How do you think the X-Men will be introduced into the MCU?

[Protar]

And I won't fault you for wanting to see that, but if that is the route they go, I'm not the least bit interested.

What's the appeal in seeing the X-men as a team of older, confident heroes? We've already seen that with the original X-men films and in the MCU itself the Avengers are all quite mature. Seeing a superhero team grow in real time from teenagers with brand new superpowers to veteran adults would be quite unique.

 

[Protar]

This brings me to the X-Men and introducing them to the MCU. I don't think we really need that rationale because it really doesn't add to the "quality" of the storytelling at the end of the day, it's an answer to a question that outside of the fanboy/girl circles no one cares about. Not really. Unless said justification can improve upon or expand upon the general ideas behind the X-Men concept or characters I'm not of the mind it really adds to either the quality of the film or is ultimately necessary. The audience didn't know Wakanda was out there before CW and it didn't affect my or others' view on that film's quality. That's true for a lot of concepts in the MCU. I'm not really waiting to hear in universe justification beyond the standard idea of random super powered mutation to explain the abilities of the characters. And I don't think the mass audience or the critics will really care if they don't do that too.

You can't really compare Wakanda to the presence of mutants. Wakanda is by its nature a hidden civilisation, known to few, disguised as a poor farming nation. It's self-contained and it's explained why we don't know about it straight away.

Mutants walk amongst ordinary humans, they exist worldwide, many have powers that can't be hidden. You can't just say after ten years of interwoven, continuity reliant films that they have always been there. The reason the MCU is so successful is because of that interconnectivity. They shouldn't risk tarnishing that.

 

[Raiders]

I don’t understand why MCU fans wants the X-Men.
The MCU is doing fine without them.
It’s hard to believe Disney will change one of the most successful franchises because of fanboys.
I don’t think Disney will mess up a good thing by adding the X-Men complex storyline.

 

[Marvel united]

You can't really compare Wakanda to the presence of mutants. Wakanda is by its nature a hidden civilisation, known to few, disguised as a poor farming nation. It's self-contained and it's explained why we don't know about it straight away.

Mutants walk amongst ordinary humans, they exist worldwide, many have powers that can't be hidden. You can't just say after ten years of interwoven, continuity reliant films that they have always been there. The reason the MCU is so successful is because of that interconnectivity. They shouldn't risk tarnishing that.

Precisely this. @KRYPTON INC. Mutants aren't a super secret, technologically advanced society of people hidden away by cloaking tech on another continent. They aren't Sorcerers and Wizards who travel between alternative realities and planes of existence. They are everyday people/kids who one day wake up with the ability to level an entire city block by accident. Take this instance and multiply it by millions. That's what a mutant is. They can be anyone, they can be anywhere and they can happen at anytime. That's not something you can hide for 50+ years. In the Marvel Comics Universe, the unavoidable presence of mutants influences everything from politics to social norms. Mutants are a HUGE deal that can't be explained away with "they've been in the shadows all this time" because that explanation in itself flies In the face of common sense. They are a ground level problem/issue that affects everybody. If anything, it would be terrible storytelling to introduce a concept into your narrative but fail to explain it in any way that makes any sense. At least the explanations behind most of the concepts introduced through new franchises made sense in the MCU. There's no way Marvel aren't going to rationalize/explain the emergence of mutants. You can't take your audience's intelligence for granted

I don’t understand why MCU fans wants the X-Men. The MCU is doing fine without them. It’s hard to believe Disney will change one of the most successful franchises because of fanboys. I don’t think Disney will mess up a good thing by adding the X-Men complex storyline.

It's not just that we want it, it's a profound conclusion of FACT that it's going to happen. Feige is not going to leave the X-Men alone with Kinberg/Fox when it's one of Marvel's most lucrative brands with loads of potential and success under the MCU. It's just not going to happen. The X-Men are confirmed to be joining the MCU and it's not going to be the Fox interpretation of these characters.

 

[Kuwolski]

I don’t understand why MCU fans wants the X-Men.
The MCU is doing fine without them.
It’s hard to believe Disney will change one of the most successful franchises because of fanboys.
I don’t think Disney will mess up a good thing by adding the X-Men complex storyline.

I don't understand why you can't seem to grasp or acknowledge the obvious. Try pretending.

