World How to make the spiderman web shooters.

[Spectacular23]

For the safety of our younger site viewers, I have taken the formula out of the web page (no pun intended) so that if one does have the money to try this, that they won't try this formula thinking that is strong enough to support weight. While it might be strong, it might not be strong enough. If you are one of the known site individuals like Thebatsam, Stanleewannabe, Spectacular23, and JMA610, please delete or modify the ingredients in the post as to avoid our more ambitious youngsters trying this at home. Feel free to save it with you though. I trust you guys.

Also, for you younger children who absolutely must have this formula, feel free to contact me in a private message and I will make sure that you are ready for this kind of thing.

Finally, those on this website who know the current formula and designs for a web shooter, use at your own risk. We are not responsible for injuries sustained by trying to replicate our work. If you are a child, do not proceed without the guidance of a parent. Do not make if you are nursing, pregnant, or maybe become pregnant. Webbing fluid contains substances known to cause cancer in California (but realistically, why does only California think that?) . I only say all this because I feel we are close to finishing the research portion and are moving into design phase. I do not want to be sued because you wanted to sling webs and ended up with a sling. Thank you and enjoy your prototyping.

yeah kids web shooters are for grown-ups only!! Huge nono

But thanks white widow

 

[White_widow]

Well, it's a shame that we can't get the acetone to evaporate after it exits the shooter near instantly. It should be a solid within seconds to use. As for the pressurized cartridge, it would have a weak point, or a seal that would be punctured by a hollow needle that would lead to a valve. The entrance to the valve would be air tight (probably through threaded seals or specifically shaped materials with a rubber seal).

and thanks for the comment Spectacular23.

 

[Spectacular23]

One thing I'm also unsure about, how are you guys planning to release the fluid from the cartridge once inserted? will it be pierced somehow by the containment unit? My brain is probably just not working now and its probably really simple. But how will you get the fluid from a sealed container out of the valve just by inserting it?

Well idk about JMA or white widow but in my shooter design i simply have a spike break the seal off the web fluid cartridge once inserted into the main component of the shooter. I drew up some sketches today it's pretty sloppy since i was doing it in class today. But in order for it to show i might have to darken it with a pen. But that how the seal will be broken in my shooter. Also if you don't know my design will be slightly simlar to the 90's design also with some similar design built into it from the spectacular spiderman series. (2008)

 

[Spectacular23]

Well, it's a shame that we can't get the acetone to evaporate after it exits the shooter near instantly. It should be a solid within seconds to use. As for the pressurized cartridge, it would have a weak point, or a seal that would be punctured by a hollow needle that would lead to a valve. The entrance to the valve would be air tight (probably through threaded seals or specifically shaped materials with a rubber seal).

and thanks for the comment Spectacular23.

No problem . Yeah well the entrance have to be airtight unless wouldn't the fluid loose it's property? Or strength?

 

[thebatsam]

Well, it's a shame that we can't get the acetone to evaporate after it exits the shooter near instantly. It should be a solid within seconds to use. As for the pressurized cartridge, it would have a weak point, or a seal that would be punctured by a hollow needle that would lead to a valve. The entrance to the valve would be air tight (probably through threaded seals or specifically shaped materials with a rubber seal).

and thanks for the comment Spectacular23.

So what is it you would want the acetone to do? Obviously it would have to be a liquid when in the cartridge otherwise it would be a terrible solvent. Do you want it to evaporate into the air as it leaves the spinneret?

Was looking around and found this
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-11292007-172805/unrestricted/Chapter5.pdf
This paper talks about how the carbon dioxide and acetone mixture is a better solvent together than acetone is separately. There's a lot filler in it, so have a skim. But this is something we may want to consider implementing.

 

[White_widow]

The seal would be air tight so when you jammed your cartridge into place, the fluid wouldn't leak out into your shooter and causing property damage. The fluid wouldn't lose any properties with exposure to air.

The Solvent is used to keep the formula in liquid form. It has natural thixotropic properties, so once the liquid is compressed, it will be near solid anyway. The only issue by that point, is that it has to flow like it did going into the cartridge. Also, yes. It would be ideal if the acetone would evaporate the second the fluid left the shooter.

 

[thebatsam]

Well then in theory if we could get the valve to release our fluid at a high enough pressure the boiling point would lower to below room temperature causing the acetone to evaporate as it comes into contact with the air.

 

[White_widow]

If that is true then problem solved.That's what I thought at first, but my debating issue is temperature. CO2 will freeze as it comes out of the shooter. Will the acetone leave as a gas before freezing or will it condensate? Either way it will catch a criminal.

 

[Spectacular23]

The seal would be air tight so when you jammed your cartridge into place, the fluid wouldn't leak out into your shooter and causing property damage. The fluid wouldn't lose any properties with exposure to air.

The Solvent is used to keep the formula in liquid form. It has natural thixotropic properties, so once the liquid is compressed, it will be near solid anyway. The only issue by that point, is that it has to flow like it did going into the cartridge. Also, yes. It would be ideal if the acetone would evaporate the second the fluid left the shooter.

The seal would be air tight. So whenever the seal get pierced what happens to the fluid? Does it keep it's property? Also doesn't the fluid has a chain reaction whenever it is exposed to air so the property is changed. Also i read that if the fluid to be shear thinning it needs to like be near solid until forced out the nozzle, correct?

 

[Spectacular23]

If that is true then problem solved.That's what I thought at first, but my debating issue is temperature. CO2 will freeze as it comes out of the shooter. Will the acetone leave as a gas before freezing or will it condensate? Either way it will catch a criminal.

So basically either way the web fluid will stay the same?

