The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Batman Vs. Bane Spoilers

[ThePhantasm]

No,
Adrenaline, Steroids... it doesnt matter. Its impossible.

What a persuasive argument. I stated one thing, you responded to the contrary. Now I see that you are right.

Oh wait - - no, there actually are people who lift 250 pound dumbells with one hand, in the world's strongest man competitions. Given that Ra's is certainly not 250 pounds, and more like 180, and given that Bruce was fueled by adrenaline as well as taxed by the effort to the limits of his strength, and given that Batman in the comics is often portrayed as being at peak human strength and agility... I'd say it isn't impossible. Difficult, but not impossible.

 

[ComicStalker]

Sure, a 6 foot man that weighs 180 lbs. He may be slender but he isnt a skeleton.
Let me put it like this. For a man, any man to pull another man up the way Bruce Wayne did in BB is impossible. Especially dead weight.

 

[Just_Human]

Every scenario has pitted a weakened Batman against Bane in the initial encounter. I know Bane is formidable, but I still don’t see him beating TDK Batman. I think Batman would adjust mid fight to Bane’s power. I know Bane claims to own the shadows but Bruce is Ra’s’ greatest student. If these two met I really see Batman being surprised by Bane’s abilities, but not overcome by them.

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As in Knightfall, Bane took on a weakened Batman.

 

[Ravage]

I think Alfred clearly stated that Bane was more dangerous than him.

Besides, no matter what the fanboys plead, there was a reason the guy was wearing a mask. Else he'd just train to his best and beat Bane without destroying his gas mask.

 

[Alienous]

Sure, a 6 foot man that weighs 180 lbs. He may be slender but he isnt a skeleton.
Let me put it like this. For a man, any man to pull another man up the way Bruce Wayne did in BB is impossible. Especially dead weight.

And I suppose lifting (not above your head, but lifting anyway) a car (let's assume weighs 4,000lbs) is also impossible? There are accounts, although you may dispute their legitimacy, of cars being lifted when the lifter is under the influence of adrenaline. You'd likely tear your muscles to shreds, but you would get the job done because you have to.

 

[Pwz414]

Alfred said: “That was then”, “You can strap up your leg and put you mask back on, but that doesn’t make you what you were”, “You’re not the Batman anymore”… All references to his current state. Not what he was 8 years earlier. He is saying Bruce isn’t a match for Bane, not Batman. Alfred is one of the few who understand we don’t really see Batman until the end of the movie.

Saw the movie for the fifth time. Second fight is over as soon as they lock up and Bane can’t move Batman’s fist. Batman strikes Bane atleast 8 times unanswered after Bane’s head butt to the chest. The final blow, either an elbow or the gauntlets, breaks the mask. At that point there is a bit of distance between them. Bats is keeping away throwing tentative ranged shots. Bane ***** with his mask for a moment but whew he realizes it’s futile he goes at Batman with all he has. Enraged and panicked like Batman was in the first fight, he lands couple shots, but most are blocked. He gets Batman against the pillar and throws his most fierce barrage of the movie. Batman blocks 5 or 6 shots and ducks the last two or three. Then he kicks the absolute **** out of Bane, landing about ten unanswered shots, while dodging Bane’s, and he finishes with the front kick through the door. He then knocks out Talia’s body guard with one punch –note to everyone who thinks the 8 years didn’t matter, it was taking 3 punches to knock out Bane’s men on the roof-

Talia has this look on her face like: “So this is the man who defeated my father.”

I’m telling you, TDK Batman would have gotten amped fighting Bane. Oh and while fighting Bane, do you suppose he’d say to himself “I’m going to punch his armored body” instead of “I’m going to punch that apparatus on his face”? Batman went after the mask THREE times in the first fight, he just wasn’t strong enough to break it or take it off. You guys are silly to think Batman wouldn’t get to the mask in his prime.

 

[Greens]

He also didn't know the purpose of the mask until he was thrown into the pit. He knows the mask is fatal during the second fight.