 

[Raiders]

I don't understand why you can't seem to grasp or acknowledge the obvious. Try pretending.

Here why:
Disney is a company not known for taking chances, whatever works, they will stick to it.
MCU is a well-oiled machine that is running great.
I can’t see Disney taking that chance by throwing a X wrench in this well-oiled machine.
It’s not going to increase box office, the X-Men existence will be hard to explain that would make any sense.
I don’t think Disney will mess with success.
They will make more money by keeping them separate. Fans seem to forget the X-Men is a very successful franchise too.
Why would Disney want to have one successful Marvel franchise when they now can have two successful Marvel franchises.

 

[Kuwolski]

Here why:
Disney is a company not known for taking chances, whatever works, they will stick to it.
MCU is a well-oiled machine that is running great.
I can’t see Disney taking that chance by throwing a X wrench in this well-oiled machine.
It’s not going to increase box office, the X-Men existence will be hard to explain that would make any sense.
I don’t think Disney will mess with success.
They will make more money by keeping them separate. Fans seem to forget the X-Men is a very successful franchise too.
Why would Disney want to have one successful Marvel franchise when they now can have two successful Marvel franchises.

It helps sustain the MCU (the most successful franchise ever) going forward and will make the main X-Men films more successful then ever at the box office.

Marvel have many successful franchises in a shared universe, the X-Men and spin-offs will just be more. Many franchises forming one giant universe.

Yes, Disney (actually Feige who runs the show) will 'throw a wrench' in this well-oiled machine and it will give the machine even greater horsepower.

This will all happen very soon and the majority of fans will rejoice. The Fox-verse is DOA the minute the merger is completed.

I hope you're having fun with all this pointless speculation.

 

[Raiders]

Doesn’t make economal or creative sense.
Can’t treat movies like comic books, the economics are different.

P.S. this tread is about pointless speculations, because whatever Disney does is their decision.

 

[Kuwolski]

Doesn’t make economal or creative sense.
Can’t treat movies like comic books, the economics are different.

P.S. this tread is about pointless speculations, because whatever Disney does is their decision

Actually they can and the economics only enforce that decision.

And Bob Iger, the boss of Alan Horn, the guy you say gives Kevin Feige his barking orders, has already stated there's is only one Marvel cinematically, so there's that.

 

[Protar]

Not sure how anyone can say that adding the X-men to the MCU would not increase the MCU's box office. The X-men were The A-list marvel superheroes (alongside Spiderman) prior to the MCU. Disney is jumping for joy at finally being able to play with those toys in the MCU.

They're the biggest group of heroes that have yet to be introduced to the MCU. Their inclusion a few years down the line will secure the future of the MCU for the next couple of decades, filling in the void left by the likes of Iron Man and Captain America. Disney would probably be wise to hold off on them for a few more years, so that characters like Spiderman, Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel can carry the baton for a while, but the X-men will carry the third generation of MCU heroes.

 

[Raiders]

Actually they can and the economics only enforce that decision.

And Bob Iger, the boss of Alan Horn, the guy you say gives Kevin Feige his barking orders, has already stated there's is only one Marvel cinematically, so there's that.

He was talking about Feige having access to the X-Men, he wasn’t talking about one universe.

 

[SumT]

Here why:
Disney is a company not known for taking chances, whatever works, they will stick to it.
MCU is a well-oiled machine that is running great.
I can’t see Disney taking that chance by throwing a X wrench in this well-oiled machine.
It’s not going to increase box office, the X-Men existence will be hard to explain that would make any sense.
I don’t think Disney will mess with success.
They will make more money by keeping them separate. Fans seem to forget the X-Men is a very successful franchise too.
Why would Disney want to have one successful Marvel franchise when they now can have two successful Marvel franchises.

seems like you didnt learn that Disney made Antman, Doctor Strange, Guardians, Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies. when did Fox in the franchise 20 years?

