I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[TheSaintofKillers]

Harsh, especially when you haven't seen the finished product yet.

Question - has there been any other movie villains that have been changed as drastically as Doom has?

Nope. Never THAT much.

 

[Dragon]

I can think of one- Absorbing Man in the Hulk. And we see where that went.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I'm not sure if you people have read the reviews on aint-it-cool-news, but there's 3 of them.

Anyway, the first two agree Doom's a generic villain, and one even say this:

"Anyone who was *****ing about Doom not being the ruler of Latveria will be happy, or more likely annoyed to know there are a bunch of throw away references to the place, including the very end of the movie. Other people wont know what the **** it is, or why it is mentioned. For some reason Latveria loved Victor so much that they gave him this trophy, which is actually the stupid mask he puts on. Like Osborn he seems to have a mask fetish. Who knows why he needs a metal mask when we can he see his entire body is made of metal now. So vain he covers his face with what is under his face. "

"Eventually Victor Von Doom, becomes Dr. Doom. He must just keep a green cloak lying around the office. He comes up with the ingenious plan of freezing Mr. Fantastic, blowing up Johnny Storm, and turning the Thing back into Ben Grimm. Doom’s motive doesn’t really make much sense. He holds Reed responsible for what happened to him, both his transformation in to Metal man and the destruction of his company, but also seems happy with his new form and the power it gives him."

And the worst:

"You seen “Spider-man”? I didn’t know Green Goblin was going to be in this one too. Victor Von Doom is essentially the same character as Norman Osborn was in “Spider-man” minus the son. Same big giant company who’s investors are cutting out or backing out. Same taking revenge on them. Same power leading to total madness. The both have lame, useless helmets. There’s certainly nothing scary about Doom in the movie, where instead of guy who uses his genius to get the Fantastic Four, Doom uses Electro’s powers. "

Oh, and what did the guy who liked the movie had to say on Doom ? The worst thing of them all, even if he didn't know it:

"but he makes for a fun bad buy. Not scary, but fun."

GOOD LORD. HAHAHA. I'm sorry, but bwhahahaha. That's too much for me.

Doom a fun bad guy. NOT SCARY. But fun. I mean, wahahaha.

Ok, thx Fox. Anyone can still defend what they made to Doom. Really ? Anyone ?

A year ago, we learned they would change his whole origin. Later on, we learned they changed his look and his powers. Not too long ago, reading the book and the scripts, we learned they changed his whole personality, and now we learn he is not scary, but rather fun.

Wahaha. This... is too much. It's like they are re-inventing the book on how to salvage adaptations.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

People in here justified those useless and stupid changes by saying he might have seem too much like Vader (like being a lot like what is considered by many to be the greatest villain on screen is such a bad thing ?).

So, what did they do ? They made him a lot like the green goblin instead. You know, THE villain people have been the most vocal against in the last 5 years, the one people have been saying looks like a Ultraman villain reject ?

Yep, that one. From the best, to the worst.

Brilliant.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I can think of one- Absorbing Man in the Hulk. And we see where that went.

Well, no, absorbing man was closer. At least, they got his powers right. It's more important than just getting a name right, don't you think ?

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

This needs his own post. Because there is NO WAY anyone could ever defend Doom's adaption.

"A year ago, we learned they would change his whole origin. Later on, we learned they changed his look and his powers. Not too long ago, reading the book and the scripts, we learned they changed his whole personality, and now we learn he is not scary, but rather fun."

I'm quoting myself, heh.

But there is nothing anyone can say that can justified Doom's adaption. Nothing. Not even money, since he's turning into a "mediocre" villain. If i'm not mistaken, people usually prefer to see "astonishing villain" rather than mediocre one. No ?

Maybe i'm out of the loop.

 

[Dragon]

Well, no, absorbing man was closer. At least, they got his powers right. It's more important than just getting a name right, don't you think ?

They only got his powers right. He wasn't even Crusher Creel- he was a whole other person. And worse- he's not even a true Hulk supervillain. they'd tangled several times, but he's really a Thor villain.

Doom of course is worse because he's a more important villain than Absorbing Man. But the comparison is sound.

 

[Milkman95]

Man, this could be worse than I thought...........

The question is this - Would you rather have a high quality film that gets a fair amount of critical acclaim with average box office or a mediocre film that gets panned by critics and makes a ton of money?

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

They only got his powers right. He wasn't even Crusher Creel- he was a whole other person. And worse- he's not even a true Hulk supervillain. they'd tangled several times, but he's really a Thor villain.

Doom of course is worse because he's a more important villain than Absorbing Man. But the comparison is sound.

