Infinity War "I Will Bathe The Starways In Your Blood!" The Thanos / Josh Brolin Thread

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The Cull Obsidian makes a lot of sense in a movie like this. Any time you have a team movie, you should have more than one person for them to fight. And very specific characters will be a change of pace from mindless drones the last two Avengers films.

I agree, I think it's a good decision to include them. Gives the heroes more than one threat to have to deal with, but not the mindless drone issue the previous movie had.
 
It doesn't make much sense though, given what we now know about Thor: Ragnarok.

Nothing revealed about Hela precludes that. She was imprisoned for a thousand years? Big whoop. Say Thanos is older than that. No big deal.
 
It doesn't make much sense though, given what we now know about Thor: Ragnarok.

Why is that though? I can't see anything that's been released about Ragnarok so far that would prevent Hela from being in IW.
 
Nothing revealed about Hela precludes that. She was imprisoned for a thousand years? Big whoop. Say Thanos is older than that. No big deal.

Considering comics Thanos is an immortal Titan he can definitely be, and most likely is over 1000 years old.
 
Why is that though? I can't see anything that's been released about Ragnarok so far that would prevent Hela from being in IW.

Exactly. There's still nothing to stop them from connecting Thanos and Hela. It's the smart move to make if you're not going to introduce the actual entity Death.
 
Nothing revealed about Hela precludes that. She was imprisoned for a thousand years? Big whoop. Say Thanos is older than that. No big deal.

Why is that though? I can't see anything that's been released about Ragnarok so far that would prevent Hela from being in IW.

Nothing technically precludes it, but if she's been locked away for hundreds of years why would Thanos be doing all of this for her? How would he even know about her? Why would she be involved in his plans at all?
 
Again, for whatever time she's been locked away, you can easily remedy by saying Thanos is older and their interactions happened previous to her being locked away.
 
Again, for whatever time she's been locked away, you can easily remedy by saying Thanos is older and their interactions happened previous to her being locked away.

You could, but if you intend for her to take the place of Death then why create this problem for yourself in the first place?
 
You could, but if you intend for her to take the place of Death then why create this problem for yourself in the first place?

Because it's not a problem. Several people have just pointed out all it requires is saying Thanos is older than a thousand years.
 
And he didn't think to get Loki to release her while he was his pawn? He just randomly set his plans for the stones in motion coincidently not long before she gets released by accident? I can see why people want it to happen, but I've seen nothing to suggest that it will, quite the contrary, if anything.
 
His plate was full at the time.

What with trying to acquire the Infinity Stones and essentially failing at every turn. Not to mention the time spent grooming Gamora and Nebula.
 
Trying, as in, sitting in his chair telling people to go and do stuff.
 
I've already posted this in the Hela thread but I thought I'd post it over here too, seeing as it's Thanos related as much as Hela related and is relevant to the current discussion. Someone I follow on tumblr posted this brilliant theory about how Hela could potentially be used in the Death role in the MCU. I personally think it's awesome and I'd love to see it play out like this:

If you notice, at no point during Thor: Ragnarok's marketing so far has Hela been described by Marvel or any of the actors as being the 'Asgardian' Goddess of Death, but rather as the Goddess of Death. So maybe it stands to reason that within the MCU, Hela doesn't just govern the dead of the Nine Realms, but rather the entire universe, which of course makes her quite a lot more powerful than 616 Hela.

If we go by this argument, it makes Hela just as powerful (or if not maybe more so) than Odin himself. So just maybe, within the MCU, Odin and Hela are actually opposites of each other, two sides of the same coin. Where Odin is the 'Sky Father' and the King of Asgard which has already been described in the MCU as being the 'protector' of the universe (in the first Thor movie I believe), Hela is the Queen of the Underworld and the ruler of the universe's dead. It would also mean that in the MCU, the realm of Hel is not just the realm of the Asgardian dead, but the realm of all of the dead. We have absolutely no evidence in the MCU to date that the other pantheons that exist in the comics universe (such as Hercules, Zeus and the Greek/Roman pantheon) also exist, so Hela being the Death Goddess of the entire universe doesn't really pose an issue. All this and how Hela eventually came to be imprisoned could be explained pretty easily in a short prologue to Thor: Ragnarok, which is where the Thor series has traditionally introduced the villain and the background to the main conflict in the movie.

So if we go by all that above, it could be argued that Thanos and Hela's first 'meeting' could indeed be very similar to his first encounter with Death in the original comics, which has never actually been fully explained. Thanos, being a nihilist and obsessed with the concept of death (just like his comics counterpart) falls madly in love with Hela, the goddess and ruler of the dead, and is willing do anything to capture her attention and her love and approval in return. Meanwhile, Hela has been causing chaos in the universe because she has been trying to fix the life/death balance which she feels has become off kilter and so begins an epic battle of control between her and Odin who eventually manages to defeat her by trapping her soul within the Soul Stone. Thanos hears of this and enraged wants to release his love from her prison, but knows he has to bide his time because he doesn't have a hope of defeating Odin and the entirety of Asgard without an army behind him.

And so begins Thanos' epic millenia long quest to gain power, build an army, release Hela from her prison (which he helps instigate during the events of Ragnarok because of Odin's sudden absence), gather the Infinity Stones and then prove his love and devotion to Hela by wiping out half the universe and 'correcting' the imbalance that she (and by extension he) feels exists.

