Transformers How much can you they change??

[big D Evil]

If you change everything about a beloved character, his looks, personality, and origin, is he still the same character?

This question was asked on http://gojistomp.org/essays/gino98gb.htm regarding the 1998 godzilla.
I repeat the question here.
How much can they change? For the record Prime is not all bad and I reserve Judgement on Ironhide, Jazz and Ratchet but what about the rest of the characters? Can Megatron and Starscream even be considered the same characters? According to the script they have no personality traits that they originally had in the comics or cartoon (aside from being evil) and they certainly arent recognizable.

 

[roach]

I didnt have a problem with the Godzilla98 design. To me it was a little more believeable than the "thunderthighs" man in suit that they use. What made the movie suck for me was the story.

and again you are reading an old script

 

[Fried Gold]

Can someone change the thread title? It sickens me.

 

[Fried Gold]

Can someone change the thread title? It sickens me.

 

[Fried Gold]

Heh... double post.

 

[big D Evil]

Can someone change the thread title? It sickens me.

No seriously I am just wondering at what point the characters become different characters... Godzilla may not have looked like Godzilla but it could have at least acted like Godzilla. When you change the looks and storyline and the way they act why not just have them be a different character?

 

[CherryRedSpider]

Think he meant the grammar of the thread title big D. With the you and the they.

 

[Fried Gold]

No seriously I am just wondering at what point the characters become different characters... Godzilla may not have looked like Godzilla but it could have at least acted like Godzilla. When you change the looks and storyline and the way they act why not just have them be a different character?

Okay, but 'How much can you they change??' still makes no sense.

 

[big D Evil]

Okay, but 'How much can you they change??' still makes no sense.

Haha! Sorry! I originally had it as YOU and then I tried to change it to THEY since none of us are the people actually changing anything...
Unless some of us are Murphy or Bay Incognito.

 

[big D Evil]

Double post

 

[Boiiinng]

If Starscream isn't berated by Megatron at every idea he comes up with then to me Starscream is lost. That was his thing, trying to be better than the boss, but never really making it. The thing is, with Megatron only appearing at the end, the whole good "group" of transformers and bad "group" of transformers is lost, because the bad guys will just seem like a band of misfits, not an actual faction that the Autobots are racing against.

 

[big D Evil]

If Starscream isn't berated by Megatron at every idea he comes up with then to me Starscream is lost. That was his thing, trying to be better than the boss, but never really making it. The thing is, with Megatron only appearing at the end, the whole good "group" of transformers and bad "group" of transformers is lost, because the bad guys will just seem like a band of misfits, not an actual faction that the Autobots are racing against.

the script that was leaked had hardly any dialogue between Megs and SS. I really hope that changes in the final draft..... I REALLY hope the leaked script wasnt the final draft!

 

[roach]

the script that was leaked had hardly any dialogue between Megs and SS. I really hope that changes in the final draft..... I REALLY hope the leaked script wasnt the final draft!

the screenwriters said that their dynamic is kept alive during the Yahoo chat

 

[big D Evil]

the screenwriters said that their dynamic is kept alive during the Yahoo chat

So megatron and starscream talk to each other over yahoo chat??? lol! Lame and yet somehow not surprising...

 

[roach]

So megatron and starscream talk to each other over yahoo chat??? lol! Lame and yet somehow not surprising...

sigh....No The screenwriters did an online chat at Yahoo where they talked with the fans...someone brought up the Megatron/Starscream dynamic and they mentioned that it was in the movie. Try looking for it on Yahoo. It was very informative

 

[CherryRedSpider]

big D, There was a Q and A after the Name Release back in August

http://www.superherohype.com/news/transformersnews.php?id=4650

I'm guessing you didn't see it. Click Yahoo Movies on the SHH link. It should work.

Edit- it's around 35 minutes

 

[xwolverine2]

i welcome change to things that should be changed for the sake of a good movie

 

[CFlash]

I didnt have a problem with the Godzilla98 design. To me it was a little more believeable than the "thunderthighs" man in suit that they use. What made the movie suck for me was the story.

and again you are reading an old script

I didn't have much of a problem with the design either. In fact I liked it a lot. However, it is very sad that TOHO had to fight to put the dorsal plates on his back. In fact, they fought with the movies creators throughout about mainting his iconic elements.

What I did have a problem with was him running like a p*ssy. Whining about bullets. And his refusal to use his nuclear blast for some reason. Oh wait... he didn't have the ability? Maybe that's what I hated the most. Oh yeah, and the Madison Square Garden scene is one of the worst pieces of derivative, unbelievable, unintentially funny, and just horrendous trash every put on celluloid.

I also had a problem that NOT ONCE was I scared. And, I live in New York City. 9/11 made that movie almost insulting (like when he burrows through the MetLife building and its still standing.... lol... what a god-aweful movie!!!). The lousiest, low-budgedest, Japanese B-movie Godzilla is more scary.

 

[big D Evil]

Yeah Godzilla running away just didnt cut it.
My son was just a little guy when it came out and he was PISSED. He kept asking nme during zilla 98 why godzilla was running away!

I posted this on another thread but in case anyone missed it:

LORD OF THE RINGS is structurally very, very different from the books. But there's nothing to stop you retaining the spirit. You end up in a situation where people feel they've seen a faithful adaptation, which in some respects, if you really analyze word by word, it's not faithful at all depending on what your definition of faithful is. LORD OF THE RINGS was incredibly different from the books, but it's regarded as being very, very faithful when they're actually not. But they did capture the spirit and the tone of Tolkien, which was very important to us.

It's from an aint it cool news interview with peter jackson

 

[roach]

But they did capture the spirit and the tone of Tolkien, which was very important to us.

when did you know this movie captured the spirit and tone of tolkien?????

 

[big D Evil]

when did you know this movie captured the spirit and tone of tolkien?????

When the script resembled the books and the characters were recognizable. t:

 

[roach]

When the script resembled the books and the characters were recognizable. t:

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

 

[CFlash]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

I'm not a fan of LOTR (I'm more of an Ursula Leguin sort of person), but my fiance is a huge LOTR fan and she says the movies were spot-on.

 

[roach]

I'm not a fan of LOTR (I'm more of an Ursula Leguin sort of person), but my fiance is a huge LOTR fan and she says the movies were spot-on.

i read the books before the movies came out....
...the point I was trying to make is that a lot of people didnt know how faithful the movies were gonna be until they saw the movies.....did they see a pic of Aragon or Gimli and decide the movie was gonna be good or not?????

 

[bunk]

Heh... double post.

I prefer double entry...no, wait!