 

[Kuwolski]

Bob Iger Thinks Marvel Movies Should Be 'One Entity'

Bob Iger Thinks Marvel Movies Should Be 'One Entity'

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Precisely this. @KRYPTON INC. Mutants aren't a super secret, technologically advanced society of people hidden away by cloaking tech on another continent. They aren't Sorcerers and Wizards who travel between alternative realities and planes of existence. They are everyday people/kids who one day wake up with the ability to level an entire city block by accident. Take this instance and multiply it by millions. That's what a mutant is. They can be anyone, they can be anywhere and they can happen at anytime. That's not something you can hide for 50+ years. In the Marvel Comics Universe, the unavoidable presence of mutants influences everything from politics to social norms. Mutants are a HUGE deal that can't be explained away with "they've been in the shadows all this time" because that explanation in itself flies In the face of common sense. They are a ground level problem/issue that affects everybody. If anything, it would be terrible storytelling to introduce a concept into your narrative but fail to explain it in any way that makes any sense. At least the explanations behind most of the concepts introduced through new franchises made sense in the MCU. There's no way Marvel aren't going to rationalize/explain the emergence of mutants. You can't take your audience's intelligence for granted

I would like you to point out where in any of what I wrote that I used the term or even intimated something along the lines of "they've been in the shadows all this time".

I'll wait...

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So... Are we on the same page now? Good. Because I didn't say they were "in the shadows". I said simply that the approach will be "We just didn't do stories about them yet." And... Now they are. Even in the early Marvel Comics mutants aren't talked about... Until the first issue of X-Men. Marvel Comics were and are an interconnected universe too, no? Are the pre-X-Men comics of Marvel deeply flawed and insulting their audience because there's no mention of mutants before X-Men #1?

I think that the mass audience won't think about this anymore than they thought about Tom Holland's Spidey showing up. The vast majority of both the hard core fans and the general audience will not give an airborne copulation about "Where were the mutants when (insert event that happened in the MCU)?" The most likely reaction is going to be "Cool... New X-men". No statistically important amount of the movie audience is going to be hungry for some justification that will take up space in a script that would be better served with material that goes toward compelling plots, characterization, action and over arching storytelling. At best... BEST, I can see perhaps a line that's thrown away and superfluous as some hand wave, and they don't even NEED that.

No one reasonable would say they are being insulted by having the Mutants in the MCU without some grand convoluted reasoning only a small but vocal group of online fans are clamoring for.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

it isn't mutants, being enhanced persons introduced in a show like an USAF veteran stealing his old combat gear. It is all the later anti mutant activities of the general MCU public that make many classic X-Men stories unique seemingly coming out of nowhere. Some mass discrimination and persecution when so far everything seen on movie screens so far suggest heroic superstar would be how the MCU public resounds to mutants being discovered

 

[Protar]

I would like you to point out where in any of what I wrote that I used the term or even intimated something along the lines of "they've been in the shadows all this time".

I'll wait...

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So... Are we on the same page now? Good. Because I didn't say they were "in the shadows". I said simply that the approach will be "We just didn't do stories about them yet." And... Now they are. Even in the early Marvel Comics mutants aren't talked about... Until the first issue of X-Men. Marvel Comics were and are an interconnected universe too, no? Are the pre-X-Men comics of Marvel deeply flawed and insulting their audience because there's no mention of mutants before X-Men #1?

I think that the mass audience won't think about this anymore than they thought about Tom Holland's Spidey showing up. The vast majority of both the hard core fans and the general audience will not give an airborne copulation about "Where were the mutants when (insert event that happened in the MCU)?" The most likely reaction is going to be "Cool... New X-men". No statistically important amount of the movie audience is going to be hungry for some justification that will take up space in a script that would be better served with material that goes toward compelling plots, characterization, action and over arching storytelling. At best... BEST, I can see perhaps a line that's thrown away and superfluous as some hand wave, and they don't even NEED that.

No one reasonable would say they are being insulted by having the Mutants in the MCU without some grand convoluted reasoning only a small but vocal group of online fans are clamoring for.

It's one thing to have individual characters happen to not pop up until now. But it just breaks suspension of disbelief to have had mutants walking around for decades and for them to have never come up before in Marvel movies. Fury doesn't contact any mutants to become part of the Avengers? The Sokovia accords don't have anything to say about mutants? We never see SHIELD dealing with them in AOS?

The reasoning doesn't need to be especially convoluted. You just need some terrigenesis-esque event to explain a sudden explosion in mutant population.

