I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[donuts]

Mess.

Here's a better translation, not done with AI:

Andy Muschietti: As everyone knows, the Batman featured in The Brave and the Bold will belong to the new DC universe. It’s quite obvious that Matt Reeves’ Batman is not part of this new universe. However, DC and Warner Bros. are moving forward with the second part of Reeves’ Batman series, which, as widely reported, is expected to release around 2027.

This means the next Batman movie will take some time before it sees the light of day. Releasing two Batman films simultaneously would be counterproductive. What DC is doing is creating a strategy to ensure these two films don’t conflict with each other.

Regarding my involvement in the project, there are good intentions for now. They want to do the movie with me, and I want to do it as well. I’m eager to work on the film.

 

[Frodo]

I tend to put much more stock in recent Matt Reeves statements with regards to Battinson's future ,than Muschietti's statements .

While Reeves didn't give a definitive statement on the matter , I doubt it's as clear cut as Muschietti's making it out to be, and I doubt he has a say in it one way or another anyway.

 

[donuts]

I think you're all reading too much into Matt Reeves' statements.

 

[solidsnake86]

I think you're all reading too much into Matt Reeves' statements.

I view it this way, until the brave and the bold is actually filming. Anything is possible. Even then, they scrapped Batgirl and WBD may go through another merger or acquisition before that film even moves forward (assuming it debuts after the Batman).

It's hard to deny that this whole "elseworlds" idea hasn't been looked at again with the decline in box office for comic book movies and the Joker 2 disaster.

In this interview, I honestly think it was a rare slip up by Reeves, so I disagree with your assessment. But you could be right.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Reeves and Gunn are actively working together on:

- The Batman: Part II
- Batman: Caped Crusader ~ Season 2
- Dynamic Duo
- Clayface
- A potential season 2 of The Penguin.
- Other possible TV spin-offs.

Not to mention the now scrapped Arkham Asylum series.

Muschietti is in pre-production on IT: Welcome to Derry, is talking about moving on to a new project and has hinted at simple discussions on tone with a Batman movie that isn't even greenlit yet.

I don't know... I think Reeves has his finger on the pulse more here.

 

[flickchick85]

I think it’s pretty obvious that a lot of decisions haven’t been made yet about BatB because it’s nowhere close to happening at this time, so trying to figure out what the “truth” is, is futile.

 

[emielaen]

With Reeves recent statement, don't you guys think he's still working in the script to fit in the DCU? Besides his personal issues? I don't know, his answer was very vague imo. Anything could happen now, I think. We've seen weirder things.

Not at all. He’s said for a long time that the film picks up right after Penguin. I don’t see him altering the timeline/trajectory he’s created. He’s focusing on his story. That’s all he’s said himself. I said it somewhere else, but he’s finishing the script he’s been writing for a while, not starting it from scratch. He’s not upending what they’ve already laid out.

Any possible merging won’t happen for years, and I don’t see it happening at all.

Edit: all three creatives linked to the situation have practically said they’re separate but it’s a mess because…? Are we just looking for drama or what? lol Reeves’ work is Reeves’ work. DCU Batman will happen when it happens, years from now. We’ll likely get Part II and another spin- off before DCU Batman appears.

 

[ENCK]

Not at all. He’s said for a long time that the film picks up right after Penguin. I don’t see him altering the timeline/trajectory he’s created. He’s focusing on his story. That’s all he’s said himself. I said it somewhere else, but he’s finishing the script he’s been writing for a while, not starting it from scratch. He’s not upending what they’ve already laid out.

Any possible merging won’t happen for years, and I don’t see it happening at all.

Edit: all three creatives linked to the situation have practically said they’re separate but it’s a mess because…? Are we just looking for drama or what? lol Reeves’ work is Reeves’ work. DCU Batman will happen when it happens, years from now. We’ll likely get Part II and another spin- off before DCU Batman appears.

agreed...

