Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[amazingfantasy15]

Well looks like he is done in Hollywood he surely broke some NDA by trashing the film like that.
That was extremely unprofessional and right on opening day too
Maybe movie studios should just go with the micheal bay type and stop risking it all on untested flash in the pan guys with hype.

I don't know about this, the director of Jurrassic World was untested and it seems to have worked out pretty well. Maybe Josh Trank just isn't a great filmmaker or he took on a project he had no idea working on. The biggest criticism I've been hearing is the only action comes shoehorned in at the end. Did the original cut have any action?

I know he's been mentioned a few times in this thread for his interview with Trank, but people always ask Kevin Smith, why won't he make a superhero movie and he always says it's because he doesn't like to write or direct action, he movie would just be the heroes talking while the action takes place offscreen. If you look at Chronicle the third act seems a bit shoehorned in and the action isn't all that great. Trank likes the discovery aspect of powers, it's evident in all his talk about "body horror" and Chronicle, but he doesn't seem to know what to do after that. He'd probably due a great job with a story like Unbreakable, where we leave off when the "superheroics" start.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

But it is HIS reputation as a director on the line with the film. You're only as good as your last film, and when someone else butchered that on you (which is far more unprofessional,) you're going to be damn pissed, and with every right.

Well, Taylor Kitsch is an actor (so, different situation but still), but everyone buried him after the John Carter - Battleship combo, saying he'd never work again and he bounced back and hasn't stopped working.

@amazingfantasy: Jurassic World is very good imo, but Spielberg was very involved with it, even coming up with shots, the visual style is very Spielbergian as well, it helps. Trevorrow had nice support.

 

[gdw]

Part 3 of his interview with Kevin Smith is up. Damn, he made it sound awesome.

Looking forward to hearing pt 4.

 

[gdw]

Well, Taylor Kitsch is an actor (so, different situation but still), but everyone buried him after the John Carter - Battleship combo, saying he'd never work again and he bounced back and hasn't stopped working.

@amazingfantasy: Jurassic World is very good imo, but Spielberg was very involved with it, even coming up with shots, the visual style is very Spielbergian as well, it helps. Trevorrow had nice support.

What has Kitsch been doing since? Honestly asking, haven't noticed him in anything.
Also, haven't seen either of those films, but I don't believe the blame was being lumped on him. The entire films were not considered "his" vision like films are for directors.

An actor in a flop is VERY different than the director of a flop.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, Taylor Kitsch is an actor (so, different situation but still), but everyone buried him after the John Carter - Battleship combo, saying he'd never work again and he bounced back and hasn't stopped working.

@amazingfantasy: Jurassic World is very good imo, but Spielberg was very involved with it, even coming up with shots, the visual style is very Spielbergian as well, it helps. Trevorrow had nice support.

No people did not say that he'd never work again, they said that it would be a long time before he was allowed to lead another big budget film and he still hasn't done that so we were right.

 

[The Whizzer]

What has Kitsch been doing since? Honestly asking, haven't noticed him in anything.
Also, haven't seen either of those films, but I don't believe the blame was being lumped on him. The entire films were not considered "his" vision like films are for directors.

An actor in a flop is VERY different than the director of a flop.

Michael Cimino, the director of Heaven's Gate, still got work after that movie literally bankrupted and destroyed the studio that paid for it.

There's no telling what will happen with Trank, but if Cimino still got work after being a disaster to work with, there's a chance that Trank may still have a future in film.

 

[Black Narcissus]

He talks about trying to make it right so no reshoots are needed. Heh

 

[TalismanRing]

That's what I've been saying, it's easy as an audience member to not realize what it is to have your "baby" taken from you and destroyed and then have your name linked to the movie.