 

[Pwz414]

What a persuasive argument. I stated one thing, you responded to the contrary. Now I see that you are right.

Oh wait - - no, there actually are people who lift 250 pound dumbells with one hand, in the world's strongest man competitions. Given that Ra's is certainly not 250 pounds, and more like 180, and given that Bruce was fueled by adrenaline as well as taxed by the effort to the limits of his strength, and given that Batman in the comics is often portrayed as being at peak human strength and agility... I'd say it isn't impossible. Difficult, but not impossible.

The question isn't just the curl though. It's also the grip strength required to hold Ra's limp hand. He had to stop several times Ra's’ weight because his body had begun to free fall. Go find a scale and jump an inch or two off it. Even a 50lb child can top out a 300lbs scale by jumping a foot up and landing on it. A world class power lifter might lift 220lb like that if the lift were set up for them, but with at least 50% more body mass than Bruce, and certainly not while sliding off a mountain. I think that move was borderline superhuman and purposefully so to show us where Bruce’s training and will had taken him. To the peak of human ability. Where, um, Bane is…

 

[Pwz414]

He also didn't know the purpose of the mask until he was thrown into the pit. He knows the mask is fatal during the second fight.

Regardless of whether he knows what will happen, he went after it three times. If you were fighting someone who was wearing an oxygen mask and they were kicking your ass, would you punch their body armor? Yeah, but we know what an oxygen mask is and Bruce didn’t know what the mask was, blah blah blah. A mask over the airway of a human being, the most vital of all lifelines to the human body. Nah, that thing isn't important:/

Even the CIA *****e senses its significance: "If I pull that off will you die?"

Batman, the world’s greatest detective and martial artist, would have no idea a mask covering the airway of an opponent, whilst administering some kind of gas, could be a weakness to exploit or an advantage to be stripped. Come on guys:/

What I'm hearing is that Bane is just too powerful and Bats could never beat him without losing first. So Batman has to lose to his oponents before he can beat them:/

You think Bruce won the second fight because he knew about the mask... Wrong, he won the second fight because he was The God Damn Batman.

 

[piccolo]

Batman was almost even with Bane in the second fight, even before he damaged the mask. Bane was still winning, but it was very competitive unlike the first time. And this was Bruce 5 months after being literally so crippled he couldn't stand, and 8 years out of his prime.

People cite age, rust, and overconfidence because they are tangible factors affecting performance. They aren't metaphors. Not to mention the host of injuries to his body slowing him down. He was about as bad off as he was in the comics against Bane, substituting fatigue for all the things mentioned + injury. All that scar tissue? No cartilage in either knee?

BB/TDK Batman would defeat Bane IMO. To say otherwise is disregarding how competitive their 2nd battle was.

He fared better in the movie than in the corresponding fight in Knightfall. At least in the movie he got in a few punches.

I thought Bane was allowing him to hit him, to demonstrate how futile it was. Once he decided he wanted to start attacking Bruce couldn't land a hit.

 

[itchynscratchy]

Batman would win if the judges from the pacquiao-bradley fight had scored it. Yes, bane landed more power punches but the judges would score more points for batman because he'd feared dying thus making him faster, stronger,better and would win based on that assumption.

 

[Ravage]

Some very random point people got there (Boxing? Seriously?) but Bane was designed purely to kick Batman's as* in melee combat. He is the main reason why comic Batman stops and fetches an extra smoke bomb and batarangs before stepping out. Bane can win in any condition. Only possible solution for Batman to win is to expose weakness or get lucky. The hero factor.

 

[The Batman]

*Looks at poll results*

Never stop overrating Bane, SHH!

Lol.

ChrisBaleBats said it best. In no version of Batman has Bane been able to defeat Bruce without Bruce having some kind of handicap. People constantly forget this though.

