The Dark Knight How good a fighter should the Joker be?

[itsthebatman]

Yeah, one psychopath is worse than 600 ninjas. lol

That was just an expression Ra's used. When Batman was outnumbered (in the Narrows) he used the grapple hook to GTFO of there.
Anywa, Joker has form, he's beaten Batman in Batman #1 and held him off for long enough in TMWL to kill his second victim in the helicopter house attack.

 

[dark_b]

it doesnt matter how it was in the comics. BB is different.

 

[El Payaso]

Woah, cool it Taco Bell.
Without resorting to anal geek-detail, you surely got the point:
Joker's mental. Batman ain't. Joker will push things way further than Batman can or wants to.
That's why they're the perfect match.
TRY not to take everything so literally, darling.

Batman is a mental case too, even if he's not as bad as Joker. That said... you're still wrong. Batman is highly prepared to fight a ninja or a nuts case. He's prepared for dirty fight, surprises, etc.

I've yet to see in any comic....or in Batman Begins....where Bruce was trained to go up against 600 ninjas...or even that many untrained men. I've yet to see where he was trained to go up against that many...divided by 10....at once. He was trained by a ninja-like organization in the movie (The League of Shadows) to fight against average criminals. Just as he was trained to go up against average criminals in every other comic, animated, live action, or otherwise interpretation.....

Wrong.

He was trained to fight fully skilled ninjas. That way he's more than porepared tpomfoight average criminals, yes, but just because he can fight far worse guys.

And just for the record, this is not a comic. It's a mvoie that has already shown differences respect to the comics.

There was a line in the film, from Ducard, about Bruce fighting six men at once....in that jail courtyard.... but that's as close as it got to him fighting so many dudes at once...except for when he was escaping the League of Shadows fortress.....but they didn't rush him all at once.

Even so, 4 ninjas are harder than one looney.

 

[El Payaso]

That was just an expression Ra's used. When Batman was outnumbered (in the Narrows) he used the grapple hook to GTFO of there.

So he still can use that grapple gun in Joker's case.

Anywa, Joker has form, he's beaten Batman in Batman #1 and held him off for long enough in TMWL to kill his second victim in the helicopter house attack.

And Batman told Catwoman, Quiet or papa spank.

Fact is Batman is fully prepared for many kinds of fighting and the Joker is not.

 

[itsthebatman]

So he still can use that grapple gun in Joker's case.

And Batman told Catwoman, Quiet or papa spank.

Fact is Batman is fully prepared for many kinds of fighting and the Joker is not.

Yes, but on a handful of occasions Joker has gotten the better of him. It would not stretch credulity, or overly deviate from comics precedent, to have Joker get one over on Batman in one fight, and then Batman can beat the crap out of him later on, once he gets the measure of Joker.

 

[Figs]

I picked average. I definetly don't think he should be able to hold his own against Batman but I sure don't want him as a wimp like in Batman '89. This Joker looks like he has some balls to him as well as youth and not being overweight. I think he'll manage shortly against Batman using extremely dirty tricks but will have to end up running.

 

[Two-Face]

Joker should be good fighter but not equal to Batman.

 

[hannya]

That said... you're still wrong. Batman is highly prepared to fight a ninja or a nuts case.

What exactly is a "nuts case", Mr.I'm Right Because I've Decided I Am?
A portable snack bag? A pouch on the BatBelt filled with tasty savoury health food?
It seems you ARE right! Batman would have no problem kicking seven shades of S**t out of a packet of dry roasted peanuts.
In other words:
Don't come on here with your juvenile "I'm right you're wrong" attitude.
Stop being a punk.

 

[Brian Braddock]

That's just being pedantic - you know he meant.

What's next - pointing out grammatical errors and spelling mistakes?

And you accused him of having a juvenile attitude?

C'mon, fair's fair.

 

[rpenguin]

Joker should be Ra's' new protege!!

 

[Wolfman]

Heath Ledger gives me the image of being average fighter.

 

[El Payaso]

What exactly is a "nuts case", Mr.I'm Right Because I've Decided I Am?

A looney, i.e., Joker, Mr. Being Wrong Gives Sense to my Life.

It seems you ARE right! Batman would have no problem kicking seven shades of S**t out of a packet of dry roasted peanuts.

That or Joker.

In other words:
Don't come on here with your juvenile "I'm right you're wrong" attitude.
Stop being a punk.

It's my batman-y duty to show your mistakes.

But this comedic side of yours seems to fit you more. At least in comedy you can't be wrong.