And Muschetti is done with IT (Welcome to Derry) as it is in post-production... so he could begin with Batman film if he wanted and was authorized. I just don't see a merger of Battison happening with Gunn's universe. It was talked about with Bale when Snyder went on to do Man-of-Steel, but Reeves has said he is keeping his world grounded. Gunn's world is not grounded, and I can't see it happening. I also don't think Pattison would want to do it but money talks...

 

[Rick190293]

Not at all. He’s said for a long time that the film picks up right after Penguin. I don’t see him altering the timeline/trajectory he’s created. He’s focusing on his story. That’s all he’s said himself. I said it somewhere else, but he’s finishing the script he’s been writing for a while, not starting it from scratch. He’s not upending what they’ve already laid out.

Any possible merging won’t happen for years, and I don’t see it happening at all.

Edit: all three creatives linked to the situation have practically said they’re separate but it’s a mess because…? Are we just looking for drama or what? lol Reeves’ work is Reeves’ work. DCU Batman will happen when it happens, years from now. We’ll likely get Part II and another spin- off before DCU Batman appears.

With the delay of the movie I don't think the merge is out of question at all. I know, it's because his personal issues, but maybe the DCU factor played some role too.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Mindreaper21]

It’s all fun and games until you take a hot honey sriracha grenade to the face.

 

[Frodo]

I view it this way, until the brave and the bold is actually filming. Anything is possible. Even then, they scrapped Batgirl and WBD may go through another merger or acquisition before that film even moves forward (assuming it debuts after the Batman).

It's hard to deny that this whole "elseworlds" idea hasn't been looked at again with the decline in box office for comic book movies and the Joker 2 disaster.

In this interview, I honestly think it was a rare slip up by Reeves, so I disagree with your assessment. But you could be right.

Reeves and Gunn are actively working together on:

- The Batman: Part II
- Batman: Caped Crusader ~ Season 2
- Dynamic Duo
- Clayface
- A potential season 2 of The Penguin.
- Other possible TV spin-offs.

Not to mention the now scrapped Arkham Asylum series.

Muschietti is in pre-production on IT: Welcome to Derry, is talking about moving on to a new project and has hinted at simple discussions on tone with a Batman movie that isn't even greenlit yet.

I don't know... I think Reeves has his finger on the pulse more here.

I agree with both posts .

A week ago, I was in the, " there's no chance Battinson is in the DCU" camp .

Now, I'm not so certain that a merging is off the table .

Plans change in Hollywood .
It's showbiz.

While I think Reeves would prefer that The Batman is it's own thing , totally separate and apart from The DCU, I think Reeves isn't throwing down any gauntlets , the way Nolan did .

While I agree with Reeves intentions of keeping things separate, I can believe that , ultimately, Gunn may decide to incorporate Battinson in the DCU and Reeves won't fight it .

At the end of the day , Gunn may decide to stick to the idea of having a separate DCU Batman , but at this point, I think several options are on the table.

 

[donuts]

The DCU is doomed. Scrap everything.

 

[TheScarecrow]

An amalgamation of current rumours/discussions which also fits all of these conflicting statements is:

• Pattinson wants to be the DCU Batman, and Batman going forward - for obvious career reasons;
• Gunn is open to Pattinson being the DCU Batman;
• Reeves' preference is to keep his world separate;
• Reeves and Gunn are getting along very well, to the point where Reeves now has a hand in shaping the DCU; and
• No one - not Reeves, Gunn, Pattinson, Zaslav or any other executive thinks it is wise to have competing on-screen Batmen.

In that context, it's not hard to see how things may be shifting and how Reeves may be more open to Battinson being integrated into the DCU if he could have his cake and eat it too. Pattinson is already playing the role well below his own age. If Reeves keeps to his idea of making a trilogy within a short timeframe, then he can finish his story before an older Battinson ever has to meet Dr. Phosphrous.

I think also seeing the range of tones of films in the DCU may be getting Reeves as well - it's a lot less risky to integrate your project if you still have creative freedom.

I say watch this space and see how Superman does...

 

[BatLobster]

There’s also the aspect that all the filmmakers could be giving somewhat political answers. Muschietti was hired to make a DCU Batman movie, and presumably really wants to make a Batman movie. So he clearly has a vested interest in Reeves’ Batman staying separate.

