World How to make the spiderman web shooters.

Welcome, ~Spidey Fan~! The target is to make a real webshooter. Although I can't answer all of the questions, since I am a little new myself
 
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To White widow: No, I hadn't considered that. Please explain how that would work.
 
Thanks Symbiote-Man!
I guess that I'll wait for more folks to answer me the rest of the question, but when you say "real web shooter", you mean a web shooter that will be designed to be small, and yet strong enough to hold high amount of formulas and fire them, or do you mean an actual web shooter, including an actual formula that's similar to a spider web and that's strong enough to carry a man or two?
 
~SpideyFan~ said:
Thanks Symbiote-Man!
I guess that I'll wait for more folks to answer me the rest of the question, but when you say "real web shooter", you mean a web shooter that will be designed to be small, and yet strong enough to hold high amount of formulas and fire them, or do you mean an actual web shooter, including an actual formula that's similar to a spider web and that's strong enough to carry a man or two?
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Well, we are trying to make a mixture of both; the formula for the web to shoot out and solidify correctly, and a machine that would hold and shoot it. I know that I'm working on a glue gun web shooter. You should ask other "folks" about their designs too. I'm mostly working on a small device to shoot impact webbing, as it is for a costume.
 
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Symbiote-Man said:
Well, we are trying to make a mixture of both; the formula for the web to shoot out and solidify correctly, and a machine that would hold and shoot it. I know that I'm working on a glue gun web shooter. You should ask other "folks" about their designs too. I'm mostly working on a small device to shoot impact webbing, as it is for a costume.
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But the formula won't be able to hold a humans body. Or will it?
I don't get it, isn't it a project that everyone in this thread involved with?

I might give some help with the web shooter (and maybe a little with the formula), but first I need to know what exactly IS this project, cause I don't think that this is a "Join The Spider-Men Foundation And Become And Start Flying off of Buildings Using Our Secret Formula & Web Shooter" lol

If the idea is to make a fluid that will be solid when it's being fired, then I can contact a Chemistry Professor to help us with the chemicals.

Again, thanks for the answer =]

btw
What's the dangerous problem? too sticky/too hot?
 
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I'm too new to answer confidently. Please ask other users. Sorry about that!

Hot glue is not that dangerous, BTW.
 
~SpideyFan~ said:
But the formula won't be able to hold a humans body. Or will it?
I don't get it, isn't it a project that everyone in this thread involved with?

I might give some help with the web shooter (and maybe a little with the formula), but first I need to know what exactly IS this project, cause I don't think that this is a "Join The Spider-Men Foundation And Become And Start Flying off of Buildings Using Our Secret Formula & Web Shooter" lol

If the idea is to make a fluid that will be solid when it's being fired, then I can contact a Chemistry Professor to help us with the chemicals.

Again, thanks for the answer =]

btw
What's the dangerous problem? too sticky/too hot?
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Ok buddy one question at a time. No we are not trying to become spider-man. We each have a purpose for creating the shooters. white widow has his i have mines and JMA610 has his. We are just trying to create this device for fun. We need nobody getting hurt. So plz use precautions!!!!!
 
Spectacular23 said:
Ok buddy one question at a time. No we are not trying to become spider-man. We each have a purpose for creating the shooters. white widow has his i have mines and JMA610 has his. We are just trying to create this device for fun. We need nobody getting hurt. So plz use precautions!!!!!
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I just asked so I can start thinking about a solution ^^
And if it is for show (and a lot of fun) only, then why do you try to make a web fluid? You can buy one from hasbro and fill your cartridges with it. And if you want something that turns from fluid to solid and doesn't have to be kept in a high (his heating) temperature, then why won't you use super glues? Become solid when touching the air (as far as I know)
 
Wow, these were all posted within an hour... Alright let me catch you up to speed.

1.)The purpose of this forum is to create a wrist mounted projectile launcher and a coordinating liquid.

2.) Each person should have a design that is unique to them and serve their purpose. For me personally, I want to modify the military sticky foam formulation to create solid structures to encapsulate criminals by the pairs. JMA is making his for a costume, and I'm not sure what Spectacular is making them for. Symbiote-man wants a prop, but out of our ideas, his is the most realistic.

3.) We have a web fluid, but it has not been tested because I'm too lazy to buy the materials and because I need to make a shooter first.

4.) Theoretically the fluid could hold up to about 4000 psi however since we would be using a surfactant, and a strand would be about 1/8 inch thick, it would be significantly lowered without a little chemistry magic and a simple machine that again, I am too lazy to make.

5.) We could not fill cartridges with it because the forcing through a small nozzle would make the liquid into a foam the second it moves from can A to can B. Theoretically it could work, but one can would need a complete vacuum.

6.) Super glue, or Cyanoacrylate becomes hard in the presence of moisture because it uses hydroxide to polymerize. Unfortunately in your case, it would require a super fast catalyst. While the air does harden the glue, water does it quickly.