 

[Doc Holliday]

it doesnt matter how it was in the comics. BB is different.

Oh good God, please tell me you're joking.

 

[dark_b]

Oh good God, please tell me you're joking.

just because joker fall from a plane and survive in the comics that doesnt mean that in the movie it would work.
why i am writting this? because i hate: in the comics

i dont care what he does in the comics. in BB bruce is a fighting machine. and if you are doing a sequel to BB then joker has no chance.

 

[Doc Holliday]

just because joker fall from a plane and survive in the comics that doesnt mean that in the movie it would work.
why i am writting this? because i hate: in the comics

i dont care what he does in the comics. in BB bruce is a fighting machine. and if you are doing a sequel to BB then joker has no chance.

Your first point is valid, yes. But in Batman #1 Bruce is the same fighting machine, and he gets his ass handed to him the first time he fights Joker.

 

[El Payaso]

Your first point is valid, yes. But in Batman #1 Bruce is the same fighting machine, and he gets his ass handed to him the first time he fights Joker.

There are many things taken different from Batman's first comics, like Batman having a non killing code and the realism Nolan had added should prevent to have such a contradiction as havong a regular guy kicking Batman's ass.

Now if he throes acid to him or whateever, that I can get it. Like Scarecrow did to Batman in BB. I think that's nthe kind of ass kicking we'll see.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Just like any person who has an adrenaline rush the Joker might be an average fighter but in no way is he in the same leagues as Batman.

 

[Etienne]

He should put a bat to the bat

 

[Visionary]

The Joker should not be able to go toe-to-toe with Batman in a fight, period.

 

[hegele]

I agree Freedom. His carelessness should be a lethal advantage.

 

[strider]

I voted Joker to be a "Good" fighter because in Nolans Batworld, Joker probably WAS or IS an experienced thug/goon and most of those guys know how to street fight and even know a good bit of self defense and know how to use weapons. I'll still except for Joker to cheat or pull a fast one on Bats in their 1st fight resulting in Bats getting his arse beat. By the last encounter I'll expect for Bats to nearly beat Joker to death.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'll say one thing about the Joker. He ain't no Scarecrow.

 

[SpHinX]

Let him be quick and sneaky, almost like Batman. His laugh is the one thing that lets you know he's lurking in the shadows. This be could used in a scene involving funhouse mirrors(Which would be crazy if we did get one) Don't let him be able to throw a death blow like Batman because then it's just ridiculous. And besides, punching that armor with your bare knuckles will probably shatter your fist. Just make the Joker have the skills of an insane street fighter, he can fight the average joe and win, but not Batman. Just allow him to use his surroundings as his weapons, steel pipes, manhole covers, etc... lol And please make him laugh his ass off while he's taking an ass whooping

 

[Reznik]

I think Joker should be able to fight better than the average thug. His asset should not be strength or finely tuned skill, but sheer unpredictability. He should get the better of Batman at least once, not because he is a better fighter but because he is random, chaotic, unpredictable. After all, this is early Batman. He's not fully prepared and doesn't have the experience to tackle Joker right off the bat. This is a guy the likes of which he's never seen before, so it would make sense that he needs to feel him out first. It's sort of like his first encounter with Scarecrow in BB- he had no idea the fear gas was coming, so he got schooled. Afterwards he was prepared and took on Scarecrow like nothing.

I don't want to see Joker busting out some kung fu or anything, but he should be sort of like Jackie Chan in the way that he uses anything around him as a weapon, be it a chair, a crowbar, or something completely random. Or, of course, guns.

 

[El Payaso]

I think Joker should be able to fight better than the average thug.

Ninjas are better fighters than average thugs. Batman kicks ninjas' asses.

His asset should not be strength or finely tuned skill, but sheer unpredictability. He should get the better of Batman at least once, not because he is a better fighter but because he is random, chaotic, unpredictable.

Batman's fully skilled and trained to fight the unpredictable. Fully shown in BB.

After all, this is early Batman. He's not fully prepared and doesn't have the experience to tackle Joker right off the bat.

BB let perfectly clear he's not an early Batman anymore. He beat his own master and trainer. He is fully prepared.

This is a guy the likes of which he's never seen before, so it would make sense that he needs to feel him out first. It's sort of like his first encounter with Scarecrow in BB- he had no idea the fear gas was coming, so he got schooled. Afterwards he was prepared and took on Scarecrow like nothing.

I agree with this. Some secret device that doesn't involve fighting skills is what Joker needs.