Again, the connection and history between Thanos and Hela could easily be explained at some point in Ragnarok, seeing as many people believe that Thanos may have a brief appearance in that movie anyway. Then it's already established and they're good to go when Infinity War rolls around.

No one is actually saying this is what's going to happen but I like it because it makes a lot of sense, fits with what we know of Ragnarok so far and would neatly deal with the whole mass of exposition otherwise needed in IW. :woot:
 
Why does Hela have to be imprisoned? It's great fiction but Like I said in the Thor thread here, You KNOW there are doorways from Asgard to Svartalfheim and Asgard to Jotunheim, who's to say there aren't any from Asgard to Hel and everywhere else in the Yggdrasil universe only certain beings know about.
I can totally see Hela being the over all representation of death, and seen by each race visually different.
 
I've already posted this in the Hela thread but I thought I'd post it over here too, seeing as it's Thanos related as much as Hela related and is relevant to the current discussion. Someone I follow on tumblr posted this brilliant theory about how Hela could potentially be used in the Death role in the MCU. I personally think it's awesome and I'd love to see it play out like this:





No one is actually saying this is what's going to happen but I like it because it makes a lot of sense, fits with what we know of Ragnarok so far and would neatly deal with the whole mass of exposition otherwise needed in IW. :woot:

Don't see the Goddess of Death being imprisoned. I also think that title is simple marketing.

I think she honestly is just the big bad, and a character with ties to Loki and Odin.
 
Why does Hela have to be imprisoned? It's great fiction but Like I said in the Thor thread here, You KNOW there are doorways from Asgard to Svartalfheim and Asgard to Jotunheim, who's to say there aren't any from Asgard to Hel and everywhere else in the Yggdrasil universe only certain beings know about.
I can totally see Hela being the over all representation of death, and seen by each race visually different.

You make a good point. This entire time I have been wondering why the general consensus is that Hela has to have been locked away. It'd be easy enough to say that's been active all this time without muddling up anything.
 
Why does Hela have to be imprisoned?

Don't see the Goddess of Death being imprisoned.

:huh: That's canon, not something the poster made up. We know Hela has been imprisoned for 'millennia' from the EW article and a direct quote from Cate Blanchett. Loki's crappy governing leads to her 'accidentally' being released. How she became imprisoned in the first place, who did it and why isn't yet known. The part about her soul being trapped in the Soul Stone is the made up bit, pure theory on the writer's part as to how such a powerful goddess could successfully be contained.

I really don't think Hela being described as just the Goddess of Death, rather than the Asgardian Goddess of Death is marketing, I think that's indicating her larger role here. I may be completely wrong, but all signs just seem to be pointing in that direction for me, and clearly for others too.
 
Wasn't Loki always called the trickster God, not the 'Asgardian trickster God'? I wouldn't read too much into the wording.
 
Wasn't Loki always called the trickster God, not the 'Asgardian trickster God'? I wouldn't read too much into the wording.

As far as I'm aware, Loki has never actually been referred to as 'the Trickster God' or 'God of Mischief' in any of Marvel Studio's official promo releases. In the films themselves sure, but not outside of that. And then of course there's the whole 'We are not gods' line by Odin in TDW which has always been confusing.

The difference here is that Hela has been marketed from the get-go as being the 'Goddess of Death', that angle of the character is clearly being played up to the hilt. Again, I personally don't think it's a coincidence that the big bad of a movie that has been hailed as leading into IW in a big way is a gorgeous, female death goddess when one of Thanos' most defining traits is his obsession with death and especially a female personification of death. I may be wrong, but that's just my feeling.
 
I still don't think she's been completely been left imprisoned all this time


:huh: That's canon, not something the poster made up. We know Hela has been imprisoned for 'millennia' from the EW article and a direct quote from Cate Blanchett. Loki's crappy governing leads to her 'accidentally' being released. How she became imprisoned in the first place, who did it and why isn't yet known. The part about her soul being trapped in the Soul Stone is the made up bit, pure theory on the writer's part as to how such a powerful goddess could successfully be contained.

I really don't think Hela being described as just the Goddess of Death, rather than the Asgardian Goddess of Death is marketing, I think that's indicating her larger role here. I may be completely wrong, but all signs just seem to be pointing in that direction for me, and clearly for others too.
 
Wasn't Loki always called the trickster God, not the 'Asgardian trickster God'? I wouldn't read too much into the wording.

As far as I'm aware, Loki has never actually been referred to as 'the Trickster God' or 'God of Mischief' in any of Marvel Studio's official promo releases. In the films themselves sure, but not outside of that. And then of course there's the whole 'We are not gods' line by Odin in TDW which has always been confusing.

The difference here is that Hela has been marketed from the get-go as being the 'Goddess of Death', that angle of the character is clearly being played up to the hilt. Again, I personally don't think it's a coincidence that the big bad of a movie that has been hailed as leading into IW in a big way is a gorgeous, female death goddess when one of Thanos' most defining traits is his obsession with death and especially a female personification of death. I may be wrong, but that's just my feeling.
No he hasn't been actually called that, BUT it's been HEAVILY suggested by Thor, Sif and the Warriors Three in the MCU
 
I still don't think she's been completely been left imprisoned all this time

Neither do I. That goes double if they are shooting for making her the definitive Goddess of Death.
 
I still don't think she's been completely been left imprisoned all this time

Cate Blanchett's quote from the EW article:

"She’s been locked away for millennia, getting more and more cross, and then, with a mistake, she gets unleashed and she ain't getting back in that box."

Certainly sounds like it to me. :oldrazz:
 
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