1. It wasn't his baby, he was a Nanny for hire
2. He was abusive and the child was taken away from him

His behavior has been unprofessional for over a year, on and off set and this is just more of the same. No major or even mini studio will hire him (and the studios also own TV stations) and not because he made a bad movie - that happens. But because of his unprofessional behavior and he's just put an exclamation mark on it by tossing his studio, his bosses, his co-workers and his movie under the bus and crying "It' not my fault." Who would want to work with someone like that? He's going to be making micro Indies at best for a long time until or if he builds up his reputation.

 

[Orba]

When people talking about just letting Directors get on and make films without interference they should remember the Star Wars Prequels.

 

[TalismanRing]

No people did not say that he'd never work again, they said that it would be a long time before he was allowed to lead another big budget film and he still hasn't done that so we were right.

Yep, there's a reason he's not the one headlining Gambit.

 

[third3ye]

Trank has more or less ended his career with any of the major studios. Watch him struggle to find any large distributor for any of his future indie films. I guess the good thing about indie films is they often have smaller distributors, but he basically shouldn't expect most of America to watch his movies until he can prove himself with at least a couple good films at the festivals.

No studio will ever want to work with a director who badmouths their film like this the day it opens, talk about completely unprofessional. If Trank had half a brain and half his current ego, he'd have waited for the theatrical run to end before making those statements.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

What has Kitsch been doing since? Honestly asking, haven't noticed him in anything.
Also, haven't seen either of those films, but I don't believe the blame was being lumped on him. The entire films were not considered "his" vision like films are for directors.

An actor in a flop is VERY different than the director of a flop.

Lone Survivor, The Normal Heart, True Detective. And a lot of people did say he'd never work again, and others said the other thing.

And I've said (guys, I wonder if some people read sometimes) that these are two different things.

I don't think Trank is stupid in any way (once again, listen to Kev Smith podcast), he just has no filter and having no filter is a b***

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yep, there's a reason he's not the one headlining Gambit.

Exactly, Fox brought back Ryan Reynolds even but Kitsch will not be playing Gambit again. That's all you need to know.

 

[CTFFFan]

sometimes message boards are great for distractions from real life. Movies too. I have been on dialysis for almost two years and should be having a transplant some time this year. I love Marvel comics (more the history than the current) and it gives me something to read and talk about.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

sometimes message boards are great for distractions from real life. Movies too. I have been on dialysis for almost two years and should be having a transplant some time this year. I love Marvel comics (more the history than the current) and it gives me something to read and talk about.

I am so, so sorry about your predicament. I really and truly wish you well. Your situation hits really close to home right now...You kinda just pulled that out of me, I couldn't even admit that to someone whom I was private messaging last night.

 

[bell110]

I am utterly amazed by this guy. He makes one movie, is offered to directed TWO huge film properties, and manages to screw himself over. Freaking Star Wars! How many directors would fall over themselves trying to land a film like that? He must think of himself as the most brilliant, creative person in the room, everyone else can go take a hike, and he'll make it by pure artistry alone. He deserves what he gets.

 

[CTFFFan]

I am so, so sorry about your predicament. I really and truly wish you well. Your situation hits really close to home right now...You kinda just pulled that out of me, I couldn't even admit that to someone whom I was private messaging last night.

thanks, my cousin died of a heroin overdose in 2011. I read your post from earlier and my condolensces.

 

[TalismanRing]

Well, I can't summon up even snarky indignation about Trank right now. I just want to send out virtual hugs.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I think Tank would like my positive review of the film.

I swear i'm not being paid by Fox.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=31963879&postcount=68

 

[Tony Stark]

I feel for you guys and my thoughts and prayers are with you and your friend ISS. I have an older brother whose an alcoholic. He just turned 50 last year and he's been drinking for over 35 years. He's maybe had one year in all of that where he's been able to remain sober. Back when he was in his 20's my parents spent over 50K to get him alcohol rehabilitation, but it never did a bit of good. It's always hardest on the people around you, with substance abuse. But the reality is unless a person wants sobriety for themselves, they remain in addiction. There's still hope for my brother, but I know his health is deteriorating from his years of substance abuse. If he is ever able to get sober, he's going to have liver problems, and he's also been diagnosed as bi-polar, which is common among people with substance abuse issues.