7.) It would not be like a spiderweb, as actual spiderweb is not biodegradable and is not easy enough to recreate. While anyone can get fibroin, it is near impossible to liquify without a dangerous acid (available in some sink cleaners) or radiation. Even if we used some draino to liquify some fibroin, the only glue that could hold weight (this being Cyanoacrylate) does not react when in the contact of acids.

8.) For Symbiote-man: A piston is a disk that forces a substance through a cylinder using pressure.

9.)Welcome to the forum. I hope I answered all of your questions.
 
White widow:
Nice! So I would use pressure to force the gluestick though the nozzle! The first think I can think of would be an explosion, but that I wouldn't like to have on my arm. Others are air, water...
Definitly a good idea!

Also, I could use a motor to push the gluestick in, instead of pulling it. The opposite of how a car's wheels are turned! Instead of linier motion turning something circular, it will be the other way around. Your mentioning a piston made me think of that!
 
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White_widow said:
Wow, these were all posted within an hour... Alright let me catch you up to speed.

1.)The purpose of this forum is to create a wrist mounted projectile launcher and a coordinating liquid.

2.) Each person should have a design that is unique to them and serve their purpose. For me personally, I want to modify the military sticky foam formulation to create solid structures to encapsulate criminals by the pairs. JMA is making his for a costume, and I'm not sure what Spectacular is making them for. Symbiote-man wants a prop, but out of our ideas, his is the most realistic.

3.) We have a web fluid, but it has not been tested because I'm too lazy to buy the materials and because I need to make a shooter first.

4.) Theoretically the fluid could hold up to about 4000 psi however since we would be using a surfactant, and a strand would be about 1/8 inch thick, it would be significantly lowered without a little chemistry magic and a simple machine that again, I am too lazy to make.

5.) We could not fill cartridges with it because the forcing through a small nozzle would make the liquid into a foam the second it moves from can A to can B. Theoretically it could work, but one can would need a complete vacuum.

6.) Super glue, or Cyanoacrylate becomes hard in the presence of moisture because it uses hydroxide to polymerize. Unfortunately in your case, it would require a super fast catalyst. While the air does harden the glue, water does it quickly.

7.) It would not be like a spiderweb, as actual spiderweb is not biodegradable and is not easy enough to recreate. While anyone can get fibroin, it is near impossible to liquify without a dangerous acid (available in some sink cleaners) or radiation. Even if we used some draino to liquify some fibroin, the only glue that could hold weight (this being Cyanoacrylate) does not react when in the contact of acids.

8.) For Symbiote-man: A piston is a disk that forces a substance through a cylinder using pressure.

9.)Welcome to the forum. I hope I answered all of your questions.
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So I get it... you're the mysterious outstanding smart chief, right? :cwink:
The fluid is now the main interest, and the web shooter is designed like in the other thread, true?
Where can I find the chemicals of the fluid? And does it a smaller version of the Hasbro web fluid, or a whole new thing?

Man, your knowledge is really outstanding!
 
Awww.., Thank you! I appreciate that.The fluid has been designed on paper chemically, and the shooters are the current focus.

Which is "the other thread?" There are about seven in my favorites file.., so I have no idea.

The chemicals are easy to obtain as they are not acually chemicals, except for acetone, which acts as a solvent. I'd like to get my hands on some dmso to use as a solvent on stronger materials, but acetone works fine because it's low melting point. I am not freely giving the ingredient list away, just because there is the mentality that if it's a web fluid, it should hold my weight and this forum getting sued under accidents. If you want it, I would need a PM stating your age (must be over fifteen)and the promise not to sue. It is not silly string. It is a chemically altered plastic that is kept in liquid form via acetone. The only similarity is that I will try to use a surfactant to make it foam.
 
The formula to determine if you can swing on the webline is easy to calculate if you all want to try it.

Net Force = Force of gravity + Force applied= m (v squared/r) + mg

where:
m is mass in kilograms
v is velocity or speed in swinging in meters/second
r is the length web line in meters
g is gravity's constant or 9.8 m/s squared

From there you take the number and that is the force it puts on the web line. convert this into a pressure containing newtons and convert your tensile strength into the same pressure and that is how you can determine if your webline is able to hold your weight while swinging.

For other physics questions, please refer to this website or feel free to contact me: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/

For anyone interested in chemistry:
http://www.chem1.com/chemed/genchem.shtml#B1
http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/virtualtextbook.html
 
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White widow, I really like the idea! Instead of an air compressor, which might be to big, I think I'll use a can of air. I see those all over the place. To clean out keyboards, in tight spaces, all sorts of stuff. I'll hide a couple on my back, and just turn a valve on my wrist on and presto! It's web time!
 