I also just think that the more Reeves builds out his Batverse, the more his Batman will feel like the “main” Batman and the bigger a lift it’s going to be to get audience buy-in on a second Batman. The optics of two Batmen- ”Yeah, so that other critically acclaimed Batman over there is too good for our wacky superhero universe.” The optics of merging is them is “We are a strong and diverse brand that can embrace multiple strong creative visions under one umbrella.”

Now as far as how it would work out if they actually did it, I have no idea. I will say, tonally and aesthetically, merging a darker take on Batman with Superman and the wider DCU in a movie is still always going to be a very tricky task. I still don't think it's been done totally successfully. But it’s still an interesting idea to ponder.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Matt Reeves Batman universe moves the needle so much that Gunn is cool with pushing back his DCU Batman movie to probably 2029. lol

“Now, that's power you can't buy! That's the power of fear".

 

[donuts]

• Pattinson wants to be the DCU Batman, and Batman going forward - for obvious career reasons;
• Gunn is open to Pattinson being the DCU Batman;
• Reeves' preference is to keep his world separate;
• Reeves and Gunn are getting along very well, to the point where Reeves now has a hand in shaping the DCU; and
• No one - not Reeves, Gunn, Pattinson, Zaslav or any other executive thinks it is wise to have competing on-screen Batmen.

All of these are just assumptions for now.

 

[Boom]

Yooo when's the forum getting fixed.

 

[Kane52630]

Yooo when's the forum getting fixed.

It's your fault brah.

 

[solidsnake86]

There’s also the aspect that all the filmmakers could be giving somewhat political answers. Muschietti was hired to make a DCU Batman movie, and presumably really wants to make a Batman movie. So he clearly has a vested interest in Reeves’ Batman staying separate.

I also just think that the more Reeves builds out his Batverse, the more his Batman will feel like the “main” Batman and the bigger a lift it’s going to be to get audience buy-in on a second Batman. The optics of two Batmen- ”Yeah, so that other critically acclaimed Batman over there is too good for our wacky superhero universe.” The optics of merging is them is “We are a strong and diverse brand that can embrace multiple strong creative visions under one umbrella.”

Now as far as how it would work out if they actually did it, I have no idea. I will say, tonally and aesthetically, merging a darker take on Batman with Superman and the wider DCU in a movie is still always going to be a very tricky task. I still don't think it's been done totally successfully. But it’s still an interesting idea to ponder.

Very well said and I think Reeves Batman universe being built out, not to mention successful, creates the problem. You spend a lot of marketing dollars for people to buy into a franchise, all to say, here is a second batman you should also like. What happens if BATB fails spectacularly, what do you do then.

I also think WB is in the position that it has already gone down that road. People didn't love Cavill and people didn't love Ben Affleck. Now before anyone says anything to dispute this, the proof is in the diminishing returns of the box office.

In any event, I think the take away here is that the BATB will likely not come out before the batman part 2 and that's something I'm happy about.

 

[TheGDBatman]

Yooo when's the forum getting fixed.

I was just going to ask what was going on. This is breaking my brain.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yooo when's the forum getting fixed.

Post in thread 'New Layout Feedback'

Jan 9, 2025

Lots of things are functionally broken right now with the move to a new Xenforo version I don't think I can help much at the moment. Just stuck waiting.

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[ENCK]

So.............................................................Azreal for the villian in BATMAN 2? ........Perhaps working for the court of owls? Bruce has to face his own "Grey" areas of the mind? ...I know it won't happen, but to be honest with the whole deeper corruption aspect, HUSH, BLACK MASK, HUGO STRANGE, a lot of them fit that profile...Unless it is MR. FREEZE. I can read between the vague lines on Matt's statements...It continues the story but goes down another path...

 

[Boom]

Blackfire + Azrael.

 

[ENCK]

Blackfire + Azrael.

That would be surprising...especially the whole religious aspect affecting Bruce/bats mentality... so yeah that would be a surprise.