I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[BobJM]

If we're getting the Court of Owls, Reeves is totally going to merge Hush with Lincoln March IMO.

Think of how Reeves switched out the Holiday Killer with the Riddler for The Batman, despite it pulling so much from The Long Halloween.

I think this is right on the money. And we’re definitely getting more history from his mother’s side.

Maybe instead of the labrinyth underneath the city like in the original story, Bruce is drugged & locked inside Arkham Asylum.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Because the DCU will most likely be a bit more.....weightless and akin to your usual shlocky CBM than something like The Batman, especially considering Freeze feels exactly like the kind of humanistic character Reeves would write the **** out of, and his equipment or a version of it would compliment the horror vibes very well. I find it a very fun creative exercise to try and come up with all sorts of ways to make Freeze work in our world.

I'll take a beautifully-written character with weight and a few little changes made over the Arkhamverse Freeze come to life any day of the week, at least right now. ESPEEEEEECIALLY ESPECIALLY if Muschietti's still attached.

When was Muschietti ever officially attached? Has James Gunn ever come out and said that Andy Muschietti is the director of Batman: Brave And The Bold?

I think we can all agree that there is a better chance of Reeves adapting his character better than the dcu can. Given what I saw in the flash, I see them doing something along the lines of batman and robin. Those batman scenes, imo, were horrendous that I thought I stepped back into the 90s. The real question is, would freeze even fit the narrative that Reeves is trying to tell in this saga. I don't know where you would put his character unless you introduce Gotham corp and tie it to that somehow.

With respect to the court of owls. I'll be honest, I never read the story because it didn't sound interesting to me and more of an after the fact trying to make things shocking. That said, with some adapting to screen it gives it some intrigue and for myself, I'm not tied to anything specific about them like other villains so it may make the story more interesting for myself.

He turned The Joker into a serial killer born with a skin condition. What is it about that that makes you think he would do Mr. Freeze justice?

The simple answer is I'd be more interested in Reeves' take on the character than just about anyone else's. Certainly more so than Andy Muschietti. What's "necessary" is irrelevant. We're talking about CBM's - none of it's "necessary." What matters is what's more interesting to see. And for me, that's 100% whatever Matt Reeves would do with the source material.

Again... when has it been confirmed that Andy Muschietti is directing DCU Batman? Was that ever a real thing or just internet bull**** that people took as fact?

Quite frankly, the more Reeves talks about his vision for Batman, the more convinced I am that characters like Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface, etc are not in his wheelhouse. Which is fine. There is no reason the DCU couldn't do Freeze justice. I don't need Matt Reeves take on the character. Elephant Man Joker is bad enough.

Because keeping the flashy big gun exactly as it appears in the panel is far less important to me than the image in my head of this tortured soul who found a way to turn all the pain and suffering he endures into something good, extending his hand with empathy and understanding to a desperate husband who just wants to save his wife.

I can live with the more extravergent aesthetic being put to the side if it means the core and soul of these characters can be done justice. Do I hope both can happen one day? Of course. But of the two I'd rather were focused on more, I'm taking the beating hearts of these broken people, who just don't want that to be their legacy and will go to extreme extents to right the biggest wrongs that happened in their lives, every single time.

Given that we are getting a DCU on film, why can't we have both of these things right now?

 

[flickchick85]

When was Muschietti ever officially attached? Has James Gunn ever come out and said that Andy Muschietti is the director of Batman: Brave And The Bold?



Again... when has it been confirmed that Andy Muschietti is directing DCU Batman? Was that ever a real thing or just internet bull**** that people took as fact?

Uhh…are you serious??? It was an official press release with a joint statement from Gunn and Safran and everything.

Andy Muschietti to direct Batman movie 'The Brave and The Bold'

'The Flash' filmmaker Andy Muschietti isn't dragging his heels: He's set to direct the Batman movie 'The Brave and the Bold.'

ew.com

In a joint statement provided to EW on Thursday, Gunn and Safran said, "We saw The Flash even before taking the reins at DC Studios, and we knew we were in the hands of not only a visionary director but a massive DC fan. It's a magnificent film — funny, emotional, thrilling — and Andy's affinity and passion for these characters and this world just resonates through every frame. So, when it came time to find a director for The Brave and the Bold, there was really only one choice. Luckily, Andy said yes; Barbara signed on to produce with us and we were on our way. They're an extraordinary team, and we couldn't have better or more inspiring partners as we embark on this thrilling new adventure in the DCU."

Obviously it can change and hopefully will but things don’t get more “official” than that in Hollywood.

 

[AndyTrevino]

He turned The Joker into a serial killer born with a skin condition. What is it about that that makes you think he would do Mr. Freeze justice?

Quite frankly, the more Reeves talks about his vision for Batman, the more convinced I am that characters like Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface, etc are not in his wheelhouse. Which is fine. There is no reason the DCU couldn't do Freeze justice. I don't need Matt Reeves take on the character. Elephant Man Joker is bad enough.