 

[metaphysician]

it isn't mutants, being enhanced persons introduced in a show like an USAF veteran stealing his old combat gear. It is all the later anti mutant activities of the general MCU public that make many classic X-Men stories unique seemingly coming out of nowhere. Some mass discrimination and persecution when so far everything seen on movie screens so far suggest heroic superstar would be how the MCU public resounds to mutants being discovered

Also. . . honestly, the idea that mutants being the person next door somehow leading to *more* distrust and hatred? Really kind of stretches plausibility. Traditionally, even people who actively hold prejudiced views tend to moderate them for people they actually know as people. There's a reason "No, he's one of the good ones" is a cliche. Anything less than angry screaming KKK membership bigotry is about fear and distrust of the vague, ill-defined, symbolic "other" more than flesh and blood people right in front of you.

( Which means the main place you'll find people rationalizing why the world totally is justified in fearing and hating mutants, will be that place where the lack of flesh and blood people brings out all the worst tendencies people hide: internet message boards. *zing!* )

Essentially, if mutants actually are common enough that any random person is likely to actually know or meet a mutant? Then I would expect anti-mutant paranoia to be less prominent than, say, distrust of the Avengers, because people are going to be more distrustful of distant powerful people than they are of Joe McElroy from across the street who uses his mutant mind powers to clear his yard of dead leaves every fall.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

It's one thing to have individual characters happen to not pop up until now. But it just breaks suspension of disbelief to have had mutants walking around for decades and for them to have never come up before in Marvel movies. Fury doesn't contact any mutants to become part of the Avengers? The Sokovia accords don't have anything to say about mutants? We never see SHIELD dealing with them in AOS?

The reasoning doesn't need to be especially convoluted. You just need some terrigenesis-esque event to explain a sudden explosion in mutant population.

Well trade mutants for Inhumans and then you have Senator Nadir instead of Senator Kelly, Watchdogs instead of Purifiers, known Inhumans under going a Sokovian Accords registration process. But in any case all of this wasn't after having decades of mutants being around but specifically after the Age of Ultron and the newly turned Inhumans causing damage while they could not control their gifts that world leaders and vigilantes started to address a new way controlling the enhanced now that S.H.I.E.L.D./Hydra was gone.

 

[2kt09]

Well trade mutants for Inhumans and then you have Senator Nadir instead of Senator Kelly, Watchdogs instead of Purifiers, known Inhumans under going a Sokovian Accords registration process. But in any case all of this wasn't after having decades of mutants being around but specifically after the Age of Ultron and the newly turned Inhumans causing damage while they could not control their gifts that world leaders and vigilantes started to address a new way controlling the enhanced now that S.H.I.E.L.D./Hydra was gone.

It's because of all this that they might as well give up "mutant" in the MCU and just have all these X-characters be In(Nu)humans.

 

[BoredGuy]

ughh f*** no

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would like you to point out where in any of what I wrote that I used the term or even intimated something along the lines of "they've been in the shadows all this time".

I'll wait...

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So... Are we on the same page now? Good. Because I didn't say they were "in the shadows". I said simply that the approach will be "We just didn't do stories about them yet." And... Now they are. Even in the early Marvel Comics mutants aren't talked about... Until the first issue of X-Men. Marvel Comics were and are an interconnected universe too, no? Are the pre-X-Men comics of Marvel deeply flawed and insulting their audience because there's no mention of mutants before X-Men #1?

I think that the mass audience won't think about this anymore than they thought about Tom Holland's Spidey showing up. The vast majority of both the hard core fans and the general audience will not give an airborne copulation about "Where were the mutants when (insert event that happened in the MCU)?" The most likely reaction is going to be "Cool... New X-men". No statistically important amount of the movie audience is going to be hungry for some justification that will take up space in a script that would be better served with material that goes toward compelling plots, characterization, action and over arching storytelling. At best... BEST, I can see perhaps a line that's thrown away and superfluous as some hand wave, and they don't even NEED that.

No one reasonable would say they are being insulted by having the Mutants in the MCU without some grand convoluted reasoning only a small but vocal group of online fans are clamoring for.

I have been saying this since the beginning

The general public won't care about why the X-Men were not around for event X. Only hardcore fanboys will ask these type of questions. I could make this argument for almost every MCU film in the history of ever and every comic book story line for that matter, as well. People are just over thinking things.

 

[Protar]

It's because of all this that they might as well give up "mutant" in the MCU and just have all these X-characters be In(Nu)humans.