 

[White_widow]

To answer both of those questions, it will expand once it leaves the shooter. The only change in the material is it's state of matter (whether solid, liquid, or gas). My only concern is the effect of CO2's temperature on the acetone when it could potentially be a gas.

 

[Spectacular23]

To answer both of those questions, it will expand once it leaves the shooter. The only change in the material is it's state of matter (whether solid, liquid, or gas). My only concern is the effect of CO2's temperature on the acetone when it could potentially be a gas.

Can't the shooter have a built in air regulator perhaps?

 

[White_widow]

Also doesn't the fluid has a chain reaction whenever it is exposed to air so the property is changed. Also i read that if the fluid to be shear thinning it needs to like be near solid until forced out the nozzle, correct?

No to both of these. The there is no chain reaction that occurs in fluid. The reason the article said that was because the shear thinning allows you to compress a paste and allow it to come out like a liquid instead of a paste. The reason it is near solid is becaused it is compressed with so much pressure that the liquid will almost become solid.

 

[JMA610]

Well, thats good news as far as the evaporating acetone. And would an air regulator be small enough to fit onto such a small device? If it does, I'll just use that for regulating my CO2. And I will for sure have the ingredients for the fluid by the end of the week.

 

[White_widow]

Sorry to bother you guys, but Spectacular23 and Jma610, would you mind removing any mentioning of the ingredients of the formula? That will complete the anti-sueing possibility.
JMA page 6
Spectacular 23: page 6
JMA page 8
JMA Page 9
I would really appreciate that.

 

[thebatsam]

Yeah I agree with white_widow, though it's very unlikely we should definitely cover all our asses in case anything goes south and ends up being out of our control.

Made some really rough notes a few days ago, was on campus so didn't have a scanner at the time.
They're really basic and it's all probably repeated stuff. But made a rough drawing of the first prototype and internal workings of the valve.
Also, I was doing some reading for one of my classes and we were looking at ballistics. I noticed that shotgun shells have the ability to contain about several thousand psi. They're made of a plastic casing and then coated of bronze. Don't know if anyone has though of a double coated cartridge with different material on top of another, but it's an idea I guess. May not be useful, but thought I'd throw it out there.

I apologise for the chicken scratch writing.

 

[White_widow]

WOW, I love it! My favorite is the portion containing the valve system. I may have found a modified system for reuseable cartridges that's still in this design stage. That's again on of those things that can be easily made and explained, so I don't want to put on in case more well off kids get on the site.

(Kids, I'm not trying to exclude you from this stuff, but it is REALLY easy to get hurt doing this. I almost gave myself third degree burns, did actually manage to cut my hand, and took some skin off due to adhesive power. While I also don't want parents to be angry at me, the biggest concern is that you don't get hurt.)

The Double layering is excellent save it be the liquification of metals.That's only because most metals have such high melting points that it's harder to find a base that won't melt when applied. I've toyed with the idea of polyethylene wrapped in PVC but I really love teflon coated steel/aluminum, except for the cap. I'm working on that. As for the shotgun blast, that is interesting. I'm still trying to figure out if that plastic just has a good impulse resistance or if it is a matter of tensile strength. For the cuff, stability really is key. Maybe the tire rubber might be a good idea. I know that some bike tires are made out of kevlar. Just a thought. I really appreciate the comments. They are well thought out.

Also, I spent some CO2 cartridges today for another experiment that I am performing. The height and width seem to correlate with the comic shooters, as ten spaced casings can fit around the wrist. I would renounce the flasks by this point without an extra coating of a stronger metal. Well guys, it is one step closer.

Also, JMA, I might have found a solution for your hinge problem. If you buy a hair clip, there are springs that are designed to tensionally squeeze things shut. Use one of those, a small metal rod and epoxy the rod to the steel, and you're in business (minus the fluid.)

 

[JMA610]

Great idea! But I already bought some tiny bronze hinges, which I will pop-rivet to the cuff. Then I'll add a simple latch. And I also finished hiding any formula ingredients. White widow is right, kids. If he got hurt that easily, imagine what could happen to you if you tried it and something went wrong? Until we make it child-safe (which may not happen, as the ingredients are still harmful to us), we will not make any of the formula publicly available.

 

[White_widow]

Okay, I think I just figured out the valve. Special thanks to JMA610 and Webb.

JMA's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59776011@N05/5466167277/



It's a disk with the spring in the cuff pushing on the disk. The outer part has a limiting portion that keeps the disk in place. The disk has a hole straight through it near the bottom. Push up on a lever, it fights the spring and lines up the needle and the hole in the disk (that is at the bottom). This is connected to a nozzle which can contain a spinnerette.

Thanks for the help JMA and WEBB!

 

[JMA610]

Your welcome! But explain again please. I'm not sure I fully understand.

 

[White_widow]

The cylinder has a spring in it. There is a nylon, or whatever polyamide plastic, disk with a hole going through it. The lever pushes the nylon disk up. The holes of the nylon disk, the cylinder and the syringe that punctures the cartridge.

 

[JMA610]

OOOOOOHHHHH.... So the disks will be interchangeable, and will be filled with the pressure and fluid? Or will a CO2 cartridge still be present? I'm for sure gonna start working with this design immediately, as it would work with my costume as well. Post something soon.

 

[White_widow]

No, no. The disks are not cartridges. the disks together create an easy to make valve.

 

[JMA610]

Oh, ok. I am currently drawing up designs for my own version of this webshooter type. I'm still sticking with the CO2 cartridges, just the fluid delivery system will be modified a bit. And I may make a different shape cuff as well.

 

[Spectacular23]

Hey guys, forgive me i know its been a few days but i had a heartbreak this week but im back, i have two sketches of the shooter and will post both versions as soon as i get to a scanner.