the opposite, Tom is probably the main reason the show has been on for ten seasons and probably has contributed to why Superman as a franchise is 'relevant' again.

He has nothing to be terrified of, unless he's worried he has been eating too many carbs and hasn't been doing enough cardio and is worried about a bit of gut.

All actors, and I mean all of them (I've known a lot), are very insecure on the inside. They may bluff and bluster, but inside they're all quivering piles of goo when it comes to exposing their own weaknesses.

It's just like what Andy Whitfield said about being in Spartacus and having to stay in top shape: it's partly out of fear.

If that man, possibly the most fit man on TV, is afraid of showing off his body, what chance does Tom have of being more confident? At least Clark is fully clothed for most of the show...

I think any actor would be worried, even if he has no real cause to be, about wearing skintight spandex in front of an HD camera.

I think that is all that was...

epic: You're possibly reading more into some off-hand comments than what had really been intended, but like you said: there's no proof either way.

So, we argue the indefensible because that is what we do...



No hard feelings, but I really don't see any point in continuing this any further.

BTW: your link was seriously broken... here is the fixed one:

http://www.tvcentral.com.au/2010/05...interviews-from-the-cws-upfront-presentation/

i completely agree because this is something that neither of us can prove. of course there's no hard feelings! this is a discussion board, so when i come on here i intend to discuss lol. you i don't really have a problem with. it's comments from bruce wayne where he says:

"Those who were expecting to see Tom wear the suit early on didn't really get or care about the show and I'm gonna go so far as to say that they never really got that it's not the suit that makes the man, it's the man that makes the suit."

that could not be further from the truth and i find to be quite insulting. the show was originally intended to be clarks early years which we got. but a lot of the fans did not get to see the progression we liked because it took way too long. the first few seasons it was about his early years and again gough/millar and to my belief (not going to argue) tom welling didn't want the flights and tights. then they had the lex/lana drama till about season 6/season 7. once gough and millar left, we were hoping the flights/tights rule would be over with. gough and millar were never superman fans. i think they admitted that Annette Otoole knew more about the mythology of superman. sometimes that can be good for a show because you get fresh ideas, but they kept reusing plots. smallville was originally supposed to be a show about batman that never panned out. once gough and millar left, from what i can tell, the only thing that was really preventing a full on superman show was welling bc he never really wanted to be superman (said before, just saying for the point of being upset with the show and my personal feelings! lol). could have been the wb execs but we'll never know. then by season 8/9/10 we've seen progression and for the most part a superman show and don't really understand why there's no suit. he works at the planet, is with lois, had a jimmy, etc. it's a superman show, just without the official suit. of course the suit doesn't make him superman, we get that, but a lot of people who don't like the show, it's because of some of the things i just mentioned. we weren't fooling ourselves. the creators of the show kept teasing us with promos after promos of possible flying only for it to be a tease. it's almost like a bait and switch, and thats why the fans believed we'd get more. he flew in literally the second episode of the series in a dream! then in the end of the first season he flew to save lana. so it's been teased from the first season. to just finally know how to now is both exciting and disappointing to the fans.

 

[Bhoward]

Epic, you keep accusing Welling of being at fault for not wearing the suit. There are so many other mitigating factors involved than just TW. Welling stated several times that he felt once the show or the character became about Superman, and not Clark Kent that Smallville would end. His concerns as have been documented, is that everyone involved with the show, actors and crew, would no longer be working together. Thats it. Its not a fear of his career being typecast or being over. If anything that I've learned about this guy is that he appears to be very down to earth and caring about his family, friends, and coworkers. I think its wrong to look into this any further than that. Like Trip said, anyone, except maybe the most egotistical individuals, would have concerns about wearing a suit that is putting all of their business in the streets. Its just human nature. Those are his fears of wearing the suit, and I believe he is just being modest or tongue in cheek, as he's been a model, so obviously he doesnt have any real concerns about showing off his body. I think you're looking way too far into this.

 

[epc11223]

ok one, i never said he was the only factor, just probably a big part of it. but more importantly, if people keep commenting on this subject, how can this topic die down? it's completely ridiculous. i'm not even the original ones who started this debate, yet everyone keeps talking about it. of course i'm going to defend what i'm saying! and again, there is no proof either way. i have a right to my own opinion, as do you! but this really needs end, sheesh lol.

 

[Bhoward]

Then agree to disagree. You may not have started it, but you've been the loudest voice. I have no more to say on it other than my one post. if you want it die down, just don't respond.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well I don't see problem with keeping this thread going where we can talk about tom/superman and maybe throw out any more news on the reboot that comes out there. As for some probably don't want to venture over to the superman section.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

ROSENBAUM RETURNS!!! WOO HOOO! and you know what that means? The rumours of Welling being Superman are not rumours, they are facts - come the series finale he WILL BE SUPERMAN.