No way they're going to link the new X-men films to the Inhumans, which was the MCU's only outright failure.

 

[Chiznuk]

Also. . . honestly, the idea that mutants being the person next door somehow leading to *more* distrust and hatred? Really kind of stretches plausibility. Traditionally, even people who actively hold prejudiced views tend to moderate them for people they actually know as people. There's a reason "No, he's one of the good ones" is a cliche. Anything less than angry screaming KKK membership bigotry is about fear and distrust of the vague, ill-defined, symbolic "other" more than flesh and blood people right in front of you.

( Which means the main place you'll find people rationalizing why the world totally is justified in fearing and hating mutants, will be that place where the lack of flesh and blood people brings out all the worst tendencies people hide: internet message boards. *zing!* )

Essentially, if mutants actually are common enough that any random person is likely to actually know or meet a mutant? Then I would expect anti-mutant paranoia to be less prominent than, say, distrust of the Avengers, because people are going to be more distrustful of distant powerful people than they are of Joe McElroy from across the street who uses his mutant mind powers to clear his yard of dead leaves every fall.

No, that's how people justify their bigotry. Once those in power sell the population on the idea that such and such groups are a danger then the populace is much more willing to accept the withholding of equal rights or the committing of atrocities against said group. You (general "you") may not burn a cross on Joe McElroy's lawn but you certainly don't believe Mr. McElroy deserves the right to vote like you do or deserves to sit in the same restaurant as you. As long as he "knows his place" then you have no problem with him.

How many people in this country still rationalize the forced separation of families at the border? ("We need stronger border security!" "They shouldn't be coming here illegally. It's their own fault!") How many of these people have an immigrant family member or at least know someone from an immigrant background? People are easily susceptible to propaganda and it's scary how they can very willingly accept atrocities even if it hits close to home.

Now take this into the MCU. We already have governments around the world beginning to show mistrust of enhanced individuals and responding to the perceived threat with the Sokovia Accords. And this is when there are still relatively low numbers of enhanced people. The Avengers only get to continue because they are placed under government control. Now imagine what happens when there's a mutant boom and the population of enhanced individuals grows into the thousands. Far greater than the government's of the world can keep contained. That's when we'll start hearing "Mutant Registration Act" thrown around. That's when Sentinels will become necessary to protect our citizens. That's when mutants will need to be "relocated" for their protection and our own. And the populace will rationalize it just like in our own world with immigrant children being place in cages.

("The government said it was for their own protection." "I've seen these relocation settlements and they look nice. I don't know why mutants are complaining!")

 

[Protar]

Also. . . honestly, the idea that mutants being the person next door somehow leading to *more* distrust and hatred? Really kind of stretches plausibility. Traditionally, even people who actively hold prejudiced views tend to moderate them for people they actually know as people. There's a reason "No, he's one of the good ones" is a cliche. Anything less than angry screaming KKK membership bigotry is about fear and distrust of the vague, ill-defined, symbolic "other" more than flesh and blood people right in front of you.

( Which means the main place you'll find people rationalizing why the world totally is justified in fearing and hating mutants, will be that place where the lack of flesh and blood people brings out all the worst tendencies people hide: internet message boards. *zing!* )

Essentially, if mutants actually are common enough that any random person is likely to actually know or meet a mutant? Then I would expect anti-mutant paranoia to be less prominent than, say, distrust of the Avengers, because people are going to be more distrustful of distant powerful people than they are of Joe McElroy from across the street who uses his mutant mind powers to clear his yard of dead leaves every fall.

The notion that any given person you see on the streets could potentially have the power to level a city-block completely unarmed would certainly give rise to paranoia and bigotry. The Avengers are one thing - the public knows who they are, they know that they're the good guys. Mutants can be anyone and that is what will scare the citizens of the MCU.

That said I'd like to hold off on mutant discrimination in the first movie. Have the first movie focus on the first year of the mutant population explosion and on young mutants coming to terms with their powers. Then in the future films introduce discrimination, anti-mutant legislation etc. Done right it could be incredibly powerful and relevant social commentary.

 

[Raiders]

When Disney takes over, does this mean we will lose a lot of the Avengers characters to make room for the X-Men and/or F4.

The only logical way I see how the X-Men will be introduce into the MCU is to not do it at all. Every scenario I can think of and what I read on this tread doesn’t make much sense.