Well, for one thing he hasn't embraced the clown yet, so to speak. Reeves himself said as such, right now he's still just a serial killer who hasn't yet adopted his usual schtick we're all familiar with.

And quite frankly, you can only arguably alternate between chemical bath and face paint so many times before things get stale, ESPECIALLY considering we're on our third cinematic Joker within a decade. Gotta keep things fresh considering how many times he's been onscreen; Freeze, on the other hand hasn't been onscreen in over 20 years now.

The DCU could very well deliver a competent take on Freeze but the actual project will most likely to some extent be another cookie cutter CBM when compared to something with an actual creative vision, beautiful cinematography, and a production resembling an actual film like The Batman.

 

[C Prometheus]

I think this is right on the money. And we’re definitely getting more history from his mother’s side.

Maybe instead of the labrinyth underneath the city like in the original story, Bruce is drugged & locked inside Arkham Asylum.

I mean, maybe, but honestly I think it'd be a rather big mistake on Reeves' part to pick the Court of Owls for the base of the next film and not adapt the Labyrinth set piece. IMO that's one of the absolute best parts of the original comic and would be ripe for some stellar directing from Reeves and acting from Pattinson as Bruce slowly loses his mind in the maze. I honestly believe that if Reeves were to ever bring that sequence to live in this saga, it'd have massive potential to be one of the all-time best live action Batman scenes in film ever, right up there with the Joker interrogation scene from The Dark Knight.

Plus I think the Labyrinth offers some rather important world building and lore about the Court for Bruce to learn.

 

[DeadlyWest]

Given that we are getting a DCU on film, why can't we have both of these things right now?

Because it's unproven to share the same amount of heart that the Reevesverse has proven to have in one movie.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

 

[DeadlyWest]

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[Boom]

I want Strange.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

 

[Mindreaper21]

I love that TB2 is going to open up with Batman already on a case. Honestly, it could be a number of different things. Since, in the Penguin, we will be focused on Oz’s rise to power. What fascinates me is the fact that The Penguin ties directly into the film.

Let’s just say for now that the Court of Owls isn’t in the next film. I still believe that one of the next characters to show up is Hatter. I’ve said before that Hatter would be a great choice to handle Penguin’s drugs once Penguin becomes the kingpin. Though, you can also tackle human trafficking and serial killing with Hatter as well. His character has a lot more to offer to this detective story than many of the other Rogues. He’s a themed villain with a very different MO and henchmen that will provide much needed action scenes.

Then there’s Hush, of course. We already know that his father, Edward Eliot (if true), was on Sal’s payroll and was killed in what people assume was a hit by Thomas Wayne. There’s no telling at the moment how this affected Tommy and what could be his revenge plot. Now that Bruce is out in the public eye, this could not only challenge Bruce and the way the public views him, but it could also take him further down the rabbit hole of the murder of his parents. Possibly, The Penguin series will reveal what else Sal had going on besides the drops business and it could be tied into the film.

You also have the open DA slot. Since the focus is away from what’s going on in the city, Harvey could easily have taken the job and is at work. Although, Riddler killed the top corrupt players in the Renewal scheme, there could still be more players on the board that’s connected in some way. Harvey’s story could definitely be tied to the “deeper corruption” depending on how it’s played out. Harvey could also turn into Two-Face very early in the film. This would provide many twists on the legal aspects of the film and how it affects Gordon’s development as well.

As for Penguin, I expect him to play a role in the next film similar to Falcone. Not the main villain, but definitely the central villain that ties all of the stories together. It’s possible, now that Penguin is becoming the kingpin, we will see who the major hidden player of the entire saga is through his story by the end. Be it the Court of Owls, the Order of St. Dumas or some other organization.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

How hyped Barry always looks when he gets asked is adorable.

 

[Boom]

Yeah bro is involved. 100%.

Really want a movie set in Arkham. Maybe that's the corruption this movie deals with?

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

*SIGH*

 

[SwordOfMorning]

*SIGH*

Something we wanna share with the class..?

 

[Boom]

???

 

[C Prometheus]

I want Strange.

Same, but I'm doubtful we'll get him.

Yeah bro is involved. 100%.

Really want a movie set in Arkham. Maybe that's the corruption this movie deals with?

Looking at the fuller quote from Reeves, I really find it hard to be anything other than the Court of Owls.

Could be totally wrong, of course, but going back to the actual quotes from Reeves, he wants “these stories to be a meditation on the way Gotham is the way it is. It’s such a brutal place and we’re digging for the answers as to why these people’s lives are this way" and that the film is “going to dig into the epic story about deeper corruption, and it goes into places that he couldn’t anticipate in the first one. The seeds of where this goes are all in the first movie, and it expands in a way that will show you aspects of the character you never got to see.”

I just find it all difficult for all that to be pointing at a smaller scaled main story such as just the corruption inside Arkham Asylum, GothCorp or the like exploiting the intelligence and desperation of Victor Fries to save his wife or Thomas Elliot's personal corruption to get revenge on Bruce. Those aspects might be present or mixed into the script, but this all sounds to me like the Court.