 

[The Batman]

Some very random point people got there (Boxing? Seriously?) but Bane was designed purely to kick Batman's as* in melee combat. He is the main reason why comic Batman stops and fetches an extra smoke bomb and batarangs before stepping out. Bane can win in any condition. Only possible solution for Batman to win is to expose weakness or get lucky. The hero factor.

....Except there's a comic Book where a non venom Bane faced Batman and LOST.

Comic Batman fetches that stuff because Bane is usually hopped up on Venom, making Bane superhumanly strong.

If Selina Kyle doesn't come back Bane blows Bruce's brains out. Just saying...

If Talia isn't there, Batman lets Bane die in agonizing pain. Just saying.

 

[Revenant]

He did not have "the strength to deal out blows that could damage Bane's mask" the second time.

The way he damages Bane's mask in the film is by hooking his bladed wrist-fins on it and ripping downward. It is a fast but clear moment in the film... very obviously NOT a punch. This also continues the running theme of him defeating the bad guy with his arm-blades (destroying Ras sword in BB, shooting them into Joker in TDK, and damaging Bane's mask in TDKR).

Watch again, he damages his mask with a blow as well as hooking with the fins.

 

[Revenant]

....Except there's a comic Book where a non venom Bane faced Batman and LOST.

This ^^

Comic Batman fetches that stuff because Bane is usually hopped up on Venom, making Bane superhumanly strong.


This ^^

If Talia isn't there, Batman lets Bane die in agonizing pain. Just saying.

And this ^^

 

[The Batman]

I really don't understand where people got this idea that Bane can beat Batman at anything and anytime.

The closest thing we've seen to that idea is this movie...and even then, old and busted Bats beat Bane once Bruce got over his deathwish.

Even Ras has whooped Bane's ass in the comics.

 

[piccolo]

If Bane was supposed to be Batman's combat superior, he wouldn't have been introduced by weakening him to the point of near-collapse in the comics. And that was with strength-enhancing venom.

Bane is a physical monster but street-level heroes overcome those with superior skill and determination all the time. The point to Bane is that he's a physical specimen who also possesses a genius strategic mind. And TDKR Bane was just that. His demolition of Batman in the first fight is easily explained by things other than "he's supposed to be better".

In a fair fight with prime Batman Bane would go down. All of the circumstances around Knightfall and TDKR are supposed to make Bane more dangerous that just a guy who could corner Bruce and beat the crap out of him anytime he pleased. And they do.

And I do remember a punch disconnecting one of Bane's tubes in the movie.

 

[The Batman]

If Bane was supposed to be Batman's combat superior, he wouldn't have been introduced by weakening him to the point of near-collapse in the comics. And that was with strength-enhancing venom.

Bane is a physical monster but street-level heroes overcome those with superior skill and determination all the time. The point to Bane is that he's a physical specimen who also possesses a genius strategic mind. And TDKR Bane was just that. His demolition of Batman in the first fight is easily explained by things other than "he's supposed to be better".

In a fair fight with prime Batman Bane would go down. All of the circumstances around Knightfall and TDKR are supposed to make Bane more dangerous that just a guy who could corner Bruce and beat the crap out of him anytime he pleased. And they do.

And I do remember a punch disconnecting one of Bane's tubes in the movie.

This guy gets it.

Bane was never supposed to be legitimately better than Batman. The movies and comics go out of their way to show you this, but some fans just don't realize it.

 

[uniqueweasel]

If Bane was supposed to be Batman's combat superior, he wouldn't have been introduced by weakening him to the point of near-collapse in the comics. And that was with strength-enhancing venom.

Bane is a physical monster but street-level heroes overcome those with superior skill and determination all the time. The point to Bane is that he's a physical specimen who also possesses a genius strategic mind. And TDKR Bane was just that. His demolition of Batman in the first fight is easily explained by things other than "he's supposed to be better".

In a fair fight with prime Batman Bane would go down. All of the circumstances around Knightfall and TDKR are supposed to make Bane more dangerous that just a guy who could corner Bruce and beat the crap out of him anytime he pleased. And they do.