 

[Snow Queen]

Well you can scratch ever seeing chronicle 2 ever being made. Guy is a total egomaniac, and just set his career on fire.

And a year ago, he didn't have jack ****. They were still shooting the film.

Wait, isn't this Chronicle 2?

Eh, Trank made a good movie to begin with. The guy from Boondock Saints got the rep on his screenplay alone and the film was meh. I think ya'll are exaggerating on Trank's future. I don't see him ever getting this type of budget again, but he will most definitely get up to bat again.

You're right, he made a complete disaster of a film and publicly trashed it on opening night...but he's not a female director, so he'll get a few dozen more chances.

 

[Webhead38]

Trank has more or less ended his career with any of the major studios. Watch him struggle to find any large distributor for any of his future indie films. I guess the good thing about indie films is they often have smaller distributors, but he basically shouldn't expect most of America to watch his movies until he can prove himself with at least a couple good films at the festivals.

No studio will ever want to work with a director who badmouths their film like this the day it opens, talk about completely unprofessional. If Trank had half a brain and half his current ego, he'd have waited for the theatrical run to end before making those statements.

You really nailed it. Having an opinion is one thing, but when you purposely go into social media to assist derail a movie that a major studio put big money behind with your name on it, that's professional suicide. Consider him blacklisted from Hollywood. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox didn't sue him for damages since there is no face-saving at this stage.

 

[Tony Stark]

You really nailed it. Having an opinion is one thing, but when you purposely go into social media to assist derail a movie that a major studio put big money behind with your name on it, that's professional suicide. Consider him blacklisted from Hollywood.

It's amazing. People are going to remember this for years to come, because as much as some have said some stupid things on twitter, I can't remember someone pulling a stunt like this. I'm not shocked considering how freaking arrogant he comes off, but at the same time I'm blown away by the stupidity of this.

 

[Tehmeh]

It seems like the quote with the David Fincher comparison from the original post has been debunked as bogus, but it's an interesting comparison to make. I read a set report from Alien 3 from back when the film was in production, and it sounded like a hellish experience, a half dozen Fox producers literally giving notes and rewriting the shooting script while scenes were being shot. And even in the interviews you can tell Fincher is seething, and it comes out at times ("This is an incredible opportunity for me. A fact of which I'm frequently reminded," was one great Fincher quote to come from the article), but he doesn't outright disown the film, he gets on with it like a professional. Also, while the end product is quite far removed from his original vision and not a patch on the two classic films that preceded it in the series, Fincher's direction still ensures it's actually a good film on its own merits and it has some degree of craft, quality, and creative vision behind it.

I've watched every bit of footage available on the production problems. It was the messiest mess that has ever messed from the beginning to end. And yes, Fincher may be a dick, and yes, that time I get every bit of frustration from him because the interventions were ridiculous - but he managed to make a movie. It wasn't what it could have been, but it was an intact movie nonetheless, and you can see his talent in the product.

I always say that some people can turn adversity into something beautiful, that some people even might need it, like George Lucas with Star Wars. Alien 3 wasn't beautiful, but it was good enough - and almost a miracle compared to what it should have been with all the problems in the production.

And it's easy to say now that "of course, it's Fincher after all", but it was his first movie. He could have burned many bridges and ruined a lot for himself and for the franchise too, but he came out of it as a winner. Not only because of his talent, but because of his maturity - despite his temper and the problems. I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I do think that if Twitter was around back then, he still wouldn't have made an ass of himself.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

How many times have we seen celebrities or whatnot get sloppy on Twitter? Some of these guys should be on a leash.

Joe Carnahan is awesome on Twitter, speaks his mind, but hey, he can afford to do so, he's one of the most awesome no BS directors I've seen, check out some of his interviews about the movie industry, it's worth it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUWMNrdzYkY (first part)

Max Landis went at length on the subject in several interviews of late, really cool stuff.