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yeah.., Air compressors are very cumbersome. Well there is a lego one but that doesn't provide what you need.
 
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Hey guys, I know I'm mostly a spidey guy, but I found one other character, A DC character named RED X, who I kind of think without powers could actually beat spidey hands down without any powers. He is like some stange cross between spiderman 2099 and batman.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=4Y59M6F9

From 19:23- 20:20 Red X proves how acrobatics and technology can work to take down a group of each individual. If you saw the part with the treky and the brit, that was like webbing. Just thought I'd share that with you guys.
 
White_widow said:
Awww.., Thank you! I appreciate that.The fluid has been designed on paper chemically, and the shooters are the current focus.

Which is "the other thread?" There are about seven in my favorites file.., so I have no idea.

The chemicals are easy to obtain as they are not acually chemicals, except for acetone, which acts as a solvent. I'd like to get my hands on some dmso to use as a solvent on stronger materials, but acetone works fine because it's low melting point. I am not freely giving the ingredient list away, just because there is the mentality that if it's a web fluid, it should hold my weight and this forum getting sued under accidents. If you want it, I would need a PM stating your age (must be over fifteen)and the promise not to sue. It is not silly string. It is a chemically altered plastic that is kept in liquid form via acetone. The only similarity is that I will try to use a surfactant to make it foam.
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I do want it, I'll send you a PM soon.
You sounds like you really know the stuff, what exactly do you do for living? From where did you learn those stuff?

Don't get me wrong, I don't say that you're a nerd, I'm learning extended Biology and soon also extended Chemistry myself, but jeez, how do you remember all the names? I have to read those names like 50 times before I remember them (well, at least the biggest and not repetitive part of them) :doh:.

I don't think that it will hold your weight man, relax :yay:.
But, I am interested to know-did you ever tried to work with the dragline silk and proteins? 'Cause it seems like you really want to. Ever heard of Shmulik Ittah?
http://www.spidersilktech.com/
http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/622785/Shmulik_Ittah
 
My new designs are almost done! Now... how to hide two somewhat large cans... :huh:

(My most challenging problem!!!)
 
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Wow! I'm amazed how another page or 2 can just spring up over night! You guys have some great ideas. Thanks, WW, for the swinging formula. I was trying to figure it out, but didn't have time to. I knew it had something to do with gravitational force and velocity in relation to the amount of webbing, though.

So I've got big news! I figured out my official shooter design! I will only reveal the cartridges for now, as they are the trickiest part of this design. I will take some empty CO2 cartridges, have the fluid put in 3/4 of the cartridge, and have it pressurized with oxygen or nitrus oxide, or laughing gas, as it is non-combustable and a very good propellent.

Let me know what you think!
 
I've heard of his work, and I believe it's what inspired the goat milk engineering system, but I didn't know the names of the researcher. That's pretty cool. I would like to work with fibroin, but I do not have equipment. I learned most of my science from high school courses. I'm taking physics now. The rest is just internet research.

As for symbiote-man I might have two solutions for you.

bloodspider2.jpg
The blood spider has a tank attatched to his back.
__Spiderman___Mangaverse_by_el_kenshin.jpg
and this spiderman has a back pack.
 
JMA610 said:
Wow! I'm amazed how another page or 2 can just spring up over night! You guys have some great ideas. Thanks, WW, for the swinging formula. I was trying to figure it out, but didn't have time to. I knew it had something to do with gravitational force and velocity in relation to the amount of webbing, though.

So I've got big news! I figured out my official shooter design! I will only reveal the cartridges for now, as they are the trickiest part of this design. I will take some empty CO2 cartridges, have the fluid put in 3/4 of the cartridge, and have it pressurized with oxygen or nitrus oxide, or laughing gas, as it is non-combustable and a very good propellent.

Let me know what you think!
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I would say that everything so far is good, but the only issue I have is with the propellents. Nitrous oxide will make you high and enough exposure can damage your health over time, not to mention that oxygen is highly combustable. Also, where would you get that stuff? I'm pretty sure that, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you need a doctor's note to get a tank. I would suggest using helium. It's completely non reactive and incombustable due to the fact that it is in the noble gases list.
 
White_widow said:
I've heard of his work, and I believe it's what inspired the goat milk engineering system, but I didn't know the names of the researcher. That's pretty cool. I would like to work with fibroin, but I do not have equipment. I learned most of my science from high school courses. I'm taking physics now. The rest is just internet research.
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Man, you're high school rocks :X
Mine doesn't teach us so far, but of course that's just my first year at high school, so I still have hope.

About the researcher: if you want, I can give you his personal e-mail, I'm sure that he'll be glad to meet such a brilliant man :) I'm talking with him since last year, and he helped me alot starting with my extended learning. Do you want his e-mail? I've just send him a request for giving it to you, I'm sure that he'll answer within 2-3 days :yay:
 
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