And I do remember a punch disconnecting one of Bane's tubes in the movie.

You can present every plausable argument to these guys and they still go on about rage, Batman only winning due to breaking the mask. The way I try to see it that with the mask or without in a normal fight you would target the face and whether you hit an air providing mask or a bare jaw its still gonna do damage to the air supply or knock them out if its a bare jaw. And I agree Bane fights always with advantages. When he had none of these to rely on in the final fight, look what happens!

 

[Alfreds Butler]

How I see it is unless you could get Bane from before he was near beaten to death vs Bruce while he was locked up that would be the only fair fight cos neither has handicaps so to say, but even then you can complain cos neither had been fully trained either. I vote Bats just because in the initial fight Bane has the advantage not talking age but has the mask knows all his techniques and was ready for him, were as Bats does not know about his mask. Where as in the second fight Bats is prepared they both know each others weakness and have fought before Bats is even in day light also. Its like two fighters who both choose their weapons Bane's is his mask which gives his body an advantage and Bats has his gauntlets and the end fight ends with Bats victorious. Before you all say but Bane had no choice he needs the mask I realise that but it's like I said at beginning you could never know in a fair fight cos of Bane's mask with it serving as advantage and disadvantage. All we can do is see who wins out in the end and that was THE BATMAN using what he has got against what Bane has got

 

[Mr.Smiley]

If you're using the characterization from Knightfall and other famous Bane comics then NO he would not win a one on one against Batman/ In Knightfall as we all know he refused to fight Batman one on one until he was completely exhausted.

And in Rises, he waited 8 years... to comfront Batman. That a hell of a long time to take down one guy. Seeing as how Ras was killed in the first movie. Had Talia and Bane wanted too they could have struck immediately to avenge Ras, but waiting damn near a decade. I see this as out of respect for Bats.

ALSO when Bane and Batman meet in the sewers for fight one, it still wasn't one on one. Bane had all of his goons strapped watching over the fight, almost if to say "just in case I do loose" I still have my back up to make up for my slack

 

[Superboy-Prime]

The question isn't just the curl though. It's also the grip strength required to hold Ra's limp hand. He had to stop several times Ra's’ weight because his body had begun to free fall. Go find a scale and jump an inch or two off it. Even a 50lb child can top out a 300lbs scale by jumping a foot up and landing on it. A world class power lifter might lift 220lb like that if the lift were set up for them, but with at least 50% more body mass than Bruce, and certainly not while sliding off a mountain. I think that move was borderline superhuman and purposefully so to show us where Bruce’s training and will had taken him. To the peak of human ability. Where, um, Bane is…

I think it is possible. I do BJJ and have done for a few years now and I have fought people who would grab onto my wrist and I can feel my bones bend.

Judoka's also have extremely great strength when it comes to grips.

He would have broken his arm though, but then the human body can withstand mass amounts of pain. Bruce's arm would have been hyper extended and his ligaments and tendons would have been ripped and snapped. Here is an example or someone having their arm in the same position but lasting.

 

[Big Green]

And in Rises, he waited 8 years... to comfront Batman. That a hell of a long time to take down one guy. Seeing as how Ras was killed in the first movie. Had Talia and Bane wanted too they could have struck immediately to avenge Ras, but waiting damn near a decade. I see this as out of respect for Bats

Cause it's "the slow knife, that cuts the deepest". Lol

You guys are right about the fight, but I still think IF the mask doesn't get damaged, Bats runs out of gas in a longer fight.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Seriously, some people in here are in denial. Bane was superior to Batman in every way. Show me where Bruce Wayne was just as powerful, explosive, athletic and agile as Bane (from Begins and Knight). You can't. A prime Batman still would have fallen to Bane in their first go-around. Nolan's Bane feels no pain and is quite skilled in hand-to-hand combat. He's not the Bane from the comics. You folks need to come to grips with that.