 

[Johnny Frost]

If it really is the Court, genuinely curious how Penguin and Joker fit into all this

 

[Boom]

*SIGH*

Alrighty then.

 

[C Prometheus]

If it really is the Court, genuinely curious how Penguin and Joker fit into all this

If I had to wager a guess or two, my bet is that Penguin becomes at least somewhat aware of the Court by the end of his show after ascending to the throne as the new kingpin of Gotham, only to realize that there's another force behind the curtain that he will have to deal with and likely run things by moving forward.

As for Joker, I suspect that he'll probably continue to function as the film's Hannibal Lector analogue and be someone Bruce goes to for input on profiling this new threat. Bonus points if Joker manages to manipulate things this time around as a means of him escaping from Arkham Asylum Silence of the Lambs-style and being ready to do some bigger stuff out in the city in Part 3.

Again, I could totally be wrong about Reeves' comments meaning that we're getting the Court of Owls next. It's just... the specific words and framing he provides in that SFX Magazine interview about Part 2 really seems to point in that direction. "Deeper corruption" especially stands out to me, because in the context of what we saw of the systemic corruption in Gotham City in Part 1, there really isn't much deeper you can go past that aside from the Court of Owls or maybe the Black Glove. But all things considered, I don't see Reeves picking the Black Glove over the Court of Owls if he's doing a epic crime story about a secret Illuminati-like organization hidden right under Batman's nose the whole time.

 

[Johnny Frost]

If I had to wager a guess or two, my bet is that Penguin becomes at least somewhat aware of the Court by the end of his show after ascending to the throne as the new kingpin of Gotham, only to realize that there's another force behind the curtain that he will have to deal with and likely run things by moving forward.

As for Joker, I suspect that he'll probably continue to function as the film's Hannibal Lector analogue and be someone Bruce goes to for input on profiling this new threat. Bonus points if Joker manages to manipulate things this time around as a means of him escaping from Arkham Asylum Silence of the Lambs-style and being ready to do some bigger stuff out in the city in Part 3.

Again, I could totally be wrong about Reeves' comments meaning that we're getting the Court of Owls next. It's just... the specific words and framing he provides in that SFX Magazine interview about Part 2 really seems to point in that direction. "Deeper corruption" especially stands out to me, because in the context of what we saw of the systemic corruption in Gotham City in Part 1, there really isn't much deeper you can go past that aside from the Court of Owls or maybe the Black Glove. But all things considered, I don't see Reeves picking the Black Glove over the Court of Owls if he's doing a epic crime story about a secret Illuminati-like organization hidden right under Batman's nose the whole time.

In the comics, Penguin becomes a target of the Court, he will be quite powerful by the end of the series, would it make sense for them to see him as a threat, maybe they will try to kill him?

Very curious about this since Reeves likes to say how the end of the series will be remarkable and how some things will directly connect with the sequel and how Oz enters this world.

Yeah, Joker has to escape at some point, Revees has already teased that he will eventually assume his identity as the Clown Prince of Crime and The Joker, something big is waiting for him.

I'm with you, unless Reeves comes up with something totally original his quote sounds totally like the Court.

 

[AndyTrevino]

If it really is the Court, genuinely curious how Penguin and Joker fit into all this

As for Joker, I suspect that he'll probably continue to function as the film's Hannibal Lector analogue and be someone Bruce goes to for input on profiling this new threat. Bonus points if Joker manages to manipulate things this time around as a means of him escaping from Arkham Asylum Silence of the Lambs-style and being ready to do some bigger stuff out in the city in Part 3.

Another idea a friend of mine floated to me yesterday that I now can't stop thinking about: Batman in the labyrinth, or someplace else after he's expended a ton of energy, having feverish hallucinations/nightmares of Barry's Joker, very much like the Koba scenes in War and to an extent, Arkham Knight.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Another idea a friend of mine floated to me yesterday that I now can't stop thinking about: Batman in the labyrinth, or someplace else after he's expended a ton of energy, having feverish hallucinations/nightmares of Barry's Joker, very much like the Koba scenes in War and to an extent, Arkham Knight.

This is one of the reasons that I would love Scarecrow for this saga. There is so much untapped potential with surreal horrifying fear toxin sequences. Though, unless there’s a Scarecrow spin off, I’m a bit less optimistic that he will show up.

 

[TheGDBatman]

Legitimately can’t stop thinking about Pattinson in a labyrinth scene. He would crush it. This is quickly becoming a must have for me if the Court is involved in this movie.

 

[WayneMB]

Another idea a friend of mine floated to me yesterday that I now can't stop thinking about: Batman in the labyrinth, or someplace else after he's expended a ton of energy, having feverish hallucinations/nightmares of Barry's Joker, very much like the Koba scenes in War and to an extent, Arkham Knight.

oh my god