Ok, ok, Doom might win, but not by much. They got both his name right (that i'm still surprised) and his mask (which, of course, he wears just for fun in the movie, and then lose it. He's going to wear it for something like 10 minutes. Wow. Thanks Fox. Oh, and I won't go into why he's got no reason to wear a mask in the movie, hah! They probably told themself, let's throw in there the mask for the fans, they'll be happy. Really. Of course, it won't serve anything, but who cares, what matters, is that the fans think we care about them. And then, let's throw away the mask, to show the REAL face we created of Doom!).

Oh, and they got his color right! 3 things, that's immensely impressive for them.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Man, this could be worse than I thought...........

The question is this - Would you rather have a high quality film that gets a fair amount of critical acclaim with average box office or a mediocre film that gets panned by critics and makes a ton of money?

The question is hard too respond. I mean, a great movie or a mediocre one ? Which one would I take.

No, really.

And usually, big blockbuster movies who gets acclaim by the critics, does well (lord of the rings, batman begins, spider-man 2, x-men 2, etc).

They go hand in hand.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Regarding the toys and pics of movie Doom's look........
I have this book on "drawing comics the Marvel way"... I grew up studying and practicing everything in that book. Part of my style is based on all the styles and tips given in that book.
A major lesson in the book specifically teaches not to draw these heroes and villains skinny or realistic at all . Instead it specifically spells out in plain english that to not be ordinary, to do it the Marvel way, to stand out amongst the rest of them, the way to do it is to exaggerate the features, namely. the bulkiness. Do you want to know which character they used as an example? Well, one was Captain America, but the other one was .... yep, you guessed it, DR. DOOM! In fact, they drew an example of how NOT to draw him, and he looked skinny, not as skinny as movie Doom, but realistically skinny.. and then, they compared that wrong way with the right way.....BULKY. The book demonstrated how much more menacing a bulky Doom is as opposed to a "realistic" looking Doom. This fact alone proves how much Stan Lee, John Buscema, and not to mention Jack Kirby or even Steve Ditko they would really approve of this travesty... So that's just one more notch to add to how tue this production company is sticking to the source material....

 

[Vartha]

Dude, for one I had that book when I was young too. I even went to the Joe Kubert School with Greg Hidebrant as a teacher and the Kubert boys, along with Jim Balent all in the same class as students!
The thing with Doom is that he wears ARMOUR. If you go back and look at Victor before Doom, he is NOT big like Cap or ANY of the other Superheros or Villans. Armour is very bulky, I work at a Renaissance Faire and SEE armour all the time it makes anyone LOOK big.
What makes Doom big is his Armour not muscles. This is still an ORIGIN movie, they left the end of the movie open to where Doom will become the way we know him mentally, maybe they will add the armour in the next film, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Dude, for one I had that book when I was young too. I even went to the Joe Kubert School with Greg Hidebrant as a teacher and the Kubert boys, along with Jim Balent all in the same class as students!
The thing with Doom is that he wears ARMOUR. If you go back and look at Victor before Doom, he is NOT big like Cap or ANY of the other Superheros or Villans. Armour is very bulky, I work at a Renaissance Faire and SEE armour all the time it makes anyone LOOK big.
What makes Doom big is his Armour not muscles. This is still an ORIGIN movie, they left the end of the movie open to where Doom will become the way we know him mentally, maybe they will add the armour in the next film, we'll just have to wait and see.

"Let's do everything in our power to change him COMPLETELY, and have one of the most disappointing villain on screen since the green goblin. All for the greater good, since if there is ever a sequel, we might "get him more". At least we hope."

Brilliant way of thinking, fox.

Could the people in charge of such an atrocity in adapting the greatest villain on screen truly be trusted to make a better villain in the sequel ?

I doubt it.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Dude, for one I had that book when I was young too. I even went to the Joe Kubert School with Greg Hidebrant as a teacher and the Kubert boys, along with Jim Balent all in the same class as students!
The thing with Doom is that he wears ARMOUR. If you go back and look at Victor before Doom, he is NOT big like Cap or ANY of the other Superheros or Villans. Armour is very bulky, I work at a Renaissance Faire and SEE armour all the time it makes anyone LOOK big.
What makes Doom big is his Armour not muscles. This is still an ORIGIN movie, they left the end of the movie open to where Doom will become the way we know him mentally, maybe they will add the armour in the next film, we'll just have to wait and see.

Yes, I am aware that it's about the armor with Doom...

 

[Mr Sensitive]

Yeah, hope next one they'll get rid of that Fidel Castro's wardrobe of his.

 

[Vartha]

Well let's hope that they add the Armour in the next film. I mean look he was fused together by Johnny, maybe they'll work it out so that Doom needs the aroumor to move after that, who knows?

 

[Herr Logan]

Nice post Jean. And the point I highlighted above is the true crux of the matter. Unfortunately, some of these people can't wrap their heads around that concept...

Thanks for once again outing yourself as a hypocrite, lightning. You really don't have any credibility as an unbiased and respectable poster anymore, you know that. No amount of supposedly considering yourself one of the "fanboys" you so often insult will change that, and neither will your bull$hit answer to this post, which will undoubtedly carry the message that you don't care what I think and/or some half-assed excuse for why it's okay for you to support conformist sheep in their most most blatant insults. I'm disappointed more in myself for having allowed any doubt than I am of you in this instance.

 

[Herr Logan]

I can think of one- Absorbing Man in the Hulk. And we see where that went.

Yep. Right to Freud's couch.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Well let's hope that they add the Armour in the next film. I mean look he was fused together by Johnny, maybe they'll work it out so that Doom needs the aroumor to move after that, who knows?

They'll have wasted a whole movie explaining how he wouldn't need an armor. I doubt they'll make a 180 in the next one, approving they took the bad road.

"Hey, fans were right. Making him a metal man was a bad idea. Let's give him a body armor in the next one."

There is nearly no chances they will do that. It's Fox we are talking about, not some marvel writer who knows his stuff, and can admit when he's in the wrong. (though, even that is getting rare these days)

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Dude, for one I had that book when I was young too. I even went to the Joe Kubert School with Greg Hidebrant as a teacher and the Kubert boys, along with Jim Balent all in the same class as students!
The thing with Doom is that he wears ARMOUR. If you go back and look at Victor before Doom, he is NOT big like Cap or ANY of the other Superheros or Villans. Armour is very bulky, I work at a Renaissance Faire and SEE armour all the time it makes anyone LOOK big.
What makes Doom big is his Armour not muscles. This is still an ORIGIN movie, they left the end of the movie open to where Doom will become the way we know him mentally, maybe they will add the armour in the next film, we'll just have to wait and see.

*sigh*

You know what Vartha? It's been a damn year. And I think we are wasting our breath on these guys now.

Hunter, Jean, Willie, Cap, Kel, Joe, Red, and even other major Doom fans have all brought up these same points over and over and over again, to help these guys look at it from another angle and see extended possibilities and reasonings. But stubbornly, they are refusing to take into account any other variables here. And they have already chosen to write off a performance they have yet to see for themselves. It's their "way, or nothing at all."

So I say let 'em b1tch and cry bloody war until they are green in the face. You know it's not going to change after July 8th.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

*sigh*

You know what Vartha? It's been a damn year. And I think we are wasting our breath on these guys now.

Hunter, Jean, Willie, Cap, Kel, Joe, Red, and even other major Doom fans have all brought up these same points over and over and over again, to help these guys look at it from another angle and see extended possibilities and reasonings. But stubbornly, they are refusing to take into account any other variables here. And they have already chosen to write off a performance they have yet to see for themselves. It's their "way, or nothing at all."

So I say let 'em b1tch and cry bloody war until they are green in the face. You know it's not going to change after July 8th.

cough*foxplant*cough*

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

*sigh*

You know what Vartha? It's been a damn year. And I think we are wasting our breath on these guys now.

Hunter, Jean, Willie, Cap, Kel, Joe, Red, and even other major Doom fans have all brought up these same points over and over and over again, to help these guys look at it from another angle and see extended possibilities and reasonings. But stubbornly, they are refusing to take into account any other variables here. And they have already chosen to write off a performance they have yet to see for themselves. It's their "way, or nothing at all."

So I say let 'em b1tch and cry bloody war until they are green in the face. You know it's not going to change after July 8th.

I repeat:

"A year ago, we learned they would change his whole origin. Later on, we learned they changed his look and his powers. Not too long ago, reading the book and the scripts, we learned they changed his whole personality, and now we learn he is not scary, but rather fun."

How the hell can we NOT moan and ***** ??? Why should we be happy with THAT ?

My god, I can take changes (heck, I consider myself VERY open with adaptions), but how can SO MANY (to the extend of having nothing anymore like the original character, except for his name and color) be well accepted by us fans ???

You are asking for us to accept the biggest bastarization since CINO, and be more "open minded" ?

...

 

[Hunter Rider]

cough*foxplant*cough*

see thats just inciting and you know it,anyone could say you were a plant from WB trying to down F4 to help CATCF with all the negativity you spread,bottom line we should all rise above personal insults and provoking jabs of other posters

 

[Head>On<Collider]

see thats just inciting and you know it,anyone could say you were a plant from WB trying to down F4 to help CATCF with all the negativity you spread,bottom line we should all rise above personal insults and provoking jabs of other posters

So, why are to telling me this?, tell the one naming names and pointing fingers around here...

BTW, what the hell is CATCF?

 

[Herr Logan]

see thats just inciting and you know it,anyone could say you were a plant from WB trying to down F4 to help CATCF with all the negativity you spread,bottom line we should all rise above personal insults and provoking jabs of other posters

Sorry, Hunter, but Lightning really has that coming at this point. He's acting like a studio shill and he's insulting people who were criticizing a commercial product as if they had insulted him personally. Unacceptable.