The Dark Knight How good a fighter should the Joker be?

[Baba Ghanoush]

with the set reports and what they seem to be doing with the Joker, I believe the Joker's fighting style can be summed up in one word;
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lol, true. The guy's in a semi with a grenade launcher. Good luck trying to stop that.

 

[Drunken Savior]

I wanna see Joker get his ass handed to him by Bats. I don't want him to be a weakling, but I wanna see Batman lose it a little when he fights the Joker. But ultimately, I'd like to see the Joker take one punch to the face and drop.

But only near the end of the film. Let him elude Bats throughout the film with a few battles, but nothing major. Then, once the time is right, Batman just knocks him on his ass and gives Mr. J a lot to think about in Arkham.

 

[BubbaGump]

Joker's fighting method would be like this:

He's circling Batman with his fists raised, then just when you think he's going to strike, he takes out a gun and shoots Bats. Joker can never take on Batman with strength.

 

[comic_guy04]

How about beating up Harvey Dent in 'TLH'?

Hi, long time lurker, first time poster.

Now, for the topic... The Joker should be way behind Batman, as far as we talk about fight skills, but still he shouldn't be a total weakling. Maybe using weapons like guns, crowbars, etc. should equal the things when he encounter Bats.

To be fair Harvey was whippin his ass then Joker kicked him in the nuts and dropped him. That's "dominating" the fight like a six year old girl. You think a guy who spent like seven years of his life training with ninjas is gonna let a gun wielding crook with no fighting experience in comparison to Bruce slam him in the bat bombs?

 

[shapeshifter]

i don't really want to see joker fight batman to a standstill, but i would really like it if he seemed to be fairly immune to pain. you know, so he can take several major hits and keep laughing. I'm thinking of that scene in fight club where tyler is getting pounded by the fat guy and just keep laughing and bleeding all over the place. something like that would be perfect IMO

 

[gwynplaine]

The Joker should be as good a fighter as Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the lambs. These guys fight with their brain but when it comes time to take a bite out of someone's face, not a problem.

 

[El Payaso]

Batman is brute force, Joker is quick action.

As fast as Batman is, you can only move so much with all that equipment on. Joker can move swiftly with regular clothes.

As long as he spent several years training himself like Batman did.

 

[Fred Gossage]

Batman trained to fight average thiefs, rapists, murderers..... He was heavily trained in hand-to-hand combat.....and to use theatrics to fighten his opponent....to make him appear supernatural.... He was NOT trained to go against a psychopath like The Joker....that may have ANYTHING up his sleeve.... while Joker's throwing a punch with his right hand...sliding the knife down the sleeve of his left arm. You also have to remember, this is early on in Batman's career... he's trained for several years yes....and he was a very efficient fighting machine in the first movie...yes..... but he's still new to all this in the real world. He's not perfect, and if he is distracted for just a second or two... as quickly as The Joker moves (read 'Batman: The Man Who Laughs" or any other similar comic...he's quick as hell), that's all he would need to pull a crowbar out of his jacket and slam it into Batman's head. As time passes, and Batman fights The Joker more and more...things become more predictable...even with that madman.... but this is the Joker's first appearance...Batman's gonna be at least a little surprised when he goes up against him.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

The Joker needs to fight good, but not Kung-Fu Tai Chi or anything like that. His only fighting style should be crazy.

Agreed. Joker kicked Batman's ass the first time they ever fought in the comics...out of pure psychotic fury.

I'd like to see that happen at least once in TDK.

 

[DieSmiling]

I see the Joker as having a fighting style similiar to De Niro's character 'Johnny Boy' when he fights in the pool hall in 'Mean Streets'.

No real prowess or fighting skill - just mad as a hatter - wild and unpredictable - prone to using whatever is at hand as a weapon, and once he sees an opening he lashes out repeatedly; almost in a frenzy.

This is what I want.

 

[Batman FREAK]

I think Batman at times can be overconfident. Which of course will get him knocked on his ass every now and then a la The Scarecrow in Begins getting lit on fire, and now with the Joker...who will use all kinds of weird sh** to his advantage.

 

[Killing Joke926]

For me, Joker should be a pretty good fighter; at times even better than BatMan, but in a cheating way. Joker should sort of make up his own style of fighting as long as its dirty and intense; and of course Joker isn't much without his Joker Venom or gun (spear gun if possible).t:

P.S. And for as long as I've known Joker he should always be having some sort of distracting conversation with BatMan that would piss him off and that could give him the upper hand of beating Bats.

 

[strider]

Joker will beat the Bat down in TDK only to later get destroyed in the end.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Joker's fighting method would be like this:

He's circling Batman with his fists raised, then just when you think he's going to strike, he takes out a gun and shoots Bats. Joker can never take on Batman with strength.

In Batman #1 he beat the hell out of Batman the first time they ever fought.

 

[Rincewind]

To be fair Harvey was whippin his ass then Joker kicked him in the nuts and dropped him. That's "dominating" the fight like a six year old girl. You think a guy who spent like seven years of his life training with ninjas is gonna let a gun wielding crook with no fighting experience in comparison to Bruce slam him in the bat bombs?

Well, when you put that way - yes, this won't work when dealing with Batman, but the important thing here is not the specific trick - like the kick in the nuts - but the main principal. And it's the fact that while The Joker shouldn't - he can't - dominate the fight, he still must be able to hold his own, even for a second or two, via all kinds of unpredictable, unfair and nasty tactics. A good example is the fight from 'The Killing Joke' - Bats was hammering Mr. J big time, but he used his acid flower, then pocked his eyes out, a bit later tried with the gun - and while he still lost the fight and the dominating one was Batman, at least I, at the end, had the impression that The Joker was a pretty dangerous guy.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Well, when you put that way - yes, this won't work when dealing with Batman, but the important thing here is not the specific trick - like the kick in the nuts - but the main principal. And it's the fact that while The Joker shouldn't - he can't - dominate the fight, he still must be able to hold his own, even for a second or two, via all kinds of unpredictable, unfair and nasty tactics. A good example is the fight from 'The Killing Joke' - Bats was hammering Mr. J big time, but he used his acid flower, then pocked his eyes out, a bit later tried with the gun - and while he still lost the fight and the dominating one was Batman, at least I, at the end, had the impression that The Joker was a pretty dangerous guy.

Exactly. He can't win fairly, so he cheats.

 

[Shot Gun Shy]

Batman trained to fight average thiefs, rapists, murderers..... He was heavily trained in hand-to-hand combat.....and to use theatrics to fighten his opponent....to make him appear supernatural.... He was NOT trained to go against a psychopath like The Joker....that may have ANYTHING up his sleeve.... while Joker's throwing a punch with his right hand...sliding the knife down the sleeve of his left arm. You also have to remember, this is early on in Batman's career... he's trained for several years yes....and he was a very efficient fighting machine in the first movie...yes..... but he's still new to all this in the real world. He's not perfect, and if he is distracted for just a second or two... as quickly as The Joker moves (read 'Batman: The Man Who Laughs" or any other similar comic...he's quick as hell), that's all he would need to pull a crowbar out of his jacket and slam it into Batman's head. As time passes, and Batman fights The Joker more and more...things become more predictable...even with that madman.... but this is the Joker's first appearance...Batman's gonna be at least a little surprised when he goes up against him.

YESSSSSSS

 

[El Payaso]

Batman trained to fight average thiefs, rapists, murderers..... He was heavily trained in hand-to-hand combat.....and to use theatrics to fighten his opponent....to make him appear supernatural.... He was NOT trained to go against a psychopath like The Joker....that may have ANYTHING up his sleeve.... while Joker's throwing a punch with his right hand...sliding the knife down the sleeve of his left arm. You also have to remember, this is early on in Batman's career... he's trained for several years yes....and he was a very efficient fighting machine in the first movie...yes..... but he's still new to all this in the real world. He's not perfect, and if he is distracted for just a second or two... as quickly as The Joker moves (read 'Batman: The Man Who Laughs" or any other similar comic...he's quick as hell), that's all he would need to pull a crowbar out of his jacket and slam it into Batman's head. As time passes, and Batman fights The Joker more and more...things become more predictable...even with that madman.... but this is the Joker's first appearance...Batman's gonna be at least a little surprised when he goes up against him.

Yeah, one psychopath is worse than 600 ninjas. lol

 

[Mr. Socko]

Average.


No way should Joker be as good a fighter as Batman.

 

[hannya]

You forgot to mention that the bulky kid was trained for years to fight 600 men while the skinny wasn't. Not nuff was said.

Woah, cool it Taco Bell.
Without resorting to anal geek-detail, you surely got the point:
Joker's mental. Batman ain't. Joker will push things way further than Batman can or wants to.
That's why they're the perfect match.
TRY not to take everything so literally, darling.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Socko, your avatar is awesome now because I've seen HP5 twice in the last week.

 

[Fred Gossage]

Yeah, one psychopath is worse than 600 ninjas. lol

I've yet to see in any comic....or in Batman Begins....where Bruce was trained to go up against 600 ninjas...or even that many untrained men. I've yet to see where he was trained to go up against that many...divided by 10....at once. He was trained by a ninja-like organization in the movie (The League of Shadows) to fight against average criminals. Just as he was trained to go up against average criminals in every other comic, animated, live action, or otherwise interpretation.....

There was a line in the film, from Ducard, about Bruce fighting six men at once....in that jail courtyard.... but that's as close as it got to him fighting so many dudes at once...except for when he was escaping the League of Shadows fortress.....but they didn't rush him all at once.

 

[dark_b]

Batman trained to fight average thiefs, rapists, murderers..... He was heavily trained in hand-to-hand combat.....and to use theatrics to fighten his opponent....to make him appear supernatural.... He was NOT trained to go against a psychopath like The Joker....that may have ANYTHING up his sleeve.... while Joker's throwing a punch with his right hand...sliding the knife down the sleeve of his left arm. You also have to remember, this is early on in Batman's career... he's trained for several years yes....and he was a very efficient fighting machine in the first movie...yes..... but he's still new to all this in the real world. He's not perfect, and if he is distracted for just a second or two... as quickly as The Joker moves (read 'Batman: The Man Who Laughs" or any other similar comic...he's quick as hell), that's all he would need to pull a crowbar out of his jacket and slam it into Batman's head. As time passes, and Batman fights The Joker more and more...things become more predictable...even with that madman.... but this is the Joker's first appearance...Batman's gonna be at least a little surprised when he goes up against him.

i dont agree with this. batman in BB is hte ultimate fighter.
if they will dumb him down fine. but if they wont and he will be like in BB than joker has no chance.

batman was trained how? in BB he fights ducard who was hes teacher and he fights 5 members of the league of shadows and he owns them. he wasnt trained to fight avarage criminals. this was not in BB: he was trained to fight every guy in the world.

again joker has no chance in a fight with batman from BB. only a gun can help him or if something big falls on batman and brakes hes arm.

the only way to make a good and interesting finale at the end of TDK is if they make him a little slower and weaker. in BB he is TO good.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

In most incarnations of the comics, the Joker can throw down. No of course in a fair fight, Batman mops the floor with him, but he has been known to kick the crap out of lowly thugs. If I remember correctly, the Joker is "officially" 6'5. He's pretty damn big, and particularly loves beating people down with a crowbar. So my answer is "above average."

 

[Wolfwood]

I don't like the idea of the Joker being able to go toe to toe with Batman, Bruce is a fantastic fighter with a lot of training, someone like Joker shouldn't be able to land a punch on him. The only way Joker should be able to come out on top is by using his little toys, being really unpredictable and Joker knowing that Batman would never let an innocent be hurt (so maybe the Joker would shoot at someone and Batman would jump in front of the bullet). Only through those methods do I see Joker fighting against Batman. I can never see him getting physical with Batman, unless